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Topic: MVM, DD, Glaucus, IQ, Geocosmic?
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Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 286 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted July 31, 2010 11:40 PM
I'm back, and having a tough time with this eclise/ T-square cycle.I'd be grateful for your thoughts on this synastry. What do you see in ths relationship? (I'm outside, he's inside.) I would be grateful for anyone else's thoughts, too, just listing a few favorites. IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 4968 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 01, 2010 08:40 AM
Welcome back Lucia!It is quite rare to find someone with such a close Ascendant Proximity. Any mistake in birth-time, and you two virtually have the rarest of the rare exact Ascendant Match. There is too much past life karma at play here. Look at the opposing Nodes to go with the Ascendant Match. And both your chart rulers are Saturn, plus a bit of age difference. He is having depression red flags with Moon-Neptune conjunct in 12th, probably Uranus and Jupiter too in 12th if I use equal house system. Your Saturn and Moon are on his 7th cusp, pure fatedness has drawn you together. Your Mars is squaring his Moon and Uranus, and his own Pluto is opposing his Mars. This will sap his drive in the long run. Notwithstanding the initial attraction of Solar Trines, this will turn out to be a melancholic masochistic relationship in the long run for him, and most likely fill you with unnecessary guilt. I think you will be happier with a more consistently positive, happy, jolly, enthusiastic and prosperous man. He too may be all of these in the short term but not consistently, that 12th House will act up sooner or later. ------------------ http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html Readings IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 286 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted August 01, 2010 03:06 PM
Thanks, IQ!I have very strong feelings for this man. Interestingly, he's the second person I've felt a connection with recently with that particular NN-SN age gap and a Sag moon. I must be working with some Node/12th house issues of my own. When we met I felt like it was a long-term connection. Now it's already gotten too hard, and I have been feeling sad about it. My Leo Sun most definitely wants to be happy with someone happy! IP: Logged |
Amphitrite Knowflake Posts: 296 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted August 01, 2010 06:59 PM
Hi Lucia23,This seems like it would be quite a strong bond with both your saturn and his saturn squaring personal planets and conjuncting angles. Also a somewhat unforgettable one with that venus pluto square. But an aspect that I have experienced, and which I think is quite potent is the NN conjunct moon in the 12th. I was also the NN person, and I felt like the moon person really understood me on a deeper level. I felt safe with all my emotions around him and never really had to explain them to him, and he also helped alot in sorting them out. You guys also have all those angles conjunct. I see it would most likely be quite difficult to walk away from. I hope it all goes well for you. As a side note its nice to see you around again, I remember seeing so many of your older posts, and you always offered such wonderful insight IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 286 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted August 01, 2010 07:20 PM
Thanks, Amphitrite! So good to see you.From the beginning it felt like something very serious to me, and actually like we could have a real long-term thing. I'm surprised it's falling apart so early, and also surprised by how deeply, horribly upset about it I feel. I think these transits are hitting a lot of people hard. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 286 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted August 03, 2010 01:45 AM
I am holding it together bette emotionally today.Talking to others with key cardinal planets/angles and hearing how these transits are hitting them is helping me put things in perpective. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 03, 2010 06:36 AM
I think you might have an emotional bond with Moon on DESC and Moon on NN, but there are squares to both conjunctions, so it might not easily be manifested in a balanced relationship.your natal Moon-Saturn conjunction could be an indicator of insecurities and depressions, and his Sun square this. So through his Self he triggers this very very sensitive Moon-Saturn conjunction in Cancer. In turn he might feel rejected or blocked by your Saturn squaring his Sun. Of course this is a very karmic aspect, too. His Moon trines your Sun and Mercury though, that looks really nice and harmonous. You have a DW of Moon-Sun aspects wich indicates a strong bond, but as I said it would never be an easy one. His Uranus squares your Mars - a very restless combination. Sexually attractive, but unpredictable. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 286 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted August 03, 2010 12:18 PM
Thanks, DD.I'm really sick of my Moon-Saturn conjunction in Cancer in the 7th, it makes romantic relationships an area of disproportionate insecurity for me. IP: Logged |
Happy Dragon unregistered
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posted August 03, 2010 01:39 PM
~ Lucia23 ~ just to say .. good to see you on LL again :-)( not read thread .. this be quik pre pizza post ) IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 286 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted August 03, 2010 01:56 PM
Hi Happy Dragon, great to see you.Yum, pizza! IP: Logged |
Izo Knowflake Posts: 327 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 03, 2010 02:31 PM
Lucia, Your guy is born like half an hour before me. I entered this thread accidentally, as it was already adressed to someone else and, holy sh!t, I thought "this is my chart! can't be, when did i post this? how did lucia get my chart??" Then I saw the planetary placements and phew! I am relieved. So it is not my chart. My Asc is 23 Cap, it seems like his is mid-Cap. Anyways, I don't know your dude, but since my chart is A LOT like his, perhaps I can be of service. Soooo... if I had a synastry with someone like you, I would: -definitely think we have a connection, perhaps because of Cap Ascendants conjunct. I personally LOVE other Cap Ascendants. We get each other, we are on the same length. It's an aspect I would apreciate. -definitely would enjoy talking to you, for hours, and laugh with you. Grand trine of Sun-Mercury, my Mercury and my Moon. His 5th house cusp (and mine) is in Gemini, so talking RULES. This is an advantage. If the communication is bad, if I don't get your jokes and your ideas, I lose interest fast. Also, I like to debate (Mercury ruler of the 5th conj Mars), it's a turn-on, definitely. Arguing can make for good foreplay (especially with that Venus-Mars square). I'd also apreciate your Uranus opposite my Mercury, I'd think you blow my mind, make me reconsider my ideas, see things for a new perspective. I wouldn't see that as too much of a challenge. What I wouldn't like, though, is perhaps a feeling of instability in our communications, it would frustrate me a little. -I would definitely feel the NN-Moon conjunction. I'd think it's a fated relationship and this is why I would try to work on it, not abandon it when the going gets tough. Also, because Moon rules my DC, I'd probably think you were made for me or smth like that. -personally (and this is my opinion, don't know about your guy) I wouldn't like your Cancer Moon squaring my Sun. I have an aunt with a similar placement and, though I love her to death, I can only spend limited time with her because she exhausts me. It annoys me at times the way she tells me ALL the small, insignificant details of her daily life and loses the point of the conversation in small details like how she felt when she heard this or what she was thinking when she did that... Enough! Drives me insane. I would apreciate more if she got to the point already, instead of prolonging the conclusion by making emotional statements. Also, I find this placement a bit too clingy for my Sun trine Jupiter-Uranus. I love my freedom. I don't like to explain myself for every little thing I do. I also don't like to talk or see you every single day. Sometimes I need to distance myself from you in order to apreciate you better. Also, please, please, please don't get too emotional ALL the time and don't, for the love of God, don't feel sorry for yourself. It would make me lose the respect I have for you. I mean, I understand that you might me going through a rough time and need to vent once in a while. But if you only complain and don't get down to business and fix your problems, I would perhaps try to avoid you in the future. I prefer stoics to whiners. -oddly, the squre from your Saturn to my Sun wouldn't bother me. It is said to be a harsh aspect, but I have it in synastry with other people and it is not an issue. I like the fact that you try to organize me and advise me in a mature fashion. Just don't impose anything on me, I wouldn't like that. -I'd probably also dislike the square between our Jupiters. It would mean that our like principles would clash and that could make me reconsider our relationship. I am highly idealistic and have strong ethical principles. If we're not on the same page regarding spirituality and morals, it could make me doubt you. I had this one in synastry and didn't like it. At least don't try to impose your principles, respect mine and let me respect yours, even if we don't share them. That's all I can think of at the moment. Again, I don't know how your guy feels, just gave you my 2 cents from my personal opinion and experience, considering we have very similar charts. ------------------ Every day is a battle with yourself, one you can never win, nor lose, nor abandon. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 286 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted August 03, 2010 05:43 PM
Hi Izo, what a great post, thank you for all the insight!Do you have 12th house planets in your chart like him, too? I hate my own Cancer Moon. Seriously. IP: Logged |
Izo Knowflake Posts: 327 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 03, 2010 06:14 PM
Hi, Lucia!My chart is slightly different from his, my 2nd house cusp is in Pisces, his is in Aquarius; my 12th house starts at 1 Capricorn, his is in Sagittarius. Technically, my Moon and Neptune are in the 11th, but I feel like a 12th house Mooner (the conjunction is exact in my case and falls 2 degrees from the 12th house cusp). Don't hate your Cancer Moon, it's a lovely placement, in domicile. Also you have Saturn conjunct it, which makes a whole lot of difference. I have a sextile between Moon and Saturn and frackly I apreciate it a lot, makes me a lot more rational than I would be with such a tight Moon-Neptune conjunction. Perhaps in your guy's chart the Moon is too far to form a sextile with Saturn, I can't tell because I can't see the degrees. I think communication is the key. He has a see-saw type of chart, like I do, we can see your point of view, so I think if you explain to him how you see the relationship, what you want from it and show him you are willing to meet him half way, there is hope. You two have good communication, you should use that as an asset. Don't assume he understands, talk. Explain your point of view with honesty (but I'd try to avoid getting too emotional, use the Saturn-Moon conjunction instead), I think he would apreciate it. ------------------ Every day is a battle with yourself, one you can never win, nor lose, nor abandon. IP: Logged |
Izo Knowflake Posts: 327 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 03, 2010 06:18 PM
I think posting your composite might help me and others get a bigger picture on your relationships. Some issues tend to become clearer in composites. ------------------ Every day is a battle with yourself, one you can never win, nor lose, nor abandon. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 286 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted August 03, 2010 06:53 PM
Thanks, here's our composite: IP: Logged |
hanakin Knowflake Posts: 235 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 03, 2010 06:56 PM
things should go smoothlyvenus and pluto trine one another
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iQ Moderator Posts: 4968 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 04, 2010 01:29 AM
I hold a contrarian view, especially because I use Equal House System. You both cannot be happy together. Four Personal Planets in 6th House and Neptune in 12th. That is Emotional Depression x 4 + mutual Psychological Depression. I see psychic drainage and sapping of all liveliness and bliss. "Let me be your servant, boo hoo" "No, let me be your servant, boo hoo" Ad infinitum. That is the ultimate fate. The 6th House in Composites rules Emotional Torture and four personal planets is depressive Emotional "Terrorism". Capricorn Ascendant is already a bit of a wet blanket. Such relationships are best as friendly Therapist and Patient, not as lovers. Sorry. Please quit this guiltlessly and do not fall for emotional blackmail. Find a guy where a composite has four personal planets in 5th, the Neptune in 12th also wont be able to do harm in such a case. ------------------ http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html Readings IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 286 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted August 04, 2010 03:35 PM
Yikes IQ, that sounds awful! As a Leo of course I love liveliness and bliss...I'm sure my Aries does too!I haven't seen that side of the relationship (yet?)--masochism. guilt, servitude, etc. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 286 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted August 04, 2010 04:48 PM
I notice I am addictively spending way too much time on Lindaland again! So I am banning myself again, at least for the time beingg. I get so addicted to it! But first, I wanted to thank all of you for your great and thought-provoking insights. I am feeling A LOT better and clearer and more connected to my own feelings than I was a few days ago. It has helped so much to hear some other perspectives.
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iQ Moderator Posts: 4968 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 01:13 AM
An hour a day is not addiction You will be fine Lucia.IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 286 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted October 18, 2010 02:21 AM
We split up last month, but I miss him so badly.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted October 18, 2010 04:14 AM
I;m happy to see you here, I was gone a while too...too much going on. I'm back because of temporary insanity I think you'll be fine, can't comment much on the relationship...I just can't see enough. I think you'll find something more long-term next year tho, next year.
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iQ Moderator Posts: 4968 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 18, 2010 07:01 AM
I stand by my interpretation given in August. The 6th House heaviness is now making you miss him. These relationships plant guilt in the subconscious mind, as an insurance against separation.If he gave you multiple big Os every weekend, or he managed your portfolio for a 100% increase or he raised a million bucks for Mercy Corps to make you proud, then you very well ought to miss him. Why exactly are you missing him? Is he missing you too in the same way? I think you will easily find a happier relationship.
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Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 286 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted October 18, 2010 06:51 PM
Actually, he is very, very rich and gave me multiple "big Os" three or four nights a week. But, those things really aren't priorities for me. Well, the sex is, not money or anything like that. I miss him because I felt a connection. In many ways, it just felt right to be with him. Sometimes those things are hard to articulate. He is NOT missing me the same way. He ended things. So I really don't have a choice about it. MVM, good to see you too. Hope you're right that next year will be better. IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 4968 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 19, 2010 12:50 AM
We all know that you are not materialistic and are a romantic. But when a rich guy breaks up after just a month, and when the sex is great, and the Composite has heavy 6th House, then it means another dark side of the 6th occurred: USING to fulfill a purpose, in this case a fantasy ? This point was discussed in another thread some months back. Lucia, if it felt right and there is a true connection, he will come back. However, he has practically no water in his chart to feel emotions, to feel your feelings about him. Too much Fire, some air and a bit of Earth. Cappy Ascendants and Aries Suns or Aries Ascendants with Cappy Suns, they become very rich through hard work but turn cold hearted when there is no water in their charts. You will get a better man. IP: Logged | |