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Ceridwen
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posted June 16, 2016 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just been reading this article here:

"While working on synastry analysis, especially on timing of milestones such as first meeting, proposal date, engagement day, wedding etc, there seems to be a lot of interrelations between several charts. What I'm trying to say is that:
Solar Return charts point out each other: lets say, SR Venus of the woman conjunct His natal Vertex & SR Moon of The man conjunct Her natal Sun .
There are mutual aspects from one progressed chart to the other. Lets say Her progressed Venus trine His natal Pluto; His Progressed Sun sextile Her natal Venus.
There are mutual aspects in Venus Returns.
Tertiary progressions demonstrate links between those two people, for that specific period.
Solar Arcs are active for both parties: SA planet or angle of one party aspects a natal point of the other and vice versa.(here I would like to add an observation of my own. Although I profess a great esteem for Noel Tyl; I don't agree with him about aspect types that mean something on Solar Arc Charts. He thinks that they are only the hard aspects that cause an important event as far as Solar Arcs concerned. However I come across trines and even sextiles in the periods of key events)"
http://asteroidsofthewelshelf.blogspot.de/


Have you done that?
I certainly had a look at each of those charts, cursory usually, but never really attempted to write them up together, and keeping it to the transpositions from predictive chart to natal chart. But might be an interesting thing to do.


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posted June 16, 2016 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have done it for myself.

Comparing the predictive charts with my natal (using the date of 20th june and keeping the orb at 1 degree and actually preferring 30 minutes or less; exception being the angles sometimes)

SR Solar Return
VR Venus Return
LR Lunar Return
p secondary progressions
tp tertiary progresions
sa solar arc

n Sun square SR Node 0°25
n Sun conjunct SR hCupido 0°35
n Sun conjunct VR hCupido 0°28
n Sun conjunct LR hCupido 0°29
n Sun trine tp BML 0°28


n Moon sextile SR Uranus 0°31
Moon sextile LR Uranus 0°03
Moon trine LR BML 0°14
Moon square sa MC 007


Mercury conj. SR Cupido 0°17
Mercury square LR Chiron 0°12
Mercury trine p Moon 0°43
Mercury sextile pMercury 0°07
Mercury trine pVertex 0°49
(pMoon conjunct pVX this month)


Venus opp. SR Vertex 0°36
Venus conjunct LR ASC 1°45
Venus conjunct pMars 1°00
Venus opp. pVulkanus 0°14
Venus opp. tp Venus 0°32
Venus square sa BML 0°37


Mars opp. LR Venus 0°51
(Mars opp. LR Sun 1!50)
Mars opp. LR Vesta 0°18
Mars trine pJuno 0°15
Mars opp. tp Moon 0°38
Mars trine tp ASC 0°35


Jupiter trine VR Juno 0°59
Jupiter conj. LR Neptune 0°44
Jupiter square p Neptune 0°01
Jupiter trine tp Node 0°15

Saturn trine SR Chiron 0°10
Saturn square SR Uranus 0°22
Saturn square VR Uranus 0°05
Saturn square VR BML 0°23
Saturn opp. LR Pluto 0°09

Uranus conj. SR JUno 1°00
Uranus conj. LR BML 0°39
Uranus conj. LR Juno 0°08
Uranus opp. tp Chiron 0°10

Neptune conj. SR Saturn 0°21


Pluto sextile SR Saturn 0°30
Pluto trine VR Sun 0°35

ASC square SR Neptune 0°15
DESC conjunct LR Moon 0°00
seriously what is going on this month????

DESC trine sa MErcury 0°18
ASC trine sa BML 0°15


MC square pMars 0°08
IC conj. pJuno 0°27
MC trine tp MOon 0.11
MC square tp Venus 0°37
MC square sa Hades 0°00

NN conj. SR Saturn 0°34

Vx square SR Mars 0°42
VX trine sa Pluto 0°07

BML square SR ASC 0°09
BML opp. pMoon 0.09
BML opp. pVX 0.16

Juno conj. SR Chiron 0.09
Juno conj. SR IC 0.55
Juno conj. VR DESC 1.50
Juno sextile LR Pluto 0.009
Juno conj. LR SN 1.09
Juno trine sa MC 0.18

hCupido opp. sa Juno 0.13

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posted June 16, 2016 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes. It's accurate but we also can't forget about transits as well to the composite and progressed composite and To natals and progressed natals and transits to tertiary progressions as well.

If the person or composite aspects the solar return tremendously especially if the solar return or Venus or lunar return vertex is aspecting the other person majorly in synastry especially along with the composite that is HUGE IMO. Also CERI, I love using overlays with the composite the natal of the other person and your own natal with the solar return especially if name asteroids are in a relationship house and it's overlaying the solar returns relationship house that also can tell you details as well. I can describe an example for you if you'd like?

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posted June 16, 2016 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you think it's ok to compare solar return chart to solar return chart? And solar to natal? Has anybody tested that? Whether it reflects what really goes on in your relationship? His solar Venus in my solar 7H, my solar Mars in his solar 5H. Looks pretty, right? But would you actually feel that overlay? Another year I looked at, there are mutual Mars/Venus conjunctions - my solar Venus to his natal Mars and my solar Mars to his natal Venus, both 0-1 degree orb.

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posted June 16, 2016 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you use me as example?

I think I get what you mean and totally agree but feelings a Bit cottonbrained today

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posted June 16, 2016 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bzw i come to rely more and more on the composite esp. With overlays to the natal and transits

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posted June 16, 2016 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Solar to natal are a big thing esp. If tight (houseoverlays need actual aspects to Manifest something ). Solar to solar i am Not sure about or maybe if at the same time overlaying the natal. How ever i might be biased because our birthdays are just one Day apart so we have pretty much the same solar every year

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posted June 16, 2016 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Can you use me as example?

I think I get what you mean and totally agree but feelings a Bit cottonbrained today


Yessssss I can use you but can you include your name asteroids?

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posted June 16, 2016 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Bzw i come to rely more and more on the composite esp. With overlays to the natal and transits

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posted June 16, 2016 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceridwen, are the aspects you listed synastry? Whose who? I'd love to see the charts so I can use you as an example.

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posted June 16, 2016 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Angel

No that is just my individual chart. I was flabbergasted about my lunar return this month though. I will Post the charts

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posted June 16, 2016 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
btw what charts do you need?

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posted June 16, 2016 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the natal charts:


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pr charts for 20th june

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pr charts for 12th august (the time of the Get-together )
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posted June 16, 2016 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
btw what charts do you need?

Can I get the solar return and Venus return as well?

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posted June 16, 2016 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Solar
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His Solar

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posted June 16, 2016 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my Venus Return


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his Venus Return

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posted June 16, 2016 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my lunar Return for 20th June

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his lunar Return for 20th June


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posted June 16, 2016 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well and the lunar Return for august, I mean after all Iam going to see him on stage on 5th and 6th, and then the week after it he scheduled the "Get Together"

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This one looks not uninteresting I Guess in terms of name asteroids.

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posted June 16, 2016 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks!!!

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posted June 16, 2016 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did I overdo it? Shall I edit out some chart again?

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posted June 16, 2016 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Did I overdo it? Shall I edit out some chart again?

No it's okay it's perfect! I'm looking at them

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posted June 16, 2016 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
okay i looked at the charts but there is a lot of things to see here. One of the things that i noticed is that in the progressed composite the vertex is conjunct the DESCENDENT and TRANSIT JUPITER is gonna HIT that! possibly something may happen with that....i wonder if you have anything aspecting the progressed composite vertex on the descendent in virgo. Well, look at this its hitting his natal DESCENDENT! i would see the transits of when Jupiter will enter virgo 25 degrees....

your gonna meet up with Mr. Sag right? like what kind of meet up is it gonna be? will you two be alone?

It also overlays your natal 9th house squaring your 7th ruler mercury and the 9th ruler sun in the 1st house. and his name asteroid in both of your solar returns is conjuct the progressed composite vertex/DESC as well and i would be curious to see how that would manifest when Jupiter hits that. That is so CUTE! both of your name asteroids in the solar return are squaring each other!!!! omg sooooooo cute and adorable !!! how do you feel about that? especially since its aspecting your natal 7th ruler his DESC/Saturn/Vertex as well awwwww.

i know Transit saturn is not technically on your progressed composite neptune which is the chart ruler of your progressed composite and original composite 2nd ruler neptune but how did you feel when transit saturn conjunct the composite chart ruler neptune?? tell me i would love to know!!! also tell me about transit uranus squaring your composite moon in the 12th house? i see that his natal venus is conjunct the composite moon and uranus is going to square that or is already squaring the composite moon I'm sure he can feel it possibly. what do you think?

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posted June 17, 2016 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Angel!


"i wonder if you have anything aspecting the progressed composite vertex on the descendent in virgo. Well, look at this its hitting his natal DESCENDENT!"
yes, I kinda noticed that, too.
Even though the progressed DESC moving towards his natal DESC will take some time to perfect, but it might be that the development started.


pr c-Vertex 25°58 Virgo
pr c-DESC 23°58 Virgo

his n DESC 25°38 Virgo
his n Saturn 26°42 Virgo
his n Vertex 28°31 Virgo

my n Mercury 25°03 Sag
my n Sun 25°56 Sag


"i would see the transits of when Jupiter will enter virgo 25 degrees...."
On the day of the "Get together" Tr Jupiter will be at 24°16 Virgo

It will enter 25 Virgo in the late night of the 16th august, 4 days after the event.


"your gonna meet up with Mr. Sag right? like what kind of meet up is it gonna be? will you two be alone?"
No, not alone.

it will be a fanmeeting before another concert; just thought it was almost funny but the last time we met we were asking him if something was planned and he said they were already at the planning stage - though his hesitants were completely oblivious that they were planning something already - (seriously I think he made the decision to have one the moment we asked. lol)

anyway he also was sort of asking us if august were okay for us, because that was pretty much the only free space in his calendar, but he wanted to know if it was even manageable for us. It really surprised me, as I got the feeling like hew as pretty much picking the date WITH us, instead of just telling us.

Oh and he avoids calling it a fanmeeting (he has also limited the number of participants for this one) he instead calls it "Get-together with fanfriends for Coffee and cake". lol

Anyway no of course we won´t be alone, but I hope it will be fun nevertheless. It was last time at least. Well to me it was, as he was around me pretty much all throughout the evening, but then I guess we just share this sense of humour, and he likes teasing me. lol


2That is so CUTE! both of your name asteroids in the solar return are squaring each other!!!! omg sooooooo cute and adorable !!! 2
lol

Don`t know about cute and adorable, but actually when we first met our name asteroids were exactly square each other, too.
his transiting name was exact on my DESC, my transiting name was conjunct my name in his chart and additionally on the progressed Eros-Psyche-conjunction. And well yes, just a few days after meeting he was having a CERI-return. lol

so it is funny that once again our names are square.


"el when transit saturn conjunct the composite chart ruler neptune??"
Well Tr saturn was conjunct MY Neptune and his Mercury and actually our first meeting chart`s ASC.
how does it feel?
I am not alltogether sure. real - I guess.
with all the boundaries and restrictions, but it feels very down to earth and real. Sometimes it is dampening, but at other times it just feels very constructive as a matter of fact.

"tell me i would love to know!!! also tell me about transit uranus squaring your composite moon in the 12th house? i see that his natal venus is conjunct the composite moon and uranus is going to square that"
Yes, though it will turn retro again before perfecting the square. But he is getting a taste of what is to come for him I guess, and our Moon-Mars in composite is of course being hit, and at the same time Tr Pluto on our composite Venus.

Well Tr Uranus is actually slowly applying to the midpoint of his Venus-Juno-opposition in his natal. I think that`s interesting.

What it means? I am not sure.

and well he is married after all (and his first born son has Uranus in 4th house in a neat little T-square or Grand Cross I forget with NN-MC and Venus-Uranus-Pluto).
Interestingly that Uranusf eatured in his marriage chart as well, with Tr Uranus being opposite Juno and quinkunx Jupiter and his name exact, and semisextile Chiron exact as well (Jupiter opposes Chiron). all on 17-18 degrees of the sign.


Anyway it`s a little weird that there is so much Uranus there, yet the months following his marriage he seemed so "down" almost to the point that I started worrying about him.
He seems to be better again though; well there was a decidedly insane vibe when we last met, resulting in that facebook drama I mentioned on some thread here.

Still it makes me almost laugh, but I just randomly commented when we met, that he seems to have been very uninterested in being communicative/sharing recently. Did not complain, just pointing it out, and well I remember he gave me a weird look, somehow I felt like I was being x-rayed all at once.

but what is so hilarious is that since that day he has been very present again. In fact started that habit to do podcasts with his best friend, just chatting about basically nothing. lol, and put them online. One hour chitchat, and he seems to really have found joy in this again, at least his old energy seems to return. Luckily.
Mr Sag was starting to make a Scorpio look cheerful and carefree!!!


Well I must admit I find a childish joy in it as well, and can`t keep myself from commenting on certain things, like what films are good and which are not, and what colour of jelly beans are favourite ones. You know earthshaking stuff like that!

It`s really a little silly, but I guess we both like that bit of silliness, at least he almost always responds to my silly comments.
Well it`s like a new toy for him, and for me it is actually hilarious to see just how similiar we are in many regards, we even love the same children audio books.


anyway, so no complaining about him being uncommunicative.
I bet he has not heard that complaint often in his life before.

Nevertheless more importantly he seems to have found joy in what he does again. though directly following our meeting and the facebook drama my aquaintances saw him on a concert (I wasn`t there), and remarked on how weird he was, sort of off his game, with his thoughts far away and lost in his own world. Curiously my aquaintance used the same words to describe him on the concert when he was blurting out with this comment that I was driving him crazy. Though she and me did not know each other back then, but we were on the same concert.


Nevertheless obviously he is married and a romantic whatever between us is out of the question. But also obviously we do like each other somewhat. Well I like him pretty much, which came as a surprise to me. I did not expect to stay around that long (or more honestly coming back) or being interested so long (I get bored easily, just he manages to keep me entertained), and even though it is just a little, but even the little glimpses, the more I see of his personality, the more genuinely I like him. And feel very comfortable being myself around him (though sometimes surprise myself with mySELF), while I feel at the same time like he pushes me out of my comfortzone (but only where I need to go).

What he feels I have no clue, but he seems to be rather intrigued with me, and instead of fading away, it seems to get more intense the more we interact. Probably he needs to find a way to navigate this, too.

Personally I think that basis we reached, a loose aquaintanceship or whatever it is and exchange of humour, is a comfortable one and manageable, without risking to slip.

I guess there is some attraction at play, too, but hey I am great in sublimating.
And he`s got a wife and sons to care for.

Curiously I am completely at ease with this (at the moment at least), I just lately get the feeling he might not be. But maybe I am wrong about that, and he`s staring at any random person like this. lol

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posted June 17, 2016 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow!! that's crazy thanks for your response Ceridwen! what kind of band is he in by the way? like what music does he play? i understand if its too personal I'm just very curious do you guys have active LILITH in synastry by the way?

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posted June 17, 2016 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"i wonder if you have anything aspecting the progressed composite vertex on the descendent in virgo. Well, look at this its hitting his natal DESCENDENT!"
yes, I kinda noticed that, too.
Even though the progressed DESC moving towards his natal DESC will take some time to perfect, but it might be that the development started.


pr c-Vertex 25°58 Virgo
pr c-DESC 23°58 Virgo

his n DESC 25°38 Virgo
his n Saturn 26°42 Virgo
his n Vertex 28°31 Virgo

my n Mercury 25°03 Sag
my n Sun 25°56 Sag


"i would see the transits of when Jupiter will enter virgo 25 degrees...."
On the day of the "Get together" Tr Jupiter will be at 24°16 Virgo

It will enter 25 Virgo in the late night of the 16th august, 4 days after the event.

Usually when i see an event occurring i take an orb of 1-2 degrees applying just in me experience i have seen it that way. My progressed venus in capricorn in the 3rd house is conjunct my natal uranus close to exact right now and transit pluto is on it and i defently feel I'm surrounding myself more and more with those that are unconventional, different, more innovative i also find my love life wrapped around plutonic relationships and the unconventional standard.

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