posted May 24, 2016 06:27 PM            

The second relationship
Saturn/Moon DW COLD VIBE between us.We did not agree in anything.

posted May 24, 2016 06:36 PM            

I have the venus conjunction saturn thing with many people, in each case the saturn person is either the teacher or mentor or thinks they are "big brother" or "big sister" to me. in each and every case..

posted May 24, 2016 08:02 PM            

Right now I'm experiencing somebody's Saturn on my ascendant for...I dunno... the 3rd time ina close intimate relationship. One of these is with one of my best friends. I respect her deeply and would never want to do anything to hurt or offend her. It is because of her genuine wisdom and gentleness... she has Saturn in Scorpio just like the other two and her Saturn is retrograde. Granted it is about 3 degrees wide of my ascendant in the 1st house and so not as intense as my current partner whose Saturn is conjunct my ascendant by 0'07 minutes... when he's around it is insane... i feel like i am walking in water... everything gets more dense. His Jupiter is novile my ascendant which relieves some of the pressure--a lot of the pressure sometimes... With my friend I also feel like being really careful about my ray and every action but there's something about this being very careful all the time which is like good training for uber sensitivity or something...

But still... I feel sometimes like my partner is so incredibly critical of me even though he says nothing and I just know it's his own insecurity being projected but I do wonder sometimes if it's worth sticking around for... I care about him so much so it's a really tricky thing... He does tend to want to tell me what to do but he's pretty smart and usually right. Not all the time though and it can be oppressive... I'm taking it all as a big huge test of my own strength of character and ability to maintain my composure and self love but... very challenging... his Mars on my descendant opp his Saturn makes for a very very interesting situation...

My Saturn is very tightly square his Moon and conjunct his South Node/Neptune.. my Uranus is conjunct my Saturn though so it's a throw up what he's going to get ... i know he feels oppressed sometimes too.. yikes. Saturn truly can be a bad mofo... or feels like it. I trust the process though (repeat, repeat..)

posted May 25, 2016 04:43 PM            

Saturn person is hyper aware in that area of the zodiac of what the best possible rules of conduct are for maximum responsibility and dealing with karma and stuff. Like super uber duper sensitive, because of havingb felt so inadequate themselves in that area, having been restricted to the most rigorous possible standards, they will then beam that exact same rigorous sensitivity and very precise programming onto anything which touches it, by interaspect... to Saturn, this stuff is a matter of life and death. Or karma rather, which is maybe even more intense.

The planet person is humming along happily being Venus at 4 Scorpio, enjoying it
then BAM
here's somebody with Saturn there seeing this Venus just laughing it up and playing with--playing with!!--the exact energies they've been struggling their whole life to get in check, to keep tabs on, that which they've felt forced to repress and could only grow with tremendous effort and actual physical work.

Venus is like Ima go do some cool loyal Scorpio stuff and it's gonna be intense whatever, gonna be so fun and nice and lovely
and Saturn is like
oh. My. God. You are? I'm coming too. You'd better do this thing exactly like this because it is VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT AND YOU'RE MINE FOREVER AND WE ARE ONE we are merging--

Venus might not feel the same compulsion but will be intrigued and likely flattered by this weightyness being given to her deep sultry amorous nature. Depending on other chart factors she may take Saturn's guidance and advice-- and take it all very seriously... and build a really satisfying Scorpio relationship thing out of it.... or it may seem oppressive and far too demanding. Especially if HER Saturn doesn't do a comparable thing with HIS chart.

posted May 25, 2016 04:51 PM              

What would you say about the opposition? Would that involve more of the 'pushing away' or shutting out that Saturn sometimes does?

There was something written on sasstrology about finding the 'common ground' in that opposition polarity axis. Still, I couldn't find a deeper answer about the difference in dynamics between the conjunction, opposition & square for this aspect.

posted May 25, 2016 05:46 PM            

With the square Saturn is attempting to apply pressure in a way which is inimical or very much at odds with the planet person's energy. This can be useful and even effective sometimes because of the modality being the same. The square is offering something needed, always. Capricorn needs initiative. Aries needs staying power. S
Aquarius needs passion to get its high ideals operative... Scorpio needs detachment and idealism, the notion of applying personal power in the service of the collective and the group needs. Virgo needs to let her hair down. Sagittarius needs discernment. Squares are constructive, dynamic, and there is a reason that people with squares in their chart go far and accomplish much. They are, bizarrely, complementary... even if at odds with one another.

Say my Saturn in Capricorn is square my partner's Moon in Aries (it does). My Saturn figures problems will be solved by being in it for the long haul, making serious commitments, being satisfied with goals and long term achievements, stoicism, etc. His Moon wants to resolve every emotional issue right meow, like rrright now, and the immediacy of their need is not always well understood by my Saturn.... But Saturn has the perspective that Aries Moon could benefit by, and the Aries Moon keeps calling Saturn to action. So the relationship continues. Saturn squares are compelling. The issues arise in the very different needs. If they can work together--great!! But it is different from a natal square.

Luckily that Moon of his... it is understood by my Mars, which squares my Saturn natally and is in many ways actually the key to my chart and my growth in this life, as it makes the most squares and kind of the most noise in my chart... It is the planet I need to work on the most, and that which propels me through life.... without it i would be a jellyfish.... I must control my anger and apply my energy to being empathetic and helpful. But I digress.

Say Saturn is retrograde and there is an interchart conjuction to Venus in Scorpio (specifically--because I find it hard to speak in general terms, and can give more scope with specific examples which you can then apply to other signs, planets, etc)... the Saturn person is more likely to go underground with their feelings of compulsion, inadequacy, need for structure, etc. They will tend to internalize the struggle more than somebody with Saturn direct would do, and carry out the chastisement and attempts to structure Venus' behaviour internally, very rarely letting that dialogue spill out into the relationship itself except in very measured, premeditated ways. The rest of the chart well influence this of course and things will get said which Saturn deeply regrets and goes over and over in their minds and experience. A retrograde Saturn is really challenging too because the things which must be worked on with Saturn aren't even mental.. they have to be played out on the physical plane... so Saturn rx will directly suffer if Venus rejects him or doesn't take his prescribed actions seriously enough, and suffer deeply, taking it all very personally...

posted May 26, 2016 04:13 AM              

I've found the conjunction 'easier' to deal with. In this case, I never ever doubted the Saturn person's loyalty. It's really stabilizing and supportive. Although sometimes Saturn can make Venus feel like a petulant child -- but, goes with the territory, I guess.

And I love the specific examples you explained. The signs at play matter just as much in the dynamic. An earthy venus may have an easier time accepting Saturn's 'restrictions' or following their orders (more or less, lol).

The Rx Saturn being contacted in synastry really might feel like poking a bruise (to the Saturn native). They do seem like they're about to explode, always simmering under the surface. Every once in a while, they give Venus a 'piece of their mind'. The vulnerability is amped up by it being Rx, maybe?