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Dancing Maenad
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posted June 15, 2016 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


Hi all!

This seemed like a quite harmonious connection to me. I've known him for almost two years, we've made out one night and then parted ways. We reunited a few times, confessed our mutual admiration for the other and some degree of intention to turn it into more, yet we both backed out again and again. We argue for ego-based reasons and we used to do so a lot in the beginning. With time, we agreed neither likes being upset with the other, so now we're kinda walking on eggshells with the other's sensibilities but it also means we're interacting very superficially, which I most dislike. The main problem, irl, is that he doesn't like to commit and I don't like to get involved into something that's not committed. Enter his Mars sq my Taurus Venus and possibly his Venus sq my Taurus Chiron (it hurt at some point, his withdrawal, doesn't anymore). We've talked about this 2-3 months ago, again expressed mutual liking, and the unwillingness to meet half way (is there such a thing as a half way between commitment and non-commitment?)

Today he popped up again and we've discussed going away for a weekend to the seaside or the mountains, since we both share this ardent wanderlust. It's clear that we'd both like to go, in theory, yet it probably won't happen because we keep letting each other down by not fulfilling the other's needs.

I think I've matured emotionally enough to be able to accept that he will not change and he can't give me what I want. I enjoy his company and wouldn't mind spending time with him as a friend and forget all expectation that this could turn into something romantic, however we have a very strong attraction and I'm pretty sure we'll both go there, mentally.

So, in a sort of a regretful tone, I decided to look at the charts again. I keep wondering why this couldn't work out, what we lacked for it to actually go somewhere. It stings a bit, you know.

If you have any opinions or explanations for the way things went down, maybe they will provide some comfort and closure (not in the sense that I am cutting him off, just, you know, the thought of him and I..)

His TOB is an estimate, but knowing him and my attraction pattern, I think it has a high chance of being so.

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posted June 15, 2016 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Off the top of my head, his Saturn opposing your Mars might be one of the things that caused it. Saturn hard aspects = never getting off the ground. Or, taking painfully long to do so.

Also, the Neptune trine to your Mars - yeah, it's a soft aspect, but even in the soft aspects, Neptune-Mars plays out this script of "not today, but maybe tomorrow".. Which will keep the other person "on the hook", but not let anything (much) real happen either.

Add to that your Jupiter/Uranus squaring his Sun/Moon. This could lead to you expecting too much of him, and overblown feelings between you two - but all of it running hot n cold..in fits and starts.

Having said that, there's a lot to like about your Synastry - for instance, the Sun-Moon trine to your Venus is pretty sweet. His Venus trining your Mars, and Mars trining your Sun :: romantic & physical attration galore! Besides, his Venus trines your DSC ruler (moon) - d'aww.
The Pluto opposing your Mars, though it may be something you share with others of this generation, will be 'triggered' in this relationship - if it should happen. The Jupiter-Mars trine will make you want to have adventures together, just like you said.

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posted June 15, 2016 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, your explanation sounds pretty accurate! I totally missed his Saturn and Pluto opp my Mars. I have it natally so I disregard it, but I guess the other person may feel disturbed by my Mars. :/ Didn't quite think of it like that before.

Thank you! Things will likely continue on the same page, I don't see either of us selfless and composed enough to take this on. It's kind of a wasted opportunity, but what can you do. Takes two to tango.

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posted June 15, 2016 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
It's kind of a wasted opportunity, but what can you do. Takes two to tango.

I have my Saturn square someone's Sun, and I swear this is almost exactly what I thought to myself about the whole thing ("what a waste!") . :/

Oh well.. Never mind, if it has to happen, it will..

And tell us here if it does..

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posted June 15, 2016 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well my problem with this is, sometimes it`s like you said, but sometimes there are relationship,v ery lasting, solid, loving, with exactly these Saturn and/ or Neptune aspects, so how to differentiate?

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posted June 15, 2016 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well my problem with this is, sometimes it`s like you said, but sometimes there are relationship,v ery lasting, solid, loving, with exactly these Saturn and/ or Neptune aspects, so how to differentiate?

Yeah, absolutely. There's potential for both. If it does happen, it will be solid.

Proof's in the pudding, time will tell.

Also, sometimes instinct helps too..Is it just hard because it's so *heavy* and important that the thought taking that leap is making one hesitate?

Or does it just feel 'off' like, too much effort and staying power invested by one, while the other plays the 'flighty' role.

I guess all aspects are better as double whammies, but in case of Saturn aspects, there's a marked difference if not 'balanced' on both sides.

Intensity, romance, attraction, etc - have more opportunities for mutual overlays/aspects for a better balance, with other planets & angles. But there are less substitutes for pure-and-simple stability (Saturn) that can measure up, if lacking on one side (IMO).

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posted June 15, 2016 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At first glance, especially through a somewhat amateur's eyes, you would think this is pretty classically great synastry based on some of the aspects! Even more interesting to hear the story behind it and why it just can't get off the ground.

I guess this where the limitations of astrology come into play when dealing with a "real life" situation. Sometimes it just can't account for things that can tweak someone's natal to be expressed differently than the textbook "norm." The way someone was raised, their age, maturity, their position in life, the things that influence them, the company they keep etc. can all influence the natal expressions of a particular planet/sign/aspect.

I could have a great relationship with Bob born on a farm in the US on July 9th, 1982 but a terrible relationship with Steven born in the city in Canada on July 9th, 1982. No two people are ever the same just like there is no one exactly like you even with all of the same or similar stats.

ALL factors have to be considered but I think especially and more importantly the "real life" ones. This is why the study of the synastry and especially the composite is all the more relevant once a relationship of SOME kind has been firmly established.

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posted June 15, 2016 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well my problem with this is, sometimes it`s like you said, but sometimes there are relationship,v ery lasting, solid, loving, with exactly these Saturn and/ or Neptune aspects, so how to differentiate?

That's my problem with it too! And why I sort of feel let down by astrology (regarding relationships, I mean, predictive astro still works perfectly), as if I can't count on it - and if I can't count on it, why bother? But I come back to it, again and again, and I guess deep down I think there's a misunderstanding, something I am deeply missing in comprehending it, because I really do want to believe in it.

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posted June 15, 2016 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Elysia, I think he might feel the heaviness more than I do. For one thing, I think he was a bit more invested in this than I was (despite his non-committing, yes). Second, he told me he felt pressured in a way, especially in the beginning. I can be obnoxious sometimes and I got a bit overbearing with him in the beginning. Then he turned it into an ego match and it felt so exhausting to me, that I didn't want to have much to do with him. I guess he felt something similar and there's a bit of resentment left in his attitude that I can perceive sometimes.

I know a part of him is afraid, not just of me or our connection, but in general (fear of commitment is, well, a type of fear). I think he considers my approach overwhelming and he is probably right, from his perspective. I also can feel my own fears (mainly of rejection and/or abandonment), so you can see how we're a match of our own worst nightmares.

Why go there?

I think what makes the difference is maturity and courage. When we'll both have those, we might have a chance.

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posted June 15, 2016 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Margim0o, you make good points also. I smiled at the different backgrounds part, because this is true in our case: different countries, different races, different religions.. You get the point. I don't know how this will play out in the end, but I agree with you: RL trumps astrology.

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posted June 15, 2016 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For what it's worth, our first meeting chart. Some things are super nice (that GT, the Moon-Jup conjunction, all that fire!), some are bad (Ssssaturn! especially the sq to Moon :/), some are kinda wtf (unaspected Mars, MC ruler, exact on DC?!)

It adds a little to the wasted potential feeling.


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posted June 15, 2016 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Elysia, I think he might feel the heaviness more than I do.
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I think what makes the difference is maturity and courage. When we'll both have those, we might have a chance.


Yeah, makes sense ..since he's the Saturn. Could be either person though, to be fair.
The same contacts with different people at different stages of our lives play out differently.
If either party is insecure, it'll come out in destructive game playing which eventually drives people away..

Btw, while answering Ceri, I didn't mean you guys specifically, just talking in general.. (I.e. wasn't commenting on either of you being more invested) sorry if that was offensive in some way..
The 'fear' from one or both parties causes the pushing away and apparent coldness, but underneath it all they just crave affection..

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posted June 16, 2016 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh no, it wasn't offensive at all! I was just saying you are right in our case and commenting on that, that is all.

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posted June 16, 2016 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
T (regarding relationships, I mean, predictive astro still works perfectly),

What predictive method have you found most valid?


And yes I agree, sometimes it feels like it`s before my eyes, and I just can`t see it. lol

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posted June 16, 2016 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Transits. Maybe because they're the loudest.

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posted June 16, 2016 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL

Yes, even with all the other predictive chart, who undboutedly have their value, I ALWAYS check for transit triggers, the others seem to be more like underlaying motives and need to be triggered by transits.

An expansion on this for me are the Event-composites (with our natals), they really amaze me with their accuracy (even when I doubted it before, but it came topass as they predicted it).

and also the most beautiful synastry does not take off the ground when there are no strong transits there (and actually I have found that even more evident in composites).


Having said that, and I donīt really put stock into the Uranian planets so far, but I have come across this article about breakups happening when a Lunar Return features conjunction or opposition between Hades and Juno (or alternatively DESC, Venus, sometimes Moon).

I canīt help notice that Tr Hades is applying to conjunct that composite Venus and squaring Juno on the IC. Of course Hades is REALLY slow, so it will take ages until it is exactly there.


Currently Hades is at 5 Cancer, so I suppose your composite IC feels it already, and it has been around there for quite a while, I think it was around that degree in my Solar Return as well, and that was in december.

Unfortunately it is retograding a lot,moving back and forth over 5-7 Cancer approximately, and only ever moves away from it in summer 2018 I believe.


Luckily I don`t believe in doom prophecies.
And my Dad had Hades conjunct his DESC in the lunar return when he married my Mom.

But if Hades has any validity (VERY hesitant with the Uranian planets), then it will be more than just representing a block (and wasn`t that more admetos job anyway?) or an actual breakup, might be more that you have to dig deep in each other`s soul and do a very thorough cleaning up of the darker corners of the souls, and well hades means transformation I suppose, putting an end to something (old), so I don`t see why he should be putting an end to old avoidance strategies either.

But of course with the old dusty dirty deep things, not everyone WANTS to go there. It`s scary and dark. Maybe sometimes people sense the potential of some really deep transformation and they rather run away.

(well I know I did. lol)


However who knows what the future brings? Maybe you two will get together, or you won`t.
Hmm, I guess sometimes the chemistry is not right, simply spoken, or life-plans do not fit, which is probably bigger an issue than attraction or sexual and romantic compatibility.

It`s not just that the feelings have to be there, for a relationship to happen, the timeframe (and opportunity) must fit for both.

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posted June 16, 2016 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Oh no, it wasn't offensive at all! I was just saying you are right in our case and commenting on that, that is all.

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posted June 16, 2016 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri, what do you usually look for in event composites?

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posted June 16, 2016 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Honestly? Midpoints.
they fascinate me and tell the story so often scaringly accurate.

But of course I don`t start with the midpoints.

In fact, I look for tight conjunctions and oppositions first and foremost, and exact aspects that result in midpoint pictures (For example the event chart for the last time I met Mr Sag had that very exact Grand Trine of


Moon 18 Virgo
MC 18 Virgo
NN 19 Virgo
his name 18 Virgo

Pluto 17 Cap

Mercury 16 Taurus (on my natal name exact)
Venus 19 Taurus


Of course not an event composite, but still too good to not mention.


my Event composite that day had

Sun 10 Pisces
Venus 12 Pisces
(conj. my n Jupiter 11 Pisc, conj. his pVenus 10 Pisces, opp. his nMars-Jupiter 10-11 Virgo)


But maybe even more noteable the minor triangle (that seems to accompany me since february or so)


MC 26 Virgo
Saturn 00 Libra

Uranus 26 Cap
Neptune 25 Cap
(on his n Venus)

Pluto 28 SCorpio
Valentine 27 Scorpio (on my natal Val.)

ASC 1 Sag
Moon 2 Sag
Mars 4 Sag (On my natal Mars - yes I know I was pretty much having a Valentine AND Mars return. lol)

Well the orbs are actually not tight enough for my taste, but hard to really break them apart.
What I noticed though is that esp. for isolated aspects the effect seems to QUICKLY wane after 3 degrees, so that is my figure.


Apart from that I actually start with the ASC, its ruler, planets on the cusp and also with the DESC and the planets thre and ruler. I think the DESC indicates what comes towards us, what we encounter, often in terms of other people.

ASC is how I experience that moment, maybe what I do. DESC what is being brought to me (and shape the experience).


In this case the rulr of the DESC was MErcury in Pisces in 3rd house, and I guess you could say that communication was being brought to me.
Well that Mercury was squaring the stellium on the ASC, namely Moon-Mars.
No we did not argue, though some facebook drama ensued the days after it, but I guess we`ve made up again (even without the kissing part ).


Well the ASC-ruler, which I think represented me was Jupiter in Sag in 1st house (On my NN after all), I guess it fits.


And that Moon-Mars-conjunction that I got to experience right on my cusp, was ruling 5th and 8th house. Yeah tell me about it.

I didn`t do anything wrong or shady though. I was just being there. But some times (and increasingly so) it seems that is enough for creating chaos. lol

I was pretty balanced, though I guess a little more outspoken than usually (well I did not say THAT much, but it seems what I said, had an impact. lol)

His experience of the moment or his event composite had

ASC on 25 Cap (exact on his natal Venus).
with the ruler Saturn on 5 Scorpio conjunct DESC-ruler on 8 Scorpio and right on MC on 8 Scorpio.

(funny enough, on the fanmeeting last year, when he just wouldn`t stop teasing me, there was also a Cap-ASC with an applying Moon-SAturn-conjunction in SCorpio. Interestingly just after the conjunction had become perfect and started to separate by minutes, which took a few hours that day, I got up and left - a little early. But hey I had not expected him to be there for 5 hours or so. lol )


That Moon in his event composite was actually opposing my name asteroid on the IC exact.

And all of it was square Uranus on 7 Aqua in intercepted 1st house.

Well truth be told he WAS acting a little crazy or weird.

I guess that is about how I would go about an event composite, starting with the ASC-DESC-constellations and the stellia and take it from ther.


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posted June 16, 2016 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm, I'll give it a try.

In my composite with the FMC, the Asc was 29 Aries, so the axis sits on my Mars-Pluto opposition. Ruler of Asc, Mars was in the 11th in Pisces, conjunct Venus and sextile my own Venus. So a conjunction of Asc and DC rulers in Pisces. Venus is on my natal Juno. Mars is also opp his Sun-Moon conjunction in Virgo. I think for me it was a lot about the attraction and I put it in the context of a relationship because that's the only way I operate. Oddly, both Mars and Venus were in trine to Saturn in the 7th. I guess it may account for the longevity of the connection, tbh with that many fits and starts I would normally just call it quits. Saturn in the 7th is pretty much a brick wall and I feel like that sometimes, when I consider taking another chance with him. Nah, it's doomed, forget it, move on. And I do, with ease. I can't say I'm hung up on him, though he's at the back of my mind sometimes, as the guy with whom I had a nice chemistry but it got wasted. Adding a bit more spice, Pluto in the 8th sq Venus (DC ruler). No need to mention again the intense attraction, is there? I guess I experienced the square as the annoying ego games between us, however arousing in the beginning, eventually they drained me out. Since you said DC energy is what comes at us, I guess I projected that onto him, blamed him for this push and pull, though I think I had a significant role in it. The Venus-Pluto sq is also possibly responsible for why the attraction seems to be fading now that we're walking on eggshells around one another, on my part at least (I find the superficiality of our interaction boring lol).
My composite with the FMC also shows a stellium in Aquarius of Neptune-MC-Sun-POF-Mercury (I put the POF in the equation because it's very close to Mercury). Neptune is on my natal Lilith and sq my natal Saturn, which is my Asc ruler. Sun was sq my natal Venus and the POF-Mercury conjunction was on my Sun/Moon mp. Another interesting issue is that Mercury-POF are opposite the NN. The stellium makes some connection to his chart, NN is conjunct Venus, Mercury-POF are opposite his Venus, while the Sun was opposite his Mars (maybe why he perceived me as a threat/an adversary). The latter part of the stellium is squared by Saturn -_- in the 7th (talking about Sun-POF-Mercury, out of which the sq to the Sun is the tightest).

Lastly, there was a Moon-Jupiter conjunction in the 6th house of the composite, Moon was also conjunct the Vertex and widely, the DC. I have a lot of good will towards him and I respect him for many things. Also, it might be some sort of fatedness to our encounter, maybe some Karma, but I'm becoming more aware of the blocks too, or better said, my perception of them.


Sadly, on his side I can't comment on Asc and DC since his TOB is a guess. But since he probably will never tell me his true TOB (it was subject to one of our arguments), it's as good as any, with some reserves.

What stands out the most in the composite between his chart and the FMC is the late Libra-Scorpio stellium of Venus-Sun-Mercury-Mars-Saturn, which is conjunct his Pluto-Saturn conjunction (and mine, since we're the same age, as well as in opposition to my Mars (esp the first two planets of the stellium) and Venus for the last planet of the stellium, which is... Saturn. Actually, Saturn was opp my natal Venus in both composites. Love/relationship that will be denied to me, wow I skipped a beat realising this). Saturn was in sextile to his Sun-Moon conjunction. And now hold on to your seats. The stellium is squared by a wide Uranus-Neptune conjunction! So, while for me it seems like I hit a wall and I feel denied in my romantic wishes, which then makes me apathetic/sad about it, in his case the issue is instability and confusion! He actually made a remark yesterday about my very busy schedule and that I'm never available when he wants to see me. I perceive it like whims on his part, he drops from the sky every few months and expects me to become available for him, wtf.. I have my own life and plans, they won't change for him. But yeah, he seems upset by the fact that I'm always working and won't take him on his spontaneity bursts, yet he probably returns because of Saturn (again accounting for the longevity of our connection, which is surprising I think), maybe he senses there's something worthwhile despite all the annoyances. And I think I get under his skin a bit more than other women, if I'm to look at that Sun-Venus conjunction on his Saturn-Pluto, melting a bit his defences, perhaps? The NN was conjunct his Venus/Mars mp and, widely, each of them.

Still no idea if this will ever go some place, but at least I understand better now where each one of us is coming from.. If you start dissecting it, it no longer seems such a great connection, does it?

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posted June 17, 2016 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I only read half of this thread, but I want to point out that Mars has been retrograde for months and in Gemini so men have been back and forth and due to quite a few retrograde planets the last few months, commitments and decisions have been "re"examined multiple times and there has been a lot of back and forth/duality. Neptune just joined the backward dance. I think that is the key with looking at syn/comp charts and trying to determine relationships and where there can be confusion. We have to take the current planetary weather into account. The weather affects everyone... but certain transits also hit individuals especially hard at different times.

Just some thoughts... I hope they help your process.

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paradoxically, I think he loved you too much or more exactly has too much respect for you.
In the composite, the Mars/venus midpoint is conjunct the sun giving the spontaneous affection and joy between you
With Eros opposed to pysche there is a idealistic almost spiritual bond between you that affected you strongly as Eros is octile venus, with Venus trine the moon .
With Neptune sector the Saturn/pluto conjunction and opposed the sun, the relationship was characterized by sensitivity and support of each other.
The problem stems from Neptune's conjunction with the south node opposed to the sun's conjunction to the north node. Though node conjunctions bring magic to a chart, Neptune opposed to the sun and mars /venus midpoint can show infidelity as well as a extremely sensiual ambience. My take is that with the clearly ethereal attraction of the
Eros /pysche energy, he didn't want to initiate a relationship that would end up disillusioning you as he recognized his own carnal inclination as the moon opposed to lust and square the vertex symbolizes.
Even though Jupiter is trine to Juno, the Juno/jupiter and Juno /Uranus midpoint is conjunct the antivertex and square the moon /lust opposition. This is a unstable pattern.
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posted June 18, 2016 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MM, thanks for the info! To be honest, it never occurred to me to correlate the two! That is interesting! I don't think he's second-guessing his commitment, he's been rather adamant he wants none of that, I think maybe he's testing the waters to see if I changed my mind! haha It's cool, though, at least I appreciate he was honest with me about it and didn't lead me on.

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posted June 18, 2016 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Todd, thank you for the analysis! I know he respects me, he told me that repeatedly. I don't think we can talk about love here, but there is some mutual affection. I do not know his exact time of birth, so the Vertex and Moon aspects should be taken with a grain of salt. It's unlikely he will tell me his TOB, so this guess is as good as any. He behaves like a Scorpio Asc and I'm almost always drawn to them, it would make sense. With that in mind, do you think the difficulties could be overcome or are they too much for us? To be honest, I've always had some reserves regarding him. Maybe because he's black and a muslim, idk.. it's very far outside what I'm used to. I like him and all that, but when I think about giving it a try all that enthusiasm just vanishes.

I still think it's a shame but I can't help how I feel and he can't help how he feels. So that's that, for now. Maybe in the next 20 years we'll make something out of it lol. But now it's unlikely.

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Todd, thank you for the analysis! I know he respects me, he told me that repeatedly. I don't think we can talk about love here, but there is some mutual affection. I do not know his exact time of birth, so the Vertex and Moon aspects should be taken with a grain of salt. It's unlikely he will tell me his TOB, so this guess is as good as any. He behaves like a Scorpio Asc and I'm almost always drawn to them, it would make sense. With that in mind, do you think the difficulties could be overcome or are they too much for us? To be honest, I've always had some reserves regarding him. Maybe because he's black and a muslim, idk.. it's very far outside what I'm used to. I like him and all that, but when I think about giving it a try all that enthusiasm just vanishes.

I still think it's a shame but I can't help how I feel and he can't help how he feels. So that's that, for now. Maybe in the next 20 years we'll make something out of it lol. But now it's unlikely.


since you know your exact time, the moon position in the composite can only be 1.5 degrees +/- off. so the square of moon/lust to Jupiter/juno/Uranus mps might still have validity.

a strong Neptune often shows religious or cultural differences so his being black and muslim is likely shown by Neptune conjunct the south node.
todd

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