posted June 26, 2016 04:22 PM            

What aspects in synastry might show someone(although known to be coming from a place of caring) to be overly critical of the other person? Or perhaps that is perceived that way of the other person. Would it be saturn? Or mercury(because its communication)

in the synastry these are the aspects im thinking in this case;

Neptune square saturn
sun conjunct saturn
moon square saturn

The saturn is representing the over critical(or at least being perceived as such) person here. I am neptune/sun/moon

Thanks

posted June 28, 2016 01:51 AM            

Todd - I never thought that it could also be coming from Chiron, we do have some Chiron connections in synastry(eg. mine trines their saturn) and there are also a few hard aspects in our own charts.

My Chiron is in the 8th house and in Gemini - as Gemini is a sign of communication and 8th relates to others possessions - can the possessions also relate to other peoples criticism?

Thanks!

Pls dont quote might edit later

posted June 28, 2016 03:22 AM            

@ Todd
Chiron's role in this context makes good sense. I am experiencing this as someone's Chiron is conjunct my NN and Vertex. Also opposite my psyche which lies on the anti-vertex exactly.

posted June 28, 2016 08:21 AM            

Having said that when something goes wrong they are the first to say "i told you....."

Their chiron is sitting right on top of my NN. My chiron is widely conjunt theres.

posted June 28, 2016 03:32 PM            

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posted June 28, 2016 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Saturn8_Me:
@todd, I have Chiron conjunct my Moon and Mars, Square my Mercury & Venus (wide orb), opposing Saturn, and trine Neptune. I don't think that I am critical toward people. I am very lenient towards others (even when the don't deserve it), and am hyper critical toward myself (it's quite ridiculous). Now, I will say that I do have high standards, and I do want the people around me to alway operate at their max potential... but I always check myself before offering to "help", and make sure they THEY want the help also, not just me imposing myself on them (I have a deep fear of being a nagger lol)...
Maybe we have a different definition of what critical means. I am coming from the prospective of tearing others down. I personally could never do that without feeling extremely guilty. If I do "tear a person down", I ALWAYS make sure that I have something better build them back up with.
I am positive that you know what you are doing, maybe there is something else in my chart that does not make me so critical of others (IMO)? I also have Mercury and saturn prominent in my chart, the very same planets that I said are prone to criticize. So it's definitely about the individual and how they "choose to" use that energy.
P.S. I am with you 100% on the scientific approach!

EDIT: I've thought about this... and ok, yes I am critical. It's just I normally repress it and try to give the benefit of the doubt, because I know that people are human and non of us can be perfect.

... I am confused on one thing, though. The way you describe Chiron's other side comes across as, mean/ill will and "holier than thou" to me, is this what you're trying to convey?... To me, if Chiron is indeed critical, its because he is only trying to do what he thinks is best, or he is scared... (yes I have read "scanned" the myth, maybe I'm missing something?)

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hi Satrun8_Me

you have a chiron conjunction with moon and mars. this gives a much more reflective tone and direction to chirons influence. I used the square as a example because that aspect to chiron shows the analytical and critical of chiron much clearly. chiron trines would not have the hard edge as much either.

" I am confused on one thing, though. The way you describe Chiron's other side comes across as, mean/ill will and "holier than thou" to me, is this what you're trying to convey?... To me, if Chiron is indeed critical, its because he is only trying to do what he thinks is best, or he is scared... (yes I have read "scanned" the myth, maybe I'm missing something?)"

I have found that chiron includes an attitude which is it is very intolerant of contradictions or hypocrisy . as long as the balances are even all is well.

and in personal relationships if a chiron chart is offended, the chiron person reacts very strongly. usually by cutting the offending person out of their life. this is very distinct attitude .
because chiron is so thorough in it's analysis, it does seem to have a "holier than thou attitude" of course i'm still referring to a square or quintile aspected chiron. these hard edges are not as apparent with easier aspect such as you moon/chiron conjunct. you internalize the analytical process with compassion.

another point about chiron is that it is associated with intricate or occult knowledge. I have found people that are part of social clubs such as elks or mason etc often have a prominent chiron.

and during October of 1929 when the stock market began it's crash chiron was conjunct the node, forming a station as I recall over the node in October. this is virtually the same aspect, chiron conjunct the node forming a station, when the market crashed in 2008. I personally believe these crashes are engineered and chirons presence show the "occult" knowledge of these cycles.
there are may formations that can make one critical but I am just pointing out that chiron is a prime example of the critical faculty.

in the myth of chiron he is associated with astrology arts and other creative pursuits not just the wounded healer. as I have said, Apollo is credited with giving these skill to chiron but the mythological fact is that Apollo's prominences comes culturally much later than the orgin myth of chiron.

todd

posted June 30, 2016 05:55 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
the biggest single factor symbolizing a critical and over critical mind is chiron.
current astrological writing only emphasize a small part of the myth... the wounded healer but if you look at the entire mythology of chiron you find him associated with music astrology and higher learning. though later mythology attributes this to Apollo teach chiron these matters, in fact Apollo,any solar god is a much later cultural acquisition. in earlier mythology chiron ruled these attribute.
we all forget that chiron is the centaur in the sign of Sagittarius for a reason.
chiron in a chart does associate with healing concepts but it is also a sign of a extremely analytical intelligence. at time too analytical as chiron is noted for speaking truths with no tact. chiron is especially concern with coherent words and action. if you offends a chiron dominated chart, they will react by immediately and often permanently cutting you out of their life.

todd

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Thanks for this insights into chiron. I have chiron square my sun-mars-venus stellium in cancer and I can relate to both to cutting off people that offends me and also having "speaking thruth with no tact" I have the need to tell people what I think as a purpose in life. not to convince them of anything, but to give them the opportunity to hear an "honest" diverse opinion. I tend to think that most people sugarcoat what they say and then nobody gets the opportunity to know how others see them.. then i provide uninvited opinions with the best of intension i should say, but those close to me say i have not tact...

posted July 07, 2016 08:31 AM            

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Originally posted by VacantGazer:
Hello,

What aspects in synastry might show someone(although known to be coming from a place of caring) to be overly critical of the other person? Or perhaps that is perceived that way of the other person. Would it be saturn? Or mercury(because its communication)

in the synastry these are the aspects im thinking in this case;

Neptune square saturn
sun conjunct saturn
moon square saturn

The saturn is representing the over critical(or at least being perceived as such) person here. I am neptune/sun/moon

Thanks

Thoughts?

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yes, i believe it is saturn. with saturn square to your neptune, the person finds you unrealistic, messy and living in a dreaming worlds without substance. he-she critizises of question your lack of realism. with the moon they find you childish in your emotional expression, they want you to become more emotionally independent and in doing so they withdraw emotionally support in the moment you more needed it. so you "learn" that you are alone in the world and nobody can support you other than yourself..

with sun-saturn, i have just found that person just dont want you to be yourself. they feel as the more your become a unique individual trying to make a mark in the world, they get annoyed and call think you are a show off. they just dont want you to express your individuality..