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Saturn8_Me
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posted July 13, 2016 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saturn8_Me     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted July 13, 2016 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My opinion?
I am with Blashke on this one, unaspected planets only rarely exist.

I would only consider a planet unaspected if it had no

a) no parallel/contraparallel to another planet (major aspect!(

b) no minor aspect (though I specifically consider the semisquare, sesisquare and quinkunx here, and possibly quintile. in my observation those do show pretty clearly, though sometimes more subtly than major aspects (I cannot say the same for the septile series though).


c) no midpoint falling onto that planet within an orb of about 1 degree.


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posted July 13, 2016 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Does it help that it is conjunct NN 2.39degrees, although, out of sign?"
I donīt know if it *helps*, but to me it indicates that Mars-energy or symbolism needs to be incorporated an expressed in this relationship in very real terms (being active together, build a house, have sex, train each other to run a marathon, join a sportsclub, learn to argue and debate constructively etc.).

I think since your Mars is not as integrated (even with my "conditions", as I see it has only a semisquare to Sun, which in itself is pretty strong I think, but also a little lopsided, since it has no semisqurae to the other side, no sesisquares, to form a coherent aspectpattern).

I donīt know maybe it`s parallel something, or on the midpoint of two planets.


Anyway even if it stays rather loosely integrated, being placed on the NN indicates that it is really emphasized, which might be a little difficult to combine with the rest of the chart.

(and if he starts behaving like an arrogant or overly jealous and sexistic prick, you gotta learn to kick his butt for it. )


"... Does it also help that natally my ASC-NN & his IC-CERES are conjunct Davison Mars?"
It places a lot of emphasis on that Mars, not sure it helps, but it indicates that it is a core purpose for you two, and both of you are very strongly connected to the Mars-energy of that chart, evne if you do not know yet how to express it constructively.

"Any opinions on how Davisons work in general?"
Some people would disagree on that Davisons are valid, then again other people would disagree that composites work.

I am convinced of composites, but I keep an open mind about Davison, and I found it in recent months to be EXTREMELY sensitive to transits. Whatever was triggered, it showed in the real world!

So I think for now I adhere to what Dawn Bodrogi wrote about them, that they are more about that which we see actually manifest, sort of an event-chart in relation to a couple.
But composite do show that as well, though differently.

So in short I have not made up my mind completely yet.

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posted July 13, 2016 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would love to hear more about the successful use of Davidsons, too. Composites really don't resonate with me, and i'm always more interested in looking at synastries....but when I've looked at Davidsons, they seem more interesting to me than composites. Someone on another thread said to read it just like a composite, but....

In this chart, that tight-orbed Venus-Saturn opposition is what leaps out at me! Squaring the MC/IC axis, and right on the vertexes! Hard and maybe painful in this relationship for the people to balance their life paths(MC) and what they look for in home/family (IC)with the relationship. I would guess that one's spiritual self and spiritual way of being in the world, already complicated (1st house Pisces Saturn) is at odds with the other's slightly-nitpicking desire/demand for a daily partnership (Virgo Venus 7th house)..,.

I don't think I would have paid much attention to the unaspected Mars--I've seen a lot of charts where it doesn't feel like an unaspected planet either dominates the chart or disappears. I'd look more at the Mars placement--critical degree Scorp in the 8th, the way this relationship takes action is very Scorpionic. If natally your AC/NN are right in that spot, I can see thay adding to the appeal of the relationship for you. We're supposed to follow our NN to become our highest selves, so that Davidson Mars could pull your NN into action.

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posted July 13, 2016 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saturn8_Me     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted July 13, 2016 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Thanks, Mars exactly parallel ASC and parallel NN (a little over 1degree), & of course contra-parallel DESC & SN."
Definitely interesting.


"It also hits the..
-Venus/Jupiter
-Sun/MC
-Jupiter/Saturn
-AC/MC
-Moon/MC, midpoints"
Sounds good to me!, especially Venus/Jupiter and Moon/(MC.

" (just with the ptolemaic aspects, I'll check the rest later)."
To midpoints?
No only conjunction and opposition (direct midpoints) and - possibly- square (but not sure about that even!) count. And only within one degree orb, or 1°30 at MOST.


"Wow... I have never read a more accurate description in my LIFE... You hit the nail right on the head, with that one!! lol"
I am glad it resonates. That means I did something right.


BTW hope you donīt mind the question, but are you a couple?

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posted July 13, 2016 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Saturn8_Me:
Nope. But we've agreed not to see other people, for the moment... The feelings are definitely there, but we are just trying to feel everything out & see what it means (our connection is really weird, to say the least) & take steps constructively. Plus, we are both are really trying to focus on and better ourselves at the moment.. I'm actually scared/reluctant to date him, if that makes any sense... Plus, I definitely don't want to force a commitment, especially if we're not going to end up together. I just want him to be with whomever can love him best & help him along on his destined path (even if it's not me ... but, I do think it's me lol)


I wonder if that's how that 1st house Saturn opposite 7th house Virgo Venus is playing out---you want to be a couple, and he doesn't?

Or is it that you both embody the entire opposition---both of you have ambivalence about actually being together? I wonder with Davidsons if it makes more sense to read dynamics as shared by both partners, or as one partner embodies each planet in an aspect (like, one person "is" Venus, the other "is" Saturn in the chart)? This is one reason I find synastries more resonant than partner charts.

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posted July 14, 2016 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which "feels" more like your actual in real life relationship with each other: this Davison, or your composite, or your progressed composite?

Everything you're describing in your relationship does seem to show up in the Davison.

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posted July 15, 2016 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Saturn8_Me:

[b]Bottom Line:
So maybe all 3 charts work?[/B]

Yes.

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posted July 20, 2016 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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