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KoreAbyss
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posted May 23, 2016 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KoreAbyss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've probably written about this before but I just made an interesting connection so I'd like to share.

My Venus rules my DSC and is very out of bounds at 27°44'N. I've discovered that anyone who is particularly significant in my life has something in their natal or draconic chart that touches my Venus' declination.

My natal and draconic Venus do not differ much in declination. They only have a difference of 4 minutes.

My Natal Venus: 27°44'N
My Draconic Venus: 27°40'N

Relationship 1:

Their Natal: Nothing
Their Draconic Moon: 28°32'S

Relationship 2:

Their Natal Moon: 27°42'S
Their Draconic Venus: 27°43'N

Relationship 3:

Their Natal: Nothing
Their Draconic Eros: 27°05'N

Relationship 4:

Their Natal: Nothing
Their Draconic Moon: 27°31'S

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This is just something personally interesting but here's why this may be interesting for you. I am just getting to know someone (it's only been a year) who has their Eros at declination 33°23'N in their natal chart. My Venus is conjunct their Eros but not even close by declination. This is WAY far out and knowing about my own Venus and how hard it is for me to find interest in being in a relationship with someone, you would think it'd be hard for them to be erotic with anyone. You know, Eros is way out in space like

BUT when I look at their draconic Eros I see that the declination changes to 23°5'N. So what this says to me is that it's possible for them to have Eros connections with a person but only if it's in line with their nodal axis or their life path. If it's not then they see no point and their Eros stays out there away from all the action and not interested. Like when there are no aspects between a chart, it's not that they hate you, they literally just don't notice you at all! D=

So for me it seems that OOB planets cause a feeling of not being connected, not "getting it" like other people do. You know, relationships mean a lot to me but people rarely make me feel like maintaining a connection to them. I see them come and go and I don't really mind. But those people that I've shown have had such a huge impact on my life, I mean changing the direction my life has gone and having real world influence on who I am and who I want to be.

If you have any planets natally and/or draconically OOB then it would be interesting to hear your perspective on them. If what I've said makes sense to you regarding those planets or if it doesn't and what you think OOB planets mean instead of my interpretation.

Anyway, I'd love to see any of your OOB degrees and connections with your significant others. This definitely doesn't have to be just romantic either, friendships, business partnerships and familial connections and even people that you've never met but have had some great impact on you. Perhaps you'll even find some pattern like I did and be able to understand yourself a little more!

Happy hunting!

TL;DR: Please check your OOB planet's declination in both your Natal and Draconic charts. Then check your significant partner's charts and see if they have any planets within 1 degree parallel or contra-parallel to your OOB planets.

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Ceridwen
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posted May 23, 2016 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread.

Been thinking about that myself lately. Granted my Venus is not THAT far oob but at 24 S only a few people/planets touch it, and I am just like you described it, it`s not easy to keep my focus I guess. always surprised me how easily Mr Sag seems to manage that, keep my attention and not bore me.

Interestingly his Sun is in orb for being parallel my Venus.

Anyway I never applied it to Dracos, but it sounds like a very interesting idea to investigate (and yes, I cannot be attracted just for the fun of it, somehow there is always that feeling of it being infused with a certain meaning or purpose. It`s odd)

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Ceridwen
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posted May 23, 2016 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and my Eros is at 54° N.

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KoreAbyss
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posted May 23, 2016 05:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KoreAbyss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! That is SO OOB!

Sun parallel/conjunct Venus, that will definitely be attractive. I notice that the majority of hits to my Venus are from another's Moon. My natal Venus is inconjunct my Moon. Does your natal Sun have any contact with your Venus?

I definitely jumped the gun in my explanation though, attributing Eros to all things erotic. Of course eroticism can be from many things. I don't want to scare anyone as I've seen some threads asking if there are no Eros contacts if you won't have any sexual compatibility with a person. I have seen no evidence giving Eros that much weight and it is not something I have personally verified either. I am kind of just on an Eros kick lately. Don't mind me!
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In searching through the charts of people I know I noticed something interesting about one friend in particular.

He has Pluto conjunct his IC and he described to me numerous times how it's hard for him to feel fulfilled. He says "I don't feel that anyone truly loves me." This person's natal Pluto is at 9°28'S but draconically it is at 34°46'N. I wonder if this can be an indicator of his issues with never feeling accepted or nurtured enough.

Well to describe more why I think Pluto does have an impact on him this way: he has Pluto conjunct Sun conjunct IC in Sagittarius. Sun rules his Ascendant. He has Jupiter conjunct his Descendant which leads back to Sagittarius. His independent self, dependent self and identity are all tied into this Pluto. I give a lot of weight to the outers as they are so slow they really do not take "no" for an answer. Seeing his Pluto be so far out means that it would be much more rare for someone to touch his Pluto and thus to make him feel connected.
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Now I'm gonna check to see if anyone I know has anything as far OOB as your Eros. What declination is your Eros at in your draconic chart? Does anything become OOB in your draconic chart that is not OOB in your natal?

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KoreAbyss
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posted May 23, 2016 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KoreAbyss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol The furthest I found was Eros at 43°35'S

You should get an award for "Most OOB Eros" Ceri!

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Ceridwen
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posted May 23, 2016 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kore,

LOL


Funny though I had started looking at Draconic planets that are oob, too, and relating them back to tropical, wondering what that could mean. I just noticed that while Mr Sag has no oob planets in his tropical, there are some in DRaco.

As for my Draco Eros; it`s at 16.21 N


While I don`t give asteroids the value of planets, I do think I notice Eros to be rather prominent. Or maybe it`s just in my chart, as he is exactly conjunct my Vertex and opposing my Sun/Moon-mp (all within 4 minute orb I think).

On the other hand it makes me smile to see that Mr Sag`s Eros in Pisces is conjunct my name in his chart (and opposing his Mars-Jupiter-Amor-his name) and synastrically it conjuncts my Ceres-Jupiter (and Pholus to the other side).
The conjunction to Ceres is just a bit over one degree orb, and the reason it makes me smile is that very often when he is approaching me food will play some role; last time he was going on and on about the pancakes I had eaten (or not eaten ), I mean like within a couple of hours always coming back to the issue, even holding back the waiter, inspecting my leftovers, wondering why I had not eaten them up and so on. He was absolutely teasing me about that (and the poor waiter was squirming quite a bit. lol )

Even the first time he was approaching me during a show of his, it was him trying to "seduce" me to accept chocolate from him (well I knew him well enough to know, this wuold be a trap and there was something off with the chocolate, and I absolutely declined the offer. Also considering I was massively overweight at that time. lol)

But yeah Ceres-Eros, right? (let`s rather not get into the Ceres-Eros-Pluto-Proserpina-business in our chart )

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Anyway in my Draco chart Moon is oob (26.14N) as well as mean BML 27.27 N.

In his Draco chart
Moon 25.06 N
Mercury 24.08 N
Pluto 33.57 N (is that even possible???)
Juno 32.01 S
Valentine 25.04 N

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But back to the beginning.
my Venus that is slightly oob in my tropical chart is draconically at 9.16 N, and therefore parallel HIS tropical Mars and Jupiter.


And no Venus is not really tied to my Sun, oh well they are parallel though

Venus 24.06 S
Sun 23.22 S

And in terms of synastry our Suns are parallel and the parallel to Venus is mutual.

So
his Sun 23.24 S
my Venus 24.06 S

my Sun 23.23 S
his Venus 22.39 S


in terms of longitudinal aspects there is only a boring semisextile

his Venus 25.55 Cap
my Sun 25.56 Sag

However I found it interesting that we met, when his pSun was at 25.55 Cap exact (the 0°00 orb was only existent for the range of 5 days for him, and we met on the 3rd day, so EXACTLY in the middle of it. lol

I did not have Sun-Venus-progression, though if I remember it right pVenus was conjunct my nMoon (though not THAT precise, but still well under 1 degree).


And again I am disgressing. lol

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yungang_grotto
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posted May 23, 2016 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi KoreAbyss,

I do resonate with your description of OOB planets as being a little detached/removed from the rest of society/the world... have been guilty as usual of not looking so deeply into the actual meaning of it beyond synastry because personally I'm relationship obsessed ; especially when it comes to astrology... but yyyeah, anyway, my Moon is OOB at 27'40 S... and emotionally my Capricorn Moon detachment takes it to the next level I guess with the OOB... honestly I'm not entirely sure what to make of it. Maybe it takes a lot to resonate with me emotionally but maybe I'm extra sensitive just not to the usual things? Then again I'm not that odd really. I cry freely. Does that count for something?

My Moon is conjunct Neptune very tight so I'm emotional and impressionable and permeable psychically and whatnot... it's a complex moon I guess with all these factors. In the 3rd house--so I'm addicted to the written word. I think the OOB factor maybe works with all these other factors somehow, you know? Which is why I mention.. just feeling it out.

My partner's Diana is at 27'39 S. Diana is conjunct my NN and our composite Moon/Amor/Vertex so it's important to us both I think... We're both really really into being in the woods and stuff... and I think he feels "out there" because of it... it seems to highlight that planetary energy somehow, being OOB, rather than detract from it. Could be wrong.

His Draconic Moon is also at 28'26 S... and I've noticed the resonance there between us before, my natal moon parallel his draconic moon... His draconic moon is widely conjunct my natal moon. My draco moon is 25'9 S...

And funny enough I actually have an OOB Eros as well! 35' something in my tropical and 41'48 draconic... I guess erotically i have a bit of the bizarre about me.. but I really think that as opposed to disinterest my Eros OOB creates a heightened interest in Eros energy.. it's a focus of my life actually... though I can see how it takes something really special to ignite it. For some context, my Eros is trine my Psyche. Eros is conjunct his Sun/Moon midpoint by 2 degrees though... and my Psyche is conjunct my own Sun/Moon midpoint... We have an Eros Psyche conjunction in draconic synastry and the trine in composite. Anyhoo..

His draconic Pluto is at 37'1 N...!!!!...

In tropical, for context, without too many non astro descriptions: his Moon is contraparallel his Pluto, and my Venus is parallel his Pluto. My Mars is parallel my Pluto and my Mars is conjunct his Moon.

What I have found really interesting too is the kind of ridiculous amount of parallels in both our Davison and composite charts. Not much time now and it's not relating to OOB so I'll leave it out, but it's all very interesting

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posted May 23, 2016 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is it about draco Moons being oob?

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yungang_grotto
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posted May 23, 2016 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good question.

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posted May 23, 2016 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Kore,

My OOB natal Moon declination 27N14.

My Natal Venus: 27°44'N
My Draconic Venus: 27°40'N

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yungang_grotto
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posted May 23, 2016 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
High fives all round for 27' OOB declinations

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KoreAbyss
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posted May 24, 2016 04:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KoreAbyss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri,

Ohhh so your Eros being so OOB in your natal becomes much easier to contact by declination in your draconic chart. How interesting. Maybe it also applies to you what I was saying about my interest's draconic Eros. When you are with someone for a purpose or fate then your Eros is available to interact? I wonder..

I haven't really researched different couple asteroids like Pluto/Proserpina much. Do you see them interacting in certain types of relationships? Tell me about what's going on with them in your synastry, if you'd like, please. I'm curious about those types of pairings and the extra symbolism they might give.

See I think Eros + Jupiter might need more love because we all know Jupiter's expansive effect on Mars in synastry so with Eros being a more distilled version of eroticism we should see Jupiter just blowing Eros up to even greater size. Having that between you in your charts I'd think would have a big effect. Adding to that, is your draconic Eros contacted by Mr. Sag's draco or natal declinations?

Lol I haven't really researched Ceres either. Him teasing you like that is so cute and personally, I find that kind of teasing really sexy. It's so playful and cheeky.

Ahhh your BML in your draco chart would be parallel my Venus. Just a side note: when I was looking through my charts I found a pattern of Lilith parallel or contra-parallel my Venus with people that I tried to either be friends with or romantic with and each of these people gave me a feeling of not being enough. Kind of like they wanted me to be a sexual fantasy. And often they would suggest to me things even subtly that kind of made irked me like uncomfortable + shy. Interesting..

Omg okay I absolutely have a love affair with Jupiter conjunct Venus. Both times I was Venus and the other person could do no wrong in my eyes and I just genuinely loved who they were. I wonder if you would feel the same with Mr. Sag? That mutual Sun/Venus sounds amazing!

I saw that a couple people I know have very OOB Pluto as well. I had the same reaction you have had. (Is that even possible?!)

And I'm not really sure what it is with all of these OOB draconic Moons. Looking at my charts I see about half have OOB draco Moons and half do not.

I'll be back for more!

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posted May 25, 2016 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KoreAbyss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Yungang!

I'm glad you resonate with it. Haha I think the relationship aspect of astrology gets us all a little obsessed!

I think it totally makes sense to be a little detached or out there as OOB tends to have that outer planet feel, you're so far and away from things that your perspective doesn't really line up with the majority's in the nature of that OOB placement. It might just be one of those overlapping patterns though, when you keep adding descriptions you find they all end up telling you the same thing. Haha

I have a Capricorn Moon as well and based on my experience I don't think it makes someone not vulnerable and in fact makes the Moon far more vulnerable hence crying (maybe mostly when no one's looking, for me at least lol). I dreamt of it once as being a baby and not being paid attention to so I left the house and went outside into the rain and found shelter under an overturned boat. It's quite a sad placement with regard to feeling nurtured. Capricorn has a way of saying "You need to grow up." and when the Moon is there it's hitting hard on some very sensitive parts of a person. Though you get that tough outer casing because of those early years of feeling alone but still have that insecurity deep inside. But anywayyyy lol!

I find it incredibly interesting, your assertion that OOB planets give more emphasis on a specific point's energy. But maybe it allows you to manage it better than more pressing or in other words, close points as if you can define that point far easier than all the rest which sit closely and mix the energy in a big melting pot. So although you are still very interested in that energy you are not as swayed while it seems to overwhelm others? Hm..so many possibilities..what do you think?

Wow, Moon/Venus/Mars/Pluto energy all mixing together between you two. I think you just nailed about half the sexual aspects in one fell swoop!

I agree, it all kind of leads you to constantly thinking about different connections and trying to weave them into your experience. Endlessly fascinating..and tiring! Hahaha

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