posted May 26, 2016 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hello Todd,

I have a question.
What orbs do you allow for midpoints in a composite?
And which aspects do you consider to the midpoints?

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I see orbs in a variable light. I give a basic 2 degree orb, though with conscious planets I will fudge it out a bit more. when a mp is part of a larger pattern, I will sometime enlarge the orb depending on the nature of the pattern and planets.

generally with these added concerns, 3 degrees is about the maxi i allow,though if there is a stellium of midpoint and planets I may occasionally give a slightly lager orb.my mindset is that with many points of power conjunct, the orb can be larger.
for instance say there are 3 mps separate by 1 degree each.then the final midpoint is square to say mars with a 2 degree orb. I would consider mars square to all the midpoints even the first mp even if the actual orb to the first midpoint would measure 4 degree of orb.

I am influenced by the concept of transference of light,which holds that the light of an aspect can remain functional when it passes between two symbols of an aspect,even if the orb is relatively large

rahu

posted May 26, 2016 05:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
thank you.
Transference of lights is one of the rare conditions in which I consider extending my orbs as well.

Do you only consider direct midpoints?

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todd

posted May 26, 2016 05:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, actually oppositions are also direct midpoints, but yes, that is basically what I meant.

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Right. Didn't mean to jump in too much just curious myself!

posted May 26, 2016 06:57 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Right. Didn't mean to jump in too much just curious myself!

I'm already mentally rearranging to consider just the oppositions and conjunctions but I have so much fun with the rest I don't know if I can give them up!

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thanks for the clarification yungang_grotto.
I do consider all midpoint aspects that are function of 2 i.e. opps,octiles,and 1/16
I also look at 11th harmonics ,quintile harmonics i.e. 1/10,1/20.

trine/sextile not so much
though I do pay attention to septiles.

with the minor aspects I rarely take note unless there are more than one midpoint involved as I find larger patterns more reliable... but not necessarily so.

and I always use the node for minor transits I very rarely look to planetary transits with the midpoints except direct aspects

todd

posted May 27, 2016 06:04 AM              

And yes Yun, semisquares, sesisquares and the 16th harmonic is a 22°30 aspect (the Hamburger school, who does the midpoint analysis extensively, uses this one as well).

Personally I only stick to the direct midpoints and squares (at least so far) and within a rather tight orb 1°-1°30 depending if there is a transference or light or clustering together, I might use up to 2°00, but nah, not really.

posted May 27, 2016 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
thanks, Todd, for the information.

And yes Yun, semisquares, sesisquares and the 16th harmonic is a 22°30 aspect (the Hamburger school, who does the midpoint analysis extensively, uses this one as well).

Personally I only stick to the direct midpoints and squares (at least so far) and within a rather tight orb 1°-1°30 depending if there is a transference or light or clustering together, I might use up to 2°00, but nah, not really.

For me the reason is that with midpoints too much is coming up otherwise and I like to first figure out the basic core-aspects (and my hypothesis is those show in those aspects along with tight orbs, but of course I am open to play around with other things as well, thta is why I was asking).

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the primary reason i started using midpoints was for their plenitude. the transits of the node to natal planets is so accurate, that I ran out of symbols quickly. so I experimented with midpoints and found the could describe exactly, much of the time,the period when the node wasn't making aspects to the regular planets.
using minor aspects evolved I the same manner.i wanted to use the node and so experimented with minor aspects and these aspect timing was just as accurate as major aspects.