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Selene
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posted May 19, 2016 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do understand that we need to see 5th, 7th and 8th houses for starters. Taking into account both planets we put in partners houses, house rulers and symbolism.

Maybe you could help me sort out this one. We are together and we are very much attracted to each other in all the ways. We have spoken about that and we both see each other as a perfect match (including physical, emotional, spiritual affinity). But there is not so much in the charts.

So:

My 5th house: Capricorn with Saturn in there. Saturn in Capricorn.

He puts his Sun in my 5th (in Aqua), he has Venus, Neptune, Saturn, Uranus in Capricorn (in my 4th). His Moon opposes my Saturn and Venus very widely conjuncts it. I guess that there is a connection to my 5th.

His 5th house in Libra, Pluto in 5th.
My Sun in his 5th house, Libra. Also my Venus and Mercury in Libra, but in 4th house. My Neptune (7HR) conjuncts his Venus (5HR) exactly, and there is a bunch of other aspects as well - a very wide conjunction with my 5HR Saturn, a close square to my Venus and Mercury, wide (2 degrees) quincunx to my Mars, a quincunx to my Moon. I guess, i match his 5th house as well.


My 7th house in Pisces, no planets in there
He is not very Piscean. His Moon, though, is in Cancer in his 12th house. Also he has a Venus-Neptune conjunction (which my Neptune conjoins with an exact degree to his Venus. His own conjunction is wider).

So i am not sure if he matches my 7th house. I feel it does (based on my real feelings i have for him, i see him as a long-term material and i have never been as much in love with anyone as i am with him <3)

His 7th house is in Capricorn, with Sun in his 7th (in Aqua)

I don't put any planets here - except for my Saturn (5HR) conjunct his DSC exactly. Also i don't really aspect his Saturn (apart from a wide square to my Mercury - 5 degrees and a 1 degree conjunction to my Uranus). But i do have an exact Sun - Saturn square in my chart, so that DOES make me Saturnian, i guess. Saturn also squares my Venus. And my own 5th house is in Capricorn with Saturn in it... Would it be enough??

My 8th house in Aries, no planets there
He doesn't really match my 8th house astrologically, but the intimacy level we share is so deep i could drown in it. My 8H ruler is Mars which sits in my 10th house - so maybe i would be attracted to Capricorn qualities in him? His Mercury trines my Mars and my Venus, making a grand trine. Don't know if that can do it.

His 8th is in Aqua, and Mercury in it

I have no planets in Aqua, aside from a north node, which conjuncts his Sun in his 7th.

But - does the fact that he has Mercury is in his 8th house, make Virgo and Gemini attractive to him in the sense of the symbolism of his 8th house? If so, my Mars in Gemini could do, so could my ASC in Virgo...

Also - if his Mercury is an element of his 8th house, would aspects from my planets to his Mercury also trigger his 8th house feelings? Like - his Mercury opposes my Moon, trines my Mercury, Venus, Mars (making a grand trine).

Given all that, i do not rely on astrology in my relationship with him, because at this point i am so happy and content with my relationship and all that fairy-tale romance we have, that i can't even believe in my luck that i have met such a man. Must be that Neptune-Venus conjunction which gives me those rose colored glasses, haha.


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yungang_grotto
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posted May 19, 2016 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"My 7th house in Pisces, no planets in there
He is not very Piscean. His Moon, though, is in Cancer in his 12th house. Also he has a Venus-Neptune conjunction (which my Neptune conjoins with an exact degree to his Venus. His own conjunction is wider).

So i am not sure if he matches my 7th house. I feel it does (based on my real feelings i have for him, i see him as a long-term material and i have never been as much in love with anyone as i am with him <3)"

Yes he fits your 7th house profile for all of these reasons, especially given your 7th house ruler is conjunct his Venus/Neptune!

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posted May 19, 2016 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahem... what do you mean 'not so much in the charts'? Silly billy. Your NN in Aqua conjunct his Sun in his 7th? Your Suns in one another's 5th house?

And yes I think you're right about your attraction profile being subtly matched through the 8th house/Mercury Mars/Gemini affinity.

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posted May 19, 2016 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally just realized yesterday, reading the new Mountain Astrologer magazine (which issue is big on Synastry--yay!!) a resonance between my moon and my partner's moon which i had not realized before:

My moon is in Capricorn conjunct Neptune in my 3rd house.

His moon is in Aries square Neptune/Nodes (and my Saturn), in his 11th house.

So even though our Moons are square one another by 8 degrees, (his moon is in Capricorn in draconic, conjunct mine), they are both in air houses, and so our basic needs are compatible in that way, and they both aspect Neptune; we both need intellectual/spiritual/psychic stimulation, we both value a certain degree of renunciation and emotional detachment, and paradoxically are both uber sensitive and able to lose ourselves emotionally... and go about it in slightly different ways... but are complementary anyway I think..

This kind of creative thinking is not grasping at straws, it is seeing the essence of a synastry and the complexity and depth of human interaction and acknowledging subtle connections and resonances which do really matter. It all matters.

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posted May 19, 2016 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"His 7th house is in Capricorn, with Sun in his 7th (in Aqua)

I don't put any planets here - except for my Saturn (5HR) conjunct his DSC exactly. Also i don't really aspect his Saturn (apart from a wide square to my Mercury - 5 degrees and a 1 degree conjunction to my Uranus). But i do have an exact Sun - Saturn square in my chart, so that DOES make me Saturnian, i guess. Saturn also squares my Venus. And my own 5th house is in Capricorn with Saturn in it... Would it be enough??"

Yes.

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Lotis White
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posted May 19, 2016 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Selene,

His Venus conjunct your 7th house ruler is a big deal!

And yes natal planets in the 5th, 7th, and 8th house tell about a person's type for that area of life. If he has Mercury in the 8th it will attract him to Gemini and Virgo in an 8th house way. As yungang_grotto pointed out.

You mentioned he has Sun in his 7th house. Do you have any Leo planets? If so this is also a match. I think I remember Moon in Leo for you? People with Sun in the 7th are very attracted to Leo energy in others.

And yes, I'd say that your Sun/Saturn square is a good symbolism match to his Cap Dsc energetically. It makes Saturnine qualities part of your whole personality. Your Saturn actually on his Dsc would reinforce the match via aspects... Your Sun in his 5th square his Asc/Dsc, and your own Saturn on his Dsc also squaring your Sun. Your Sun/Saturn energy connects very literally to his Dsc point. No way he can miss it. Your Saturn being your 5th house ruler connects your 5th house energy with his 7th house energy, as well. All of it added together is enough, I'd say. Especially if I'm remembering the Leo Moon thing correctly.

I wouldn't ignore a 1 degree conjunction to his 7th house ruler by Uranus either. In a way you are giving him your Uranus energy (your remind him or relationship excitement) in a relational way. And seeing as he has Aqua on the 8th house, and partly in the 7th, he may appreciate this. By itself it might seem too abstract because Uranus is an outer planet, but mixed in with other factors it adds a nice finishing touch to your connection to his 7th. Same with your Cap Saturn on his Cap Dsc... You can give him that Cappy/Aqua vibe by aspects (tight ones at that).

I'm one that believes that tight conjunctions to outer planets involving the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses are very significant in showing what we give to the relationship. More personal planet connections to the 5th, 7th, and 8th may be needed to re-enforce this. But they are far from insignificant.

The things to take into account with the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses are overlays, house ruler synastry, and symbolism matches.

A symbolism match can occur without overlays or house ruler synastry. It's a more subtle energetic match to someone's attraction pattern. For example, if someone has Sun in the 7th house, and 7th house ruler in Cancer, they could marry a Cancer with a Leo stellium. This could happen with out overlays to the 7th house, or exact conjunctions to the 7th house ruler. Sometimes planets in the same sign as the 7th house ruler are enough. And sometimes planets in the sign ruled by planets in the 7th house are enough (e.g. Sun in the 7th and the partner having Leo planets).

I do think that symbolism matches do need to be backed up by strong aspects to our chart in synastry, though. With the Cancer with a Leo stellium example above, this person would still need to make strong aspects to the partner's chart with their Cancer and Leo planets. So that the partner can 'feel' that Cancer/Leo vibe coming from them. And that way they can feel the match to their natal attraction pattern in the Cancer/Leo person. If we only focus on overlays and house-ruler synastry, we can sometimes miss symbolism matches like this.

The 5th house stuff sounds really good. Nothing to add here. Think it explains why you feel really in love.

His Mercury in his 8th house trine your 8th house ruler sounds rather connected to me. And, yes, the houses of the house-ruler does have an impact on our taste.

I'm a little miffed as to why you don't see a match between you using the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses. Maybe posting a chart would be helpful.

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Lotis White
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posted May 19, 2016 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some more things to think about...

By the sounds of it he has Moon/Asc in your 11th house in Cancer?

While the 5th house in our natal is about us falling in love and what we fall in love with, the 11th house is about who falls in love with us and how they make us feel appreciated. The 11th house describes nataly how we'd ideally like to receive love and caring from others. And how we'd like to be swept off our feet (for women), or how we'd like to be swooned over (for men).

I'll elaborate on this with a quote from a different thread...

quote:
Originally posted by Lotis White:
The essence of the 11th house is the reception we receive from others. In a general sense this refers to our social popularity at large. When it comes to one on one synastry, on an individual level, it can be either platonic or romantic. The one thing that is certain is that the way the person treats us makes a big impression. If synastry is with 11th is good, the person gives us a boost. The kind of high we get after someone makes us feel valued and wanted. If the synastry is bad, we might actually feel rejected or hurt by the response we get from that person.

The 11th house is the house of feedback from others around us on our performance in life. This feedback can be either platonic or romantic, encouraging or discouraging, depending on synastry.

You're planets in his 11th house indicates that the way you treat him has a large impact on his mind. You have a natural ability to make him feel wanted, like that he has something valuable to contribute. Which can be sort of addictive. It's entirely possible to fall in love with someone else's admiration for us. This is the sort of thing that happens when the 11th house is involved in romantic attractions. The way the partner treats us, admires us, and makes us feel included, matches up with our dream of how we always wanted to be loved. Depending on you're individual situation, this can totally be attractive.


Also...

With your Dsc in Pisces your 12th house is your secondary 7th house. Does any symbolism from your 12th house match his chart? how about aspects or overlays?

With his Dsc in Capricorn his 10th house is his secondary 7th house. Does any symbolism in his 10th house match your chart? How about aspects or overlays?

The secondary 7th house shows extra detail about our partnership preferences. Synastry and symbolism matches to these are always useful to look into.

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Selene
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posted May 20, 2016 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Ahem... what do you mean 'not so much in the charts'? Silly billy. Your NN in Aqua conjunct his Sun in his 7th? Your Suns in one another's 5th house?

And yes I think you're right about your attraction profile being subtly matched through the 8th house/Mercury Mars/Gemini affinity.


I think i might have misspelled what i actually wanted to say, haha. It's just i thought that what the charts imply are not enough for all the attraction and feelings we have for each other! But now i think i might have been wrong and there is.

Thank you!

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Selene
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posted May 20, 2016 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Lotis White! yes, my Moon is in Leo, indeed. And his Moon conjuncts my 11th house, if that makes sense.

Yes, now that this is written on "paper" i can see that there is indeed a lot on every level. I guess i just wanted to see a more in your face placements like Venus conjunct Mars in 8th house or something. But it'll do. No Venus/Mars conjunction i've had felt as strong as this connection does.


He's on the outside and the birth times are correct.

Ah, and his Mercury, i guess, is a really intimate and soulful planet for him (rules 4th house and sits in 8th) so something tells me that this grand trine is somewhat a culprit of everything.

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Selene
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posted May 20, 2016 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Moon/Venus MP = my Mercury&Venus - so that might help the level of affection we have for each other (it is also his Moon/Neptune MP)

And my Venus/Mars MP = his Mercury

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posted May 21, 2016 04:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the feedback. To me you look like each other's type based on relationship house symbolism. And this is good.

The mid-point stuff looks good too, only I'm not so expert on those.

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Selene
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posted May 23, 2016 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you

This weekend he called his mom and it turns out he is born a half an hour earlier. It doesn't change his ASC sign, but it certainly changes something in the synastry, though, for the better.

Now my Mercury, Venus, Sun, Pluto are all in his 5th house, 7HR Neptune conjuncts his DESC (along with his Venus), Saturn is in his 7th and NN in his 8th conjuncts his Sun. So my Leo Moon appeals to him not in a 7H theme, but in 8H, which is probably even better, because i like that house more.

Now it is even more evident that we are in love with each other.

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