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Topic: Chiron/Planet::: the bleeding doesn't stop
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venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1668 From: the baseball hall of fame Registered: Nov 2014
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posted May 16, 2016 12:45 AM
Ok, reading a few Chiron threads and got my mind on Chiron. I was thinking about my Chironic relationships and the clear lessons in them (even those that are still being learned years after the relationship has ended are clear). I kind of saw the aspects (lines) of these relationships in my head Moon opposite Chiron, Venus square Chiron, Venus trine Chiron..etc... The lines between these aspects are almost like the paths to healing...but the conjunction... What is that? Does healing actually ever come, or is it a wound that never heels? And I don't mean "the wound that never heals" in a dramatic sense. I mean the conjunction of Chiron to a planet feels like what is True (and possibly a mirror) of the planet in that sign - the truth of what 'is' (in a pure sense, and not in a sick in need if a lesson or healing kind of way), and the pain that comes with what 'is'. I don't see any of the evolution we're often willing to suffer for here, only acknowledgement of our own fragility. What are your experiences with Chiron conjunct... What do you think? IP: Logged |
athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 6061 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted May 16, 2016 12:51 AM
I have experience with Chiron conjunct Venus exact in synastry. Worse pain I have ever felt from the opposite sex. The truth is it never goes away unless both parties are evolved into the light. All you can do is honor the pain thank it for its lessons and move on. IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1668 From: the baseball hall of fame Registered: Nov 2014
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posted May 16, 2016 01:17 AM
quote: Originally posted by athenegoddess: honor the pain
Yeah. Here is pure undeniable vulnerability. You can't look back and say it didn't happen, because it's still happening..even if you've truly moved on...because it is more about self than anything else. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 25859 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 16, 2016 02:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: only acknowledgement of our own fragility.
That to me is what chiron is about .this acceptance and embracing of what is. And while it's easily said , it takes guts to actually Do that . Embrace and accept that your Most vulnerable sides are laid bare by and to the planet IP: Logged |
Selenite Knowflake Posts: 1126 From: Lyra Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 16, 2016 11:49 AM
Chiron conjunct Moon exact.. so much pain. I will be back to elaborate.IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8605 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 16, 2016 12:46 PM
I hate this but most guys around my dating age group have their Chiron on my DC, Jupiter, Vertex or Chiron...in my 7th somewhere. Im not sure what they feel but i do seem bring out fears in guys and i dont do anything, its like the more i love them the more scared they get and the more they act out until i leave. Then they totally freak out, some do seek counseling and get better and try to come back, one committed suicide...his Chiron was on my Vertex, opposed my Venus and his Uranus/Moon. His AC was on my DC exact. His entire house system sat on my house system. The entire relationship was too painful to even discuss. Just one massive disaster after another all brought on by his lies, his fears and his insecurities. I wasn't the only problem he was having, i was just one of many. 3 important relationships with exact Chiron on my DC...the relationship seems to bring out their vulnerabilites and then they act on them. Im left trying to handle the chaos. Chiron on Jupiter....not as bad, im still working with this one. IP: Logged |
ail221 Moderator Posts: 6824 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted May 16, 2016 01:46 PM
Probably one of the most painful relationships I ever had. Then again it was a double whammy Chiron/Venus conjunction Chiron/Venus squareLessons were probably love myself more than anything else.
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yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 2425 From: intimate sky dot net Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 16, 2016 02:29 PM
Presently my partner's progressed Venus is applying to conjunct my natal Chiron (within 1 degree) and separating from the conjunction to my progressed Chiron (for my chiron is retrograde). Feeling the pain for sure. And the vulnerability. And the love... Trying to stay with it. As Ceri says, easier said than done... very very intense and challenging to be so exposed and have nowhere to run. IP: Logged |
Kitsune Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Toronto, ON Registered: Mar 2015
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posted May 16, 2016 02:45 PM
I have chiron conjunct my sun in the 10th (0-3 degrees cancer) opposite a conjunction of saturn and uranus (28 degrees sagittarius) in the 4th house. Let me tell you, this isn't easy. I've had issues with my family upbringing my entire life and I've made a clean break to live far far away. It feels like there is a constant push-pull between knowing and relating to my family and also being myself and true to who I need to be. Family seems to suffocate my dreams. This last week my older brother took his life. I thought about going home but I also realized I am just starting to get where I need to be and in a happy environment. Still feeling quite melancholy and ill at ease for the time being though. This is a complicated conjunction for me with the opposition involved.
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Marandana Knowflake Posts: 279 From: Earth. Registered: Dec 2013
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posted May 16, 2016 03:06 PM
How about chiron conjuct jupiter? or chiron trine pluto? I'm doing my online research but there's not much info about this chiron's placements :/IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 17757 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 16, 2016 07:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlizSykHB6w Hi v2t Had to add the song I haven't had this in synastry, but our composite Chiron is tightly conjunct my moon in Pisces. Honestly too raw a nerve to discuss at the moment. Wishing you well IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8605 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 16, 2016 08:15 PM
((Kitsune)) Big hugs💙IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 2098 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 16, 2016 08:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by athenegoddess: I have experience with Chiron conjunct Venus exact in synastry. Worse pain I have ever felt from the opposite sex. The truth is it never goes away unless both parties are evolved into the light. All you can do is honor the pain thank it for its lessons and move on.
quote: Originally posted by ail221: Probably one of the most painful relationships I ever had. Then again it was a double whammy Chiron/Venus conjunction Chiron/Venus squareLessons were probably love myself more than anything else.
I second this. My most painful relationship involved a Venus/Chiron conjunction in addition to a Chiron/Ascendant conjunction. The pain went on for a long time, going undercover as I immersed myself in other life ventures, only to erupt unexpectedly when I ran into him years later. But nothing lasts forever, including Chiron's bleeding. I am over it now. I hope... IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 17757 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 16, 2016 08:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: ((Kitsune)) Big hugs💙
Oh my gosh I didn't read the whole thread! Hugs from me, too... IP: Logged |
angel4845 Knowflake Posts: 2565 From: USA Registered: Oct 2014
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posted May 17, 2016 11:45 AM
I feel chiron is the one that gets hurt not the personal planet anyone agree?My best friends moon opposes my saturn conjunct my chiron in the 11th house. She has hurt me to some degree and I don't feel she is hurt by me in any way. Her sun and Mars also squares my saturn/chiron but we have been best friends for 15 years i have a karmic friendship with her and I feel we have come to her life to heal her but it hurts me because I feel she does not want to heal me or support me but maybe I just expect too much from her. My mothers venus and Mars conjunct my chiron and it's the same thing I feel hurt by her the most. My fathers vertex conjunct my Chiron and he seems to feel my pain. ------------------ Addicted to Self Relfection - Jupiter R in the 12th House IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 2098 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 17, 2016 11:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by angel4845: I feel chiron is the one that gets hurt not the personal planet anyone agree?
hmm, not sure I agree. plenty of people here have talked about how they got hurt and they were the personal planet. Just one example thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/002875.html IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1668 From: the baseball hall of fame Registered: Nov 2014
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posted May 18, 2016 12:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: I hate this but most guys around my dating age group have their Chiron on my DC, Jupiter, Vertex or Chiron...in my 7th somewhere. Im not sure what they feel but i do seem bring out fears in guys and i dont do anything, its like the more i love them the more scared they get and the more they act out until i leave. Then they totally freak out, some do seek counseling and get better and try to come back, one committed suicide...his Chiron was on my Vertex, opposed my Venus and his Uranus/Moon. His AC was on my DC exact. His entire house system sat on my house system. The entire relationship was too painful to even discuss. Just one massive disaster after another all brought on by his lies, his fears and his insecurities. I wasn't the only problem he was having, i was just one of many. 3 important relationships with exact Chiron on my DC...the relationship seems to bring out their vulnerabilites and then they act on them. Im left trying to handle the chaos. Chiron on Jupiter....not as bad, im still working with this one.
Hey Gabby! I've been wondering about you. Nice to see you 😊 Is there a lesson in this for you, do you think?
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venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1668 From: the baseball hall of fame Registered: Nov 2014
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posted May 18, 2016 12:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by ail221: Probably one of the most painful relationships I ever had. Then again it was a double whammy Chiron/Venus conjunction Chiron/Venus squareLessons were probably love myself more than anything else.
I believe you ail. I've had Venus square Chiron in synastry. There is brutality in that one. The conjunction, I have never had. I am thinking of something that runs deep. Deep isn't the word. I'm an idiot. I almost wish I could experience the pain of the conjunction so I could conjure it up in my memories... I'm thinking it must be very spiritual. Venus seems like a fluff planet lol. Her transits let you know just how hard core she is about revealing the universe's truths good and bad. Anyway..😊
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venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1668 From: the baseball hall of fame Registered: Nov 2014
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posted May 18, 2016 12:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by yungang_grotto: Presently my partner's progressed Venus is applying to conjunct my natal Chiron (within 1 degree) and separating from the conjunction to my progressed Chiron (for my chiron is retrograde). Feeling the pain for sure. And the vulnerability. And the love... Trying to stay with it. As Ceri says, easier said than done... very very intense and challenging to be so exposed and have nowhere to run.
Hey there yungang_grotto. Have you looked at his natal aspects to Venus (of course you have) and also the other aspects your planets make to his Venus? In our synastry, his Venus is square my Chiron. Natally his Venus is square Saturn. The problems represented in the Venus Chiron square are reflective of his natal Venusian struggles. Keep your determination to see through whatever is meaningful to you in this life. Good luck! IP: Logged |
angel4845 Knowflake Posts: 2565 From: USA Registered: Oct 2014
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posted May 18, 2016 12:56 AM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: [QUOTE]Originally posted by angel4845: [b]I feel chiron is the one that gets hurt not the personal planet anyone agree?
hmm, not sure I agree. plenty of people here have talked about how they got hurt and they were the personal planet. Just one example thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/002875.html [/B][/QUOTE] Yeah I already read that thread and I don't agree. If you've read the story of chiron it makes that chiron would be the one hurting because it's OUR CHIRON THATS BEING ACTIVATED in synastry. Chiron is where we are wounded and when someone comes in and makes CONTACT to our wound that part of us ACTIVATES, we may not act out the wounding to the individual we may project that onto the other person, everyone expresses there own wounding differently and some people just are indenial of it and would rather hurt the other person before chiron gets wounded because chiron is a sensitive part in us. Some people choose to be aware of it and some don't, that's why it's hard to really tell who gets hurt here when chiron is involved and astrologically and mythologically its logical and it is chiron that originally is hurting and as the wounded healer. But it depends on the natal chart the sign and house chiron sits in and take into account of OTHER NEGATIVE ASTEROIDS THAT CAN PLAY ROLE AS WELL. ------------------ Addicted to Self Relfection - Jupiter R in the 12th House IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1668 From: the baseball hall of fame Registered: Nov 2014
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posted May 18, 2016 01:10 AM
quote: Originally posted by Kitsune: I have chiron conjunct my sun in the 10th (0-3 degrees cancer) opposite a conjunction of saturn and uranus (28 degrees sagittarius) in the 4th house. Let me tell you, this isn't easy. I've had issues with my family upbringing my entire life and I've made a clean break to live far far away. It feels like there is a constant push-pull between knowing and relating to my family and also being myself and true to who I need to be. Family seems to suffocate my dreams. This last week my older brother took his life. I thought about going home but I also realized I am just starting to get where I need to be and in a happy environment. Still feeling quite melancholy and ill at ease for the time being though. This is a complicated conjunction for me with the opposition involved.
I understand about you not going home Kitsune. Don't worry. Going to your old home or staying at your new home will not do anything to change the good and bad you and your brother shared. Alcoholism is a problem in my mother's family. When her mother and brother died I stayed away from the funerals. I kind of jokingly invited them to come visit me. Come join me watch the sun set. It's a heck of a lot better than watching drunks cry over you. It will get better, and with that Sun conjunct Chiron in 10, after you've healed and rested, you'll feel so fulfilled if you find a way to share what you've learned with others. You won't know what exactly it is that you know until the moment arises, so just get yourself out there physically helping others and then the opportunity will come for you to really share your treasures that are buried deep down. This process is also a way of discovering them for yourself. I have Moon Chiron in 10. IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1668 From: the baseball hall of fame Registered: Nov 2014
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posted May 18, 2016 01:28 AM
quote: Originally posted by Marandana: How about chiron conjuct jupiter? or chiron trine pluto? I'm doing my online research but there's not much info about this chiron's placements :/
Oh yeah, those are going to be hard ones to find online. What are the houses and signs for Jupiter Chiron? I can't even think about Pluto Chiron- lol. IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1668 From: the baseball hall of fame Registered: Nov 2014
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posted May 18, 2016 01:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlizSykHB6w Hi v2t Had to add the song
Mars-Mars synastry in an air sign means you can read each others thoughts. Write that down. quote:
I haven't had this in synastry, but our composite Chiron is tightly conjunct my moon in Pisces. Honestly too raw a nerve to discuss at the moment. Wishing you well
I hear you Faith. When things get better and easier please share with us everything you've learned about the composite Chiron. Here's a video to cheer you up. Not that funny or exciting. Just my baby chicks chirping. baby chick, that is so racist! LOL IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1668 From: the baseball hall of fame Registered: Nov 2014
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posted May 18, 2016 01:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: But nothing lasts forever, including Chiron's bleeding. I am over it now. I hope...
Your last sentence. Lol. I was with you up until then.
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 17757 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 18, 2016 07:40 AM
You knew I'd post the song? Cute chicks! So funny... As always, I'm loving your insights here. Moon-Chiron in Pisces...generally speaking the relationship has fractures over spirituality, hospitality, service...and that is especially bad for me, because I am all about those very things. Also composite Chiron in Pisces suffers from illusions, lack of clarity and direction, lack of empathy in some ways. Worsening the lack of clarity I'm already prone to. Causing me to lose empathy. Etcetera..... On the positive side...well I'm just not in the mood to think about that today. LOL Gotta listen to bleeding love again cuz every time I see your title...
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