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CuriousV
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posted July 06, 2016 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys!

You all seem to be extremely knowledgeable on this forum. I would greatly appreciate your help with reading this chart? I am really interested in this Pisces man. Do we have a promising potential? Or do you see more of the negative aspects? Thank you!

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posted July 06, 2016 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have some VERY intense aspects, and almost all of the aspects that are prone to result in obsession from both parts. So I'd say - yes, IF a relationship starts, it will last and it will be very intense and tumultuous.

Some of your synastry aspects for attraction and obsession/attraction:

Venus opposite Pluto
Mars conjunct Pluto
Pluto square Moon
Pluto trine Moon
Venus sextille Mars
ASC/DSC angles conjunct ( if the birth data is correct)
Amor conjunct Venus

Your aspects for longevity:
Sun- Saturn opposition
Sun-Saturn conjunction
Node - Saturn conjunction
Saturn - MC conjunction
Mars- Saturn conjunction

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CuriousV
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posted July 06, 2016 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for your input, Orange!

I always thought/read that Saturn aspects are bad in a relationship. And I read that especially with Mars/Saturn aspect, the relationship will turn bad. No? Maybe it depends on what sign Mars and Saturn are as well as the houses they fall into...

When I saw so much red, opposition and Saturn aspects in our synastry, I got scared that we may not be a good match.

Also, when you say "intense" and "obsession", is that the good energy or would you say it would be destructive? Again, I am not sure if signs/houses matter here.

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CuriousV
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posted July 06, 2016 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And what can you say about having Moon in Gemini? Wouldn't a person be kinda dual in their moods/emotions? Not very stable when it comes to committing and always wanting a change?

His Gem Moon falls into my 7th house of relationship and opposes my Neptune. Is that of any significance?

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posted July 07, 2016 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there

I tried to do a write-up for your synastry and got confused, and didn't want to make any kind of guess about how it will turn out. Looks deep but potentially hurtful in the end? Some fault lines, and I don't know how serious they are.

I love that you have:

* Matching nodes. Your NN conjunct Virgo sun & MC, his SN conjunct Pisces sun & MC.
* ASC/DSC conjunction
* Juno opposing Juno

That's enough to make me think you will be important to each other.

Then you have some mirroring: You have a Cap moon, he's got moon square Saturn? I can't see the degrees but I use wide orbs for luminaries. So he's probably a more serious Gemini moon. Actually his moon might be on the sun/Saturn midpoint, too. However it is in the first house. So, I would imagine him to be serious yet sometimes a little too talkative or insistent about things, especially since Mars rules and squares his moon, and is conjunct Jupiter.

Because of his mutable t-squares, I am guessing he must have a lot of conflicting desires, maybe some gaps in self-awareness that could negatively impact the people he is closest to. But his Virgo planets strive to put everything in order and give an appearance of structure. He might train himself to enjoy that which is super meticulous, just to keep his focus there, freeing him from the turbulence of underlying emotions. His Saturn opposing Mercury makes him think before he speaks and try to make very good points. Your Saturn conjunct Mercury can fully relate to his approach and mannerisms, but his Mars-Jupiter conjunct your Mercury-Saturn could translate to frustration: the more he tries to convince you of something, the more you stonewall him and feel some hurt (because Mercury rules your sun, you take Mars' attacks on Mercury more personally).

Your Saturn looks like it is widely conjunct his NN, his Saturn conjunct your NN, looks karmic, but possibly stiff and hypercritical in some situations.

You have Neptune in the first house and that Pisces SN, so you may have a tendency to want to lapse into dreaming, and with his Pisces sun, Venus Aries trine your Neptune, and moon opposing Neptune, he could do that quite well, appeal to your imagination. Yet your practical Cap moon in the second house stays grounded and might even over-react when things get a little too nebulous or irritating in ways that are hard to define. It's as if your dream natures clash sometimes, and then his Gemini moon clashes with your Cap moon head-on, and there seems to be an exaggerated battle of wills over something that is actually more like nothing. Just emotional dissonance.

However, I wouldn't expect that to be too terribly upsetting...he's got a 10H sun, after all, and you both just look like reasonable people trying to forge something that is both fun and serious at once.

The composite Saturn is probably conjunct the NN however....so I am just not positive about how long the fun part of it will last? I hate to say that but Saturn-NN in composite can be difficult. His first house Gemini moon squaring the composite nodes may feel overly pressured, out of its comfort zone, and unable to cope after a while. But I REALLY do not know and don't mean to sound negative. This is just how I think out loud.

Anyway, whatever it is, it looks fated to me, and like something that had to happen, for some mysterious reason. You two will learn a lot from each other, I think.

Good luck

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posted July 07, 2016 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wow Faith, thank you so much for a detailed overview.

Unfortunately, and please don't be mad at me I didn't have the correct time of birth for him

Here is the chart with correct times now, plus a Composite if that's easier to read? I also added a couple of asteroids that I read on here were important like Union, Destinn, Sappho, Vesta and Ceres. I am not sure if that makes a difference at all.

Would you and other members of the forum please look at it now and see if it's completely different from the previous chart.

Thank you!!!

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posted July 07, 2016 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The new time gives him a Cancer ASC conjunct your Vertex. That is a soulmate aspect, I've heard, but it might depend on how close they are, and I can't see.

Also now his chart ruler is his moon in the 12th house, which is more compatible with your composite nodal axis (12th house moon is like a Pisces moon; it matches composite Pisces south node.)

I honestly don't know what to make of his 12th house Gemini moon, except he might be into a lot of different spiritual practices, might speak more to his journal than to people, or create song lyrics. Somehow for all his words there might be a sense that you just cannot find him.

And that poses a problem, when it's time to knuckle down on all the details of whatever you two are working on together. It's like you sense he's not all there, and his Pisces Mercury doesn't seem interested in ever explaining things in a way that satisfies you fully...there is always something out of reach. Which can be interesting and challenging at first but possibly feel like a chronic ache or unsatisfied hunger as time goes on? Mercury rules your composite NN so the Mercury disconnect here, and Mercury afflictions, pose some challenges. Only you two will know how workable they are; I think a lot of it depends on maturity and creativity.

Just guessing

I hope others chime in.

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posted July 08, 2016 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
The new time gives him a Cancer ASC conjunct your Vertex. That is a soulmate aspect, I've heard, but it might depend on how close they are, and I can't see.

Also now his chart ruler is his moon in the 12th house, which is more compatible with your composite nodal axis (12th house moon is like a Pisces moon; it matches composite Pisces south node.)

I honestly don't know what to make of his 12th house Gemini moon, except he might be into a lot of different spiritual practices, might speak more to his journal than to people, or create song lyrics. Somehow for all his words there might be a sense that you just cannot find him.

And that poses a problem, when it's time to knuckle down on all the details of whatever you two are working on together. It's like you sense he's not all there, and his Pisces Mercury doesn't seem interested in ever explaining things in a way that satisfies you fully...there is always something out of reach. Which can be interesting and challenging at first but possibly feel like a chronic ache or unsatisfied hunger as time goes on? Mercury rules your composite NN so the Mercury disconnect here, and Mercury afflictions, pose some challenges. Only you two will know how workable they are; I think a lot of it depends on maturity and creativity.

Just guessing

I hope others chime in.


Thank you for your input, Faith!

Do you know anything about the asteroids? Are those important at all? It's just I noticed that there are a few aspects - like:

His Sappho and Psyche conj my IC
My Amor conj his Venus and his MC
My Sappho conj his Destinn
My Isis conj his Valentine
His Union conj my Venus loosely

And also, I have no idea how to read a Composite chart, but a couple of things jumped at me:

Moon in the 7th H
Saturn & NN in the 12th H
Venus in the 4th H

Are these good or bad aspects? I mean in terms of getting along and for a longevity of the relationship?

Is Composite chart more important or accurate than a Synastry chart when looking at a relationship dynamic?

As always, thanks a million!!

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posted July 09, 2016 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump! Todd, Ceridwen, anyone else please?

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posted July 09, 2016 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the synastry I count 16 positive/flowing aspects, and 15 negative/challenging ones. So this synastry is a mixed bag that holds lots of Mercury/communication, Saturn and Pluto-related aspect challenges, and indications of potential unhealthy attachment and jealousies. Not good.

Forget houses and overlays for your purposes here. Those require a serious consult with an astrologer who can first make sure both charts are accurate on the Asc, and they only matter if the aspects are harmonious enough to elaborate further. Relying on recorded birth times does not ensure that. So I did not include those. I also did not include asteroids or other calculated parts (vertex) which only cloud the picture.

The Composite Chart condenses the above-mentioned issues and highlights them even more. Using a 5° orb I count 9 negative/challenging aspects and only 3 positive/flowing ones.
- Mercury square Saturn/N.Node
- Saturn conj N.Node
- Moon opposite Mars
- Sun square Saturn/N.Node
- Saturn square Neptune
... are all aspects that indicate trouble, challenges that to me indicate too much 'working at it' and not enough good clear communication to support problem solving, and certainly not enough pleasure.

You can do better. The goal is a clear majority of positive aspects.

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posted July 11, 2016 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
[b]In the synastry I count 16 positive/flowing aspects, and 15 negative/challenging ones. So this synastry is a mixed bag that holds lots of Mercury/communication, Saturn and Pluto-related aspect challenges, and indications of potential unhealthy attachment and jealousies. Not good.

Forget houses and overlays for your purposes here. Those require a serious consult with an astrologer who can first make sure both charts are accurate on the Asc, and they only matter if the aspects are harmonious enough to elaborate further. Relying on recorded birth times does not ensure that. So I did not include those. I also did not include asteroids or other calculated parts (vertex) which only cloud the picture.

The Composite Chart condenses the above-mentioned issues and highlights them even more. Using a 5° orb I count 9 negative/challenging aspects and only 3 positive/flowing ones.
- Mercury square Saturn/N.Node
- Saturn conj N.Node
- Moon opposite Mars
- Sun square Saturn/N.Node
- Saturn square Neptune
... are all aspects that indicate trouble, challenges that to me indicate too much 'working at it' and not enough good clear communication to support problem solving, and certainly not enough pleasure.

You can do better. The goal is a clear majority of positive aspects.

[/B]


Wow, this is pretty negative What about all of the positive aspects? I know that Saturn aspects are pretty tough but are you really saying that it's that bad that all of the good ones that we have ASC/Vertix, Venus/Mars and so forth are not going to balance it out or outweigh the negative impact of Saturn?

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