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Topic: cheater or faithful?
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happyleo
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posted May 25, 2016 11:09 AM
  
I just can't figure out what to believe about my bf...
First his chart, followed by our synastry. Thank you so much in advance.  
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margym0o
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posted May 25, 2016 12:28 PM
What about his behaviour is making you think this way? Is he acting more suspicious than usual? Do you trust him?The charts will not give you the answer for sure, unfortunately. They can give you insight into his personality maybe but nothing compares to real life interaction. Nothing jumps out at me in the synastry except for the unaspected planets (namely both of your Venuses) so maybe you don't feel totally "connected" to him, like there's something missing. This could exacerbate already shaky feelings. He also seems to be a little bit of a "head in the clouds" type with the Neptune influence in his natal, with maybe a bit of unpredictability with the Uranus contacts. He does have a Venus/Saturn square though, which often means someone who takes relationships very seriously (maybe too much so to the point of avoidance) or feels unworthy in love. With all of the 4th/7th action plus Saturn in 5th muting his playful side as well I would think he is probably a very family and relationship oriented type of guy and I would guess no to him being a cheater by nature. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 25, 2016 12:34 PM
Moving this to Interpersonal Astrology.IP: Logged |
happyleo
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posted May 25, 2016 12:36 PM
Thank you so much!
Well, we are still exploring each other, so I don't know what my feeling is about. He seems to be a bit confusing (to me) sometimes (I already thought about the Neptune influence being the problem - for me)
I can't point it out, it is just a nagging feeling. Seems like I can't decide on if it's paranoia or intuition.
Thank you for your reading, he presents himself as a family oriented person, you got it right, I am just not sure if I can trust that (I mean him, not you)
 I just can't quiet the nag in me in this case, it'S really weird. Thank you!! IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted May 26, 2016 12:34 PM
Happy leo I can help you find out if he is cheating on you or if there is just "trust issues" but your GONNA have to post charts from astro.com with the default web style and include some asteroids for me. Or give me both of your birth info with TOB and it has to be accurate because the time is super important.PLEASE DONT QUOTE. ------------------
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todd
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posted May 26, 2016 04:44 PM
I would say he is a cheater and would have doubts about his faithfulness as his mars is square to uranus. this aspect rarely shows a homebody in youth, but is much more often associated with someone who will not surrender his emotional freedom. such a position makes the native much more interested in"open" relationships than committed relationships.
this square does not usually deceive so he would be straight forward if he had another romantic interest. but with the loose Neptune sun conjunction, I could be mistaken here and he could be deceptive about his outside affairs.
of course I believe the nature of a relationship is much better described by composite chart
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happyleo
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posted May 27, 2016 05:10 AM
Angel4845, I'd be forever grateful if you'd have a look, I got exact TOB:I am born 29.07.1980 at 18:38 in Vienna Austria
He is born 1.12.1977 at 15:22 in Vienna as well.
Thank you SO SO much!!!!! It means a lot to me. Todd, thank you so much as well! He doesn't insist on his freedom as much as in the beginning, as I've threatened with the same... He insists that he is faithful and values those things as his parents have a wonderful relationship etc.
But I think his early insisting on freedom coupled with his own jealousy gave me a weird feeling. He is working on being extremely transparent for me but this Uranus and Neptune were exactly what worry me (in the chart as well when I see them expressed) Also I feel I must say his last relationship ended because he was being cheated on and hurt gravely. IP: Logged |
LaceyLeigh
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posted May 27, 2016 05:39 AM
My mom has Venus (Gemini) and Mars (Virgo) in hard aspect to her Uranus (Gemini), and she has never been unfaithful. However, her husbands/boyfriends before my stepfather were. Hard Uranus aspects don't always point to the native being a cheater, but they might have some unusual/unstable relationships.IP: Logged |
LaceyLeigh
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posted May 27, 2016 05:47 AM
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happyleo
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posted May 27, 2016 05:52 AM
Thank you for your input! I got Venus in Gem too and I never even think of cheating, perhaps due to its Saturn square and Pluto trine.IP: Logged |
LaceyLeigh
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posted May 27, 2016 06:01 AM
I'm not sure why the aspects aren't showing up on the chart, but his Venus actually makes a few aspects to your chart that I'd consider within orb.His Venus squares your moon 5°11, sextiles your Saturn 3°04 - which is a stability aspect - as mentioned before, he also has Venus/Saturn square in the natal. The Venus/Saturn sextile is easier to handle, though, and his Venus conjuncts Uranus 5°23 - which he already has in his natal, so he's probably familiar with it. IP: Logged |
happyleo
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posted May 27, 2016 06:14 AM
Thank you!
Is the moon venus square bad? I thought as they are both in water it should create understanding between us, as I never calculate aspects by myself I did not see this before.
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margym0o
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posted May 27, 2016 09:52 AM
Todd's interpretation is a little harsh, and a bit of an unfair generalization. My ex has Aries Mars sq. Uranus and he is the OPPOSITE of what Todd describes. A homebody to his core (online gamer) and would never, EVER cheat on someone. He prizes loyalty and commitment above all things (he is a Libra with a Cap Moon and Virgo Venus). Mars sq. Uranus also shows in charts of body builders, because of the amount of electricity in their veins. It needs to be channeled somewhere. My ex was very into fitness and even took steroids to improve his figure at one time. It seems as though you are defending him a bit so you're obviously not that concerned at this point. You can't very well accuse him of cheating based on what someone on the internet speculates without knowing him at all. I'd say, give it some more time and use your best judgement based on your instincts. If he keeps giving you the creeps and it becomes unbearable then chalk it up to a mismatch of energies and move on.
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angel4845
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posted May 27, 2016 01:05 PM
Okay HappyLeo! I'll go ahead investigate now! I'll let you know in a week please give me time as astrology very complex and layered and I may ask you some questions as im reading the charts. ------------------
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LaceyLeigh
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posted May 27, 2016 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by happyleo:
Thank you!
Is the moon venus square bad? I thought as they are both in water it should create understanding between us, as I never calculate aspects by myself I did not see this before.
It's certainly not the worst aspect to have, both the moon and Venus are benefic planets. IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted May 31, 2016 07:07 PM
I' am still looking at your charts IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 01, 2016 02:05 PM
HappyLeo, I didn't see anything in his chart that specifically pointed to him being a cheater or not. So I looked at your chart, and I noticed that you have an exact square of Saturn to Venus. So imo you have insecurities in the love department and you may tend to project them onto the love partner by assuming they will cheat on you. You may also pick people who will validate the insecurities by cheating on you. So there is a lot of work for you to do in understanding your insecurities and how they affect you and your relationships. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted June 01, 2016 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
HappyLeo, I didn't see anything in his chart that specifically pointed to him being a cheater or not. So I looked at your chart, and I noticed that you have an exact square of Saturn to Venus. So imo you have insecurities in the love department and you may tend to project them onto the love partner by assuming they will cheat on you. You may also pick people who will validate the insecurities by cheating on you. So there is a lot of work for you to do in understanding your insecurities and how they affect you and your relationships.
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happyleo
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posted June 05, 2016 08:35 AM
Thank you everyone for your input and especially angel, you are beyond amazing!I had some serious stress IRL, apologies for the delay. We got both saturn square venus. Yes, I am mistrustful in general, but it's not too bad as the years go by actually. With him I really don't know what to think, my instinct fails me completely. Could be an extremely pure person, but who knows. I can't stand this confusion really. And I only want to be faithful if the other person is too, otherwise I'd prefer to be single and flirt around like therr is no tomorrow. I'd hate to invest more than my partner. Many many many thanks, I am very grateful for all the answers! IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 05, 2016 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by happyleo:
Thank you everyone for your input and especially angel, you are beyond amazing!I had some serious stress IRL, apologies for the delay. We got both saturn square venus. Yes, I am mistrustful in general, but it's not too bad as the years go by actually. With him I really don't know what to think, my instinct fails me completely. Could be an extremely pure person, but who knows. I can't stand this confusion really. And I only want to be faithful if the other person is too, otherwise I'd prefer to be single and flirt around like therr is no tomorrow. I'd hate to invest more than my partner. Many many many thanks, I am very grateful for all the answers!
If you believe in faithfullness, then hold on to your standards for yourself and don't start being unfaithful because the other person is unfaithful. I think this is one of the tests of Saturn aspecting your Venus, helping you develop your own sense of what is right and wrong and stick to it, regardless of what others do. If your instincts fail you completely, pay attention. Take your time (Saturn) and allow trust to develop between the two of you before doing anything drastic one way or the other. Saturn reminds you that true trust cannot be forced or manufactured. It has to be earned.
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happyleo
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posted June 08, 2016 03:53 AM
Thank you Belage
Hm, I guess I don't like the idea, but sounds very sound.
I try to pay attention, but one's own perceptions etc - I seem to not be able to filter anything out. Perhaps it's a transit with me at the moment or his Neptune in general.
It does not help that he has some problem expressing himself as in confusing the meaning of phrases, like having a basic slight problem with language.
He also seems to feel a bit insecure as people are hitting on me all the time, to which I don't react at all when I am in a relationship. It makes it hard for me though as I would enjoy this attention if I was "free", I don't exactly miss it but in case he is a liar I shall be very much pi**ed off about being faithful.
Funny thing is, I am all about being the better person and holding on to my standards in all other areas of life even if it gets difficult, without becoming resentful.
It would be such a bad deal for me to invest all this while being lied to about faithfulness.
It's like I'd like to know instantly without taking any risk. I got mercury sq pluto too, that doesn't make it easy to just let go and relax and wait. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted June 10, 2016 02:05 PM
That loose Neptune-Sun conjunction is 7th house in Sag would be an honesty red flag for me. Not that it means he's necessarily a liar/cheater--it could play out in some "higher" way, making him extra expansive and dreamy and musical and creative, but.
It's also a huge red flag that you're wondering. The way(s) he's deceptive might not be the ways you would think, but you're picking up on something.
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happyleo
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posted June 13, 2016 02:04 PM
thank you!
he is highly idealistic and dreamy and has a confusing way of speaking.
i will watch it though.IP: Logged |
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