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fatatabata
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posted June 13, 2016 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi dear members, I have a question for you. Is it real what I "feel" (not rationally, totally istinctively) towards this person? Karmic connection?

I did a lot of researches around his natal chart, mine, our synastry and the composite, and in 2 weeks I came to a conclusion : that there's "something"powerful and still it has to be healed . He felt it too, and I think he doesn't know how to handle it right now...
Short story : we met after 1 month of talking, magnetic SOUL connection and sexual attraction, we met again 3 times and got naked, cooked together, touched hands, shared details about happiness and sad moments in the young age, sent him a homemade present before he did a Triathlon (sport) competition - as if I was cheerleading him - he was totally smitten and moved, kept in touch, but I feel he's withdrawing and still want to see me, attraction and withdrawal.

Would you please share with me what you "feel" about the energies of these charts?

Note - I've put a lot of efforts in understanding what I consider the most relevant aspects, keeping aside the minor aspects. Please advise : HER BLUE - HIM RED

HIS Natal chart
his planets in 12th house Libra (Mars, Pluto, Saturn) square Sun and Mercury in Cancer

MY Natal chart (Koch method)
my Moon in tender Cancer square Venus in Libra (4th - 6th house)

OUR Synastry
1. His Mars-Pluto-Sat-Eros conj with my Venus |2. My Pluto-Mercury square his Venus and Nept | 3. His Amor cong 0° with my Moon | 4. My Dest cong his Sun | 5. My Saturn trine his Sun | 6. My Ic conj 0° his NN in Cancer |

OUR Composite
1. Asc in 7th house, Sun Venus Mercury in 7th house | 2. Vertex conj 7th house | 3. Moon at 29° cong Psych in Cancer 6th house | 4. Moon conj Saturn and hit by Uranus in Scorpio

HIM

HER

Synastry

Composite

I feel a deep connection and a "healing haloe" in these aspects, as If we were meant to meet for a precise purpose (NN in Cancer? Moon in Cancer in the healing 6th house? He teaching me to get stronger and independent, me teaching him how to accept his hidden vulnerability and powers (12th house) and to connect to his watery part?).
I feel this connection as fated, and I feel he's DEEPLY frightened and attracted by me. He told me : you are too pawerful for me. Then another day he told me, would you like us to be just friends, no more sex involved? And I'm ok with that, I can live without him and still I really feel there's some profound lesson from life there for us to be learned. Am I getting crazy ?
What can he learn from me? What can I learn from him, in return?
I only have one fear : I need to take care of my dear Moon in Cancer. I have to take care of myself. Am I doing the best for myself and for him?

Any comment, hint, feeling from you, dear Lindalers?
Thank you!

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Randall
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posted June 14, 2016 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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fatatabata
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posted June 14, 2016 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Randall!
I am a totally beginner on this Forum

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Aubyanne
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posted June 15, 2016 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
'Classic' links here.

SUN conjunct MOON
VENUS conjunct MARS

Very 'classic' aspects of attraction, and often part of a soul connexion.

I would agree there are lessons here and karma.

But just starting off, those are two 'major' aspects.

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fatatabata
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posted June 15, 2016 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Aubyanne.
I was suspecting a Karma lesson here. I just would love to know how to do (or to be) my best for myself, and for him.
I'm not ready or willing to make heavy sacrifices (emotional ones) for him. Instead, what I'd love to do is share what I've learned so far in my life and share my empathy with him : "you should not be afraid, I'm a woman, I bring good stuff, bright energy"
You know what I mean ?

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fatatabata
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posted June 16, 2016 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My main question is : is this relationship "dangerous" for my Moon (please check the Composite Moon) ? Is this relationship mutually beneficial (please check the NN in the Synastry) ?
Any advise ?

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fatatabata
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posted June 24, 2016 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a quick update.
Based on my own feelings, on my emotional reactions to his actions, and of course based on astrology I removed myself from the equation with this man.
I found his 12th house too challenging for my Venus, his overall attitude too cold and unemotional for my Cancer Moon, his Uranian attitude too disturbing (he doesn't want to plan things ahead! Then, when I decided it was time to cancel his number from my phone, he contacted me to hang out for lunch, and was surprised when I declined his foggy plans).

I think that a packed 12th house can be sometimes too much. Despite any Venus-Mars conj, any Sun-Moon conj...

I feel there MIGHT be lot to explore with each other, a deep karma to work with. But I also think that now I deserve a man who's ready to walk hand by hand with me along the karma path...no pushing no pulling please
What do you think?

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Aubyanne
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posted June 25, 2016 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fatatabata:
I feel there MIGHT be lot to explore with each other, a deep karma to work with. But I also think that now I deserve a man who's ready to walk hand by hand with me along the karma path...no pushing no pulling please
What do you think?

I think you have tremendous emotional maturity, and know what's ultimately best and smartest for you. That's absolutely what you should do.

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Ceridwen
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posted June 25, 2016 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fatatabata:
But I also think that now I deserve a man who's ready to walk hand by hand with me along the karma path...no pushing no pulling please
What do you think?

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Lucia23
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posted June 25, 2016 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fatatabata:
Just a quick update.
Based on my own feelings, on my emotional reactions to his actions, and of course based on astrology I removed myself from the equation with this man.
I found his 12th house too challenging for my Venus, his overall attitude too cold and unemotional for my Cancer Moon, his Uranian attitude too disturbing (he doesn't want to plan things ahead! Then, when I decided it was time to cancel his number from my phone, he contacted me to hang out for lunch, and was surprised when I declined his foggy plans).

I think that a packed 12th house can be sometimes too much. Despite any Venus-Mars conj, any Sun-Moon conj...

I feel there MIGHT be lot to explore with each other, a deep karma to work with. But I also think that now I deserve a man who's ready to walk hand by hand with me along the karma path...no pushing no pulling please
What do you think?


I am inspired by your attitude!!! I, too, have a tender Cancer Moon....mine is conjunct my Saturn in the 7th, and I hope in this lifetime to learn to take better care of it. If you really want to evolve and show someone empathy and help heal them, you'll handle it EXACTLY the way you're handling it--treating yourself with lovingkindness. (I'm sadly not speaking from personal experience--I cling. )

In the synastry, am I reading that exact Jupiter conjunction right? That looks like a hugely joyful aspect/dynamic to me that would bring closeness and a "happy sidekicks on an adventure" vibe--of course, in the case of your Jupiters, it's a Scorpio adventure.

His 12th house stellium all over your Venus just looks painful and frustrating. His Saturn in a loose-orbed square to your Moon=also painful and frustrating.

Is he an early-1980s Libra Saturn? And you a late-1960s/early 1970s Taurus Saturn? I know that age difference you CAN work---all my female friends born in the early 70s seem to be hooking up with men born in the early 80s---and I know I'm now extra biased/projecting, because I used to be really non-ageist in either direction, but my most recent relationship (heartbreaking and life-ruining, with my daughter's father) had that kind of age difference, and I thought it was so great at first------I do think that lots of times there's a huge maturity gap at play that hides itself in the first months of the relationship. The "foggy plans", attraction and withdrawal, and "he doesn't know how to handle" the intensity of your connection etc etc sound a lot like (many) guys that age, astrology notwithstanding.
Many of them, even though they're so drawn to 40something women, would be better matched in a romantic relationship with a 27-year-old girl gearing up for her first Saturn return.

Strong Saturn connections in synastry can strengthen the bond between two people and bring longevity to the relationship--but they can be painful if there's advancing and retreating going on on either side, pushing and pulling.

For sex/romance you need someone who is your equal in maturity.

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fatatabata
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posted June 25, 2016 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, Aubyanne and Ceridwen...thank you so much. Really

AUBYANNE : thank you, you're really nice. But what I am now is also the product of my past errors and my "faux pas". And in this particular case the relationship is pretty recent and did not go too deep, so I haven't had the chance to get too attached to this man. And this was a good thing afte all. What is true is that I did a long journey inside of me in the last 5 years, I had an awakening call and chose awareness instead of "automatic reactions" to feelings. Voilą. All the better, then.

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todd
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posted June 25, 2016 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi fatatabata

this is definitely a karmic relationship, but there is positive and negative krma and not all karmic relationship result in union.

vertex axis on the asc/desc axis show a common karmic path, this aspect always gives common unusual experiences growing up, it is very unworldly because ,though different people it seems the coincidence and trial of your separate lives are the same. this by itself can give rise to a soul mate feeling because there is no other rational way to explain the similarities.

with chiron and Uranus both square the vertex, you have a strong psychic/astral connection also. but this can be very stabilizing in its intensity also.

Lilith is conjunct to Jupiter show deep down there is an almost certainty that this will become a serious relationship. with the Saturn/moon midpoint square to lilth also, there are inner feelings of devotion present.

then the node is square to the ascendant. this energizes the mental connection between each other and can give very similar ideas and thoughts on life etc.

psyche conjunct to the moon gives the amazing sensitivity you have together. the mars/venus midpoint is square to destiny which accentuates the sense of a soul mate connection forming .

but.. on the other hand, Saturn is conjunct the vertex and square to the Uranus/chiron opposition . this is an aspect of instability and breakup.

the mars/venus midpoint bringing the emotional and sexual chemistry is also square to Neptune. this aspect does not bring fidelity and more often is associated with a no commitment relationship

todd

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Belage
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posted June 25, 2016 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
'Classic' links here.

SUN conjunct MOON
VENUS conjunct MARS

Very 'classic' aspects of attraction, and often part of a soul connexion.

I would agree there are lessons here and karma.

But just starting off, those are two 'major' aspects.


I noticed that those 2 aspects are squared to one another.

Transit wise, Uranus is squaring/opposing, and in coming years, Pluto will be squaring/opposing these aspects.

These aspects are not falling in angular houses, and the Mars/Venus aspect is in the guy's 12th house. conjunct his 12th house Saturn.

Because of the transits I mentioned, this relationship will need stronger bonds in the chart to keep the natives together. I did not notice nodal contacts.

Disclaimer: i have only looked at the chart for 5 minutes.

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fatatabata
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posted June 26, 2016 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lucia23:
I am inspired by your attitude!!! I, too, have a tender Cancer Moon....mine is conjunct my Saturn in the 7th, and I hope in this lifetime to learn to take better care of it. If you really want to evolve and show someone empathy and help heal them, you'll handle it EXACTLY the way you're handling it--treating yourself with lovingkindness. (I'm sadly not speaking from personal experience--I cling. )

Hei Lucia23, thank you for your comment. I found it really nice and warm, very empathic (Cancer Moon anyone? ). Thanks.

- Jupiter conj:
you are right! I think that we might have had enjoyed that closeness, if only all the other refraining aspects wouldn't have played a part in this relationship. I felt he withdrew completely and all of the sudden. Game over for me. Now, even if he's trying to keep the link someway, I'm the one who decided he's not right for me.

- 12th stellium:
painful and frustrating. Exactly. So why being masochist and keep beating one's tender Moon? His Saturn falls on my dear 6th house (and I'm a Virgo). Thanks but no thank you.

- Is he an early-1980s and you a late-1960s/early 1970s Taurus Saturn?
That's exact, yes. 1982-1970.
I'm non-ageist. Definitely not. But I hear what you are saying with much interest and attention. And I definitely think you are right. I found myself attracted to younger man quite recently, but found them usually scared of relationships and unable to handle a secure attachment.
I am really sorry to hear about your personal experience but HEY you have a wonderful daughter now! That's amazing and I think it's worth any pain we (women) may have suffered.

- Strong Saturn connections: having a strong 1st house Saturn myself, I guess you are - again - totally right.

- Are you looking yourself for more mature men in your life?

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fatatabata
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posted June 26, 2016 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by todd:
hi fatatabata

this is definitely a karmic relationship, but there is positive and negative karma and not all karmic relationship result in union.


Hi Todd and thank you so much for taking the time to analyse my Composite.

- vertex axis on the asc/desc: yes, definitely, I felt that aspect in a powerful way, though our lifes are pretty different.

- chiron and Uranus square the vertex: yes, again. I felt a sudden connection. He felt it too. Like hugging me tight 3 minutes after having met me for the 1st time. Though, I found this attraction pretty short lived (we haven't met in 1 months now. I'm sure we still would be attracted when meeting again, but this is not happening anytime soon I fear...)

- Lilith is conjunct to Jupiter - serious relationship: really? How comes this? There's little left from the initial strong attraction and openess we shared...

- Saturn/moon square to lilth - devotion: my question is - who's the devoted one? I felt TOTALLY willing to be devote to him (and this is not always true for me). But I did not feel devotion from him. So, how's this working? Both sides or only one side?

- node is square to the ascendant - mental connection: this is very very true

- psyche conjunct to the moon - the amazing sensitivity you have together and feeling of soul connection: yes!

- Saturn conjunct vertex and square Uranus/chiron opposition - instability and breakup: I think so...

- mars/venus bringing the emotional and sexual chemistry is also square to Neptune. this aspect does not bring fidelity and more often is associated with a no commitment relationship : I think this is what happened in the end.

Todd, do you have any side note to the Composite Cancer Moon, square Uranus and conj Sat? Can this represent my own Moon, hit by an unstable Uranus looking for freedom and not ready to cope with a sentimental and in a way restraining Saturn Moon?
Thank you !

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fatatabata
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posted June 26, 2016 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Belage:
I noticed that those 2 aspects are squared to one another.

Hi Belage and thank you for taking 5 minutes to look at my synastry. It is already a lot and I'm gratefull (I know nothing about progression and transits...)

- Because of the transits I mentioned, this relationship will need stronger bonds in the chart to keep the natives together. I did not notice nodal contacts: I think that, even if we manage to get over the already challenging aspects we're encountering right now, those transits will be too strong and too hard to overcome...
Actually, I'm now looking for a mature and self-aware relationship...

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Lucia23
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posted June 27, 2016 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Fatataba!

I think I'm too wounded (bitter, angry....and also sad, exhausted) right now to be a mature, loving partner to the kind of guy I would want in my life.

My fantasy guy would be just, a really wonderful person--kind, conscientious, and really willing to look honestly and deeply at himself and the world. The relationship would be loyal and secure, committed and exclusive. and happy!!! We would adore each other. I can offer a guy a few of those things myself, but right now I'd bring a lot of bitterness, desperation and neediness into his life.

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