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Topic: Feminine Moon and Masculine Sun
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comdoc Knowflake Posts: 475 From: Tucson Registered: Feb 2015
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posted July 08, 2016 10:36 PM
Watched a video lesson from Ernst Wilhelm in which he talks about meaning of natal aspects and conditions to Moon and Sun.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2hW9YoiObQ Basically, the feminine Moon condition relates to how well she acts as a female. While masculine Sun relates to how well he acts as a male. This is related to previous post about composite Sun conjunct composite Moon, and wants and needs syncing up in an easy way together. This is huge! Sun/Moon aspects within each individual and in their midpoint composite affect how easily they can relate to one another--and with others as a couple. The best real world personal example I have is my beloved first wife. Our natal Suns are trine by sign, and Moons are also trine by sign! Midpoint composite chart of our relationship shows Leo Moon and Aquarius Sun (opposite by sign). This is the second most powerful possible Sun/Moon composite aspect (after conjunction). Our real world relationship was glorious, with a good balance between masculine and feminine characteristics. If we use near midpoints, my Aries Sun and Gemini Moon with her Sag Sun and Libra Moon yield the second most powerful possible composite Sun and Moon aspect: Aquarius Sun opposite Leo Moon! My Aries Sun and Gemini Moon with a mate's Gemini Sun and Aries Moon yield Taurus Sun conjunct Moon (conjunction most powerful). My Aries Sun and Gemini Moon with a mate's Leo Sun and Gemini Moon yield composite Gemini Sun conj Gemini Moon. My dream lover born 8/17/87 fits!
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 67097 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 09, 2016 08:44 AM
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Belage Knowflake Posts: 2272 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 10, 2016 10:49 PM
Fascinating. Sounds like the quintessential Yin Yang relationship.What are the nodes and Saturn placements in the synastry and composite? IP: Logged |
comdoc Knowflake Posts: 475 From: Tucson Registered: Feb 2015
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posted July 11, 2016 12:37 AM
My NN in her Taurus 1H, her Pisces NN and POF in my 8H. My Leo Saturn in her 5H, her Libra Saturn in my 2H.Composite Aries NN conj Lust in 11H. Comp 3H Saturn in Virgo. quote: Originally posted by Belage: Fascinating. Sounds like the quintessential Yin Yang relationship.What are the nodes and Saturn placements in the synastry and composite?
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Belage Knowflake Posts: 2272 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 11, 2016 09:26 AM
just going by signs, you have DW of Saturn/Sun ontacts, and Saturn/moon contacts.And NN on ascendant can a very strong bond. You said she was your "beloved first wife". Sorry to ask, but did she pass away? IP: Logged |
comdoc Knowflake Posts: 475 From: Tucson Registered: Feb 2015
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posted July 11, 2016 09:37 AM
She did not pass away. She chose not to follow me to new job opportunity in another state. So we got a no-fault divorce, split our belongings, and amicably parted after 7 glorious inseparable years. She still appears in my dreams as my wife to this day. Uranus is on the ASC in our composite chart. quote: Originally posted by Belage: just going by signs, you have DW of Saturn/Sun ontacts, and Saturn/moon contacts.And NN on ascendant can a very strong bond. You said she was your "beloved first wife". Sorry to ask, but did she pass away?
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Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 6519 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 14, 2016 06:42 PM
Not so for every SUN conjunct MOON in composite. Obviously. But, depending upon circumstances in the actual real world, it could be a nice compatibility. IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 2443 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted July 14, 2016 10:37 PM
Ah interesting, LUNAR PHASES.As we see here the COCHRANE (david u know ;D) attuned opposing phases. Comdoc is born under a WAXING sextile and he keeps attracting WANING sextiles, which indeed becomes the composite NEW MOON (globally at the least). Also the compo FULL MOON (opp.) is derived from a waning sextile (not less powerful I would say) in combo with the waxing one. But there are more lunar phase combos I discovered which are very much attracted to each other. These are what I call the "astronomically tuned opposing phases" by lack of a better term. Like: conj to opp (and vice versa) or waning trine to waxing sextile (and vice versa) or waxing quincunx to waning semi-sextile etc. etc. OR... SAME PHASE angles, also very interesting combo but these are romantically less common and likely more attracted on a friendship level. But our most outstanding example for this one would be Linda & Paul, both having their Moon exactly 45-46 deg past the Sun. Striking that it's about EXACT. Comdoc, what are your experiences with specifically WANING trines? (the waxing trines are also worth mentioning). IP: Logged |
comdoc Knowflake Posts: 475 From: Tucson Registered: Feb 2015
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posted July 14, 2016 11:09 PM
Not sure what you mean, Auby. Could you give a few examples? quote: Originally posted by Aubyanne: Not so for every SUN conjunct MOON in composite. Obviously. But, depending upon circumstances in the actual real world, it could be a nice compatibility.
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comdoc Knowflake Posts: 475 From: Tucson Registered: Feb 2015
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posted July 14, 2016 11:43 PM
Originally posted by mir: "Ah interesting, LUNAR PHASES.As we see here the COCHRANE (david u know ;D) attuned opposing phases." "Comdoc is born under a WAXING sextile and he keeps attracting WANING sextiles, which indeed becomes the composite NEW MOON (globally at the least). Also the compo FULL MOON (opp.) is derived from a waning sextile (not less powerful I would say) in combo with the waxing one." Yes, Mir, I do tend to attract waning sextiles: Libra Moon + Sag Sun (former wife), Gemini Moon + Leo Sun (one of my top two favorites: 8/17/87. "But there are more lunar phase combos I discovered which are very much attracted to each other. These are what I call the "astronomically tuned opposing phases" by lack of a better term. Like: conj to opp (and vice versa) or waning trine to waxing sextile (and vice versa) or waxing quincunx to waning semi-sextile etc. etc." I can see why this would apply. New Moon is balanced with Full Moon: like Yin and Yang. Sun/Moon trines and sextiles both represent easy integration of basic outer type with inner feelings. "OR... SAME PHASE angles, also very interesting combo but these are romantically less common and likely more attracted on a friendship level. But our most outstanding example for this one would be Linda & Paul, both having their Moon exactly 45-46 deg past the Sun. Striking that it's about EXACT." Same phase angle placement (waxing sext) I'm attracted to is Leo Sun+Libra Moon; Leo Sun conj my ASC, and trine my Aries Sun and Sag Jupiter. Libra Moon opp my Aries Sun, and trine my Gemini Moon. 8/3/92 Karlie Kloss is one of my top two favorites. Comdoc, what are your experiences with specifically WANING trines? (the waxing trines are also worth mentioning).[/B][/QUOTE] Attractive waxing trines would be Aries Sun + Leo Moon, Sag Sun + Aries Moon. Waning trines are Aries Moon + Leo Sun, Leo Moon + Sag Sun. No real life experience yet with these. IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 2443 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted July 16, 2016 01:18 AM
Yes in your case it's very striking that they all have the fire and air combo like yourself. I mean, why not a Cap/Scorp waning combo for example, but well that might relate to the already easy going natal sextile phase. Look at me for example; born under a waxing square in the fixed signs Leo/Scorp (bbrrrr ow yea Ernst is so right about that Moon in friction) letting me attract immer & always Sun OR Moon (often both) in a fixed sign to cross my square for more (or an equal amount of) conflict. Usually they also had a 4th harmonic lunar phase. And the last one (sort of "current" still yet hehe ~ as usual ;D) ... Taurus-Sun $ Aqua-Moon (WANING square).. (get it? *ahum*) - always on the edge of a break could be my relationship motto. ***I can see why this would apply. New Moon is balanced with Full Moon: like Yin and Yang. Sun/Moon trines and sextiles both represent easy integration of basic outer type with inner feelings***. Yesss.. To make it a bit more basal for a moment; ps ^ I wish I belonged to the waning half, it feels so relaxed, calm, reassuring ... Wonder if the waning halves would say that about the waxing side ;D Specifically the part I'm born under (9 deg past the waxing square): Resistance: Moving out; leaving source/security against my counterpart (9 deg past the waning square); Resistance: stopping outer activity IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 2443 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted July 16, 2016 02:24 AM
Edit@ wow.. I was thinking suddenly.. my new kitten / cat by now almost - is an Aries with Moon in Gem (EXACT waxing sextile) ... but that totally fell into place in relation to my progressed lunar phase: an EXACT waning sextile (virgo/cancer). So yea that gave us an exact progressed compo New Moon when I got him (minute matter amazingly enough). IP: Logged |
comdoc Knowflake Posts: 475 From: Tucson Registered: Feb 2015
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posted July 16, 2016 03:25 AM
Mir wrote: "I mean, why not a Cap/Scorp waning combo for example, but well that might relate to the already easy going natal sextile phase."The Fire/Air is about harmonic pattern completion. Scorpio Moon on my SN squares my Leo stellium, and Capricorn Sun squares my Aries Mercury and Sun--and my Libra Neptune. Taurus early or late avoids direct square to my Leo planets. "Look at me for example; born under a waxing square in the fixed signs Leo/Scorp (bbrrrr ow yea Ernst is so right about that Moon in friction) letting me attract immer & always Sun OR Moon (often both) in a fixed sign to cross my square for more (or an equal amount of) conflict. Usually they also had a 4th harmonic lunar phase. And the last one (sort of "current" still yet hehe ~ as usual ;D) ... Taurus-Sun $ Aqua-Moon (WANING square).. (get it? *ahum*) - always on the edge of a break could be my relationship motto." Yes, pattern completion again, forming a fixed Grand Square. That must fulfill and balance you both! With Leo Sun and Scorpio Moon, Aqua Moon and Taurus Sun makes double Full Moon energy. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 2848 From: intimate sky dot net Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 17, 2016 09:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by mir: Yes in your case it's very striking that they all have the fire and air combo like yourself. I mean, why not a Cap/Scorp waning combo for example, but well that might relate to the already easy going natal sextile phase. Look at me for example; born under a waxing square in the fixed signs Leo/Scorp (bbrrrr ow yea Ernst is so right about that Moon in friction) letting me attract immer & always Sun OR Moon (often both) in a fixed sign to cross my square for more (or an equal amount of) conflict. Usually they also had a 4th harmonic lunar phase. And the last one (sort of "current" still yet hehe ~ as usual ;D) ... Taurus-Sun $ Aqua-Moon (WANING square).. (get it? *ahum*) - always on the edge of a break could be my relationship motto. ***I can see why this would apply. New Moon is balanced with Full Moon: like Yin and Yang. Sun/Moon trines and sextiles both represent easy integration of basic outer type with inner feelings***. Yesss.. To make it a bit more basal for a moment; ps ^ I wish I belonged to the waning half, it feels so relaxed, calm, reassuring ... Wonder if the waning halves would say that about the waxing side ;D Specifically the part I'm born under (9 deg past the waxing square): [b]Resistance: Moving out; leaving source/security against my counterpart (9 deg past the waning square); Resistance: stopping outer activity [/B]
Wonderful table there! Thank you so much, you are a wealth of new information! It's all so intuitive and simple, and yet so profound and useful. The best kind! My partner has Moon at 0 aries and Sun at 21 Aries; I have Moon at 8 Capricorn and Sun at 21 Scorpio. So mine is waxing, 17 degrees 'new' I guess?-- and his is waning, 21 degrees (new as well, perhaps?)... He certainly fits that description in your table, and I fit mine. I can tell you from witnessing his resistance to stuff that it isn't always peaceful being the waning one (I'm not the one experiencing it, but his resistance to input seems very stressful in itself!). IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 2443 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted July 18, 2016 12:18 AM
quote: Wonderful table there! Thank you so much, you are a wealth of new information! It's all so intuitive and simple, and yet so profound and useful. The best kind!
You get it, great~! For so many reasons.., yes yess yesss. quote: My partner has Moon at 0 aries and Sun at 21 Aries; I have Moon at 8 Capricorn and Sun at 21 Scorpio. So mine is waxing, 17 degrees 'new' I guess?-- and his is waning, 21 degrees (new as well, perhaps?)...
Globally yes: New Moon. But I'm convinced there's a big gap between being born right BEFORE (waning) the NM or right after (waxing). A world of difference. There's completion in this case. You see it a lot in relationships and theoretically the "perfect" version of this would be the same amount of degrees from the New Moon on both sides which would result in the Composite New Moon exact. Your case reminded me of my parents; dad: Sun 5 Cap / Moon 11 Sag mom: Sun 24 Leo / 12 Libra ^ close to 'new' both, waxing and waning. So, your guy and my dad, born under; Inertial regressive pull: to stay active and outer-directed You and mom; Movement: outward, away from source ***I can tell you from witnessing his resistance to stuff that it isn't always peaceful being the waning one (I'm not the one experiencing it, but his resistance to input seems very stressful in itself!).*** ^ can definitely confirm that with dad (compared to mom whoops - worldddd of..) - - - - - -
I can imagine that the table I gave above wouldn't catch me if had not deeply visualized and absorbed this Lunar phase wheel first (that's why again ;D...);
OW, btw, here the link from that table; The Astrological Cycle and the Four Gates of Initiation http://www.cosmicwindow.com/cycles.html
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