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moonstruck87
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posted July 28, 2016 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonstruck87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Idk why, but I randomly wondered if this was even a thing to consider...

Anyone here tried it?


I cast mine w/me and my boyfriend's SR charts but didn't really try to interpret it lol

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posted July 28, 2016 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that is a very interesting concept. I don't use solar returns very much so I had never thought of that.

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posted July 28, 2016 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonstruck87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
that is a very interesting concept. I don't use solar returns very much so I had never thought of that.

todd


Hi Todd, do you use any forecasting methods?

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posted July 28, 2016 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by moonstruck87:
Hi Todd, do you use any forecasting methods?

I mostly use transiting nodes and planets. a little bit of progression but only as a supplementary technique

you might try two solar returns with a moment chart tri composite

I use my natal and the moment chart composites a lot.

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posted July 28, 2016 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
todd, that's intriguing. what is your main focus on the natal/moment chart? Do you factor in transits to that composite?

I suppose a solar return composite or compare to present date would be something to ponder.

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posted July 29, 2016 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by moonstruck87:

you might try two solar returns with a moment chart tri composite

I use my natal and the moment chart composites a lot.

todd


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posted July 29, 2016 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
todd, that's intriguing. what is your main focus on the natal/moment chart? Do you factor in transits to that composite?

I suppose a solar return composite or compare to present date would be something to ponder.


yes I use transits to the moment/natal composite.of course I focus on the node as is usual for me.
this type of composite is a lazy way to read the effect of the current transits on one's natal, as one only has to focus on the close aspects formed and not sift through all the transiting possibilities.
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posted July 29, 2016 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good deal thanks todd.

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posted July 30, 2016 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I wouldn`t call it "lazy" , but it gives a good overview over the central themes and hence minimizes the confusion about a mass of information, containing both central and background-themes.

I`ve been following my eventcomposites quite regularly this past year, and while I thought there was *something* to them before, it really surprised me how exactly they displayed what happened, especially if taking the close midpoints into account.

Also, while theoretically would have thought transits to those event-composites would overdo it (after all the transits are already incorporated in this kind of composite), they still seem to "target" the central themes in such a composite and make a lot of sense.


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posted July 30, 2016 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HelixID     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Ceridwen

I think I have seen you do a thread about event composites and I'm obsessed with it ever since.

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posted July 30, 2016 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Helix,

yes, I am pretty enarmoured with them myself.

One of the beautiful things about them to me also is that whenever you find a conjunction or opposition in such an event-composite, it means that the planets in question, in the transits repeat the same angular distance as you have in your natal (just in the reverse phase, waning vs waxing), and therefore mirror the natal in a strong way.

For example for the past months (it is a long lasting aspect), I`ve been having Uranus conjunct Neptune in my eventcomposites (it`s at 2 degrees separating by now).


What that means however is that the transiting Uranus - neptune must be in the same angular distance as my natal Uranus-Neptune.


Well my natal Uranus-Neptune has an angular distance of 38°,

while Transit Neptune-Uranus has 34°


The 4 degree difference is the reason the conjunction is not exact in my eventcomposite but comes up with a 2 degree orb (4° divided by 2 because of the two charts comprising the composite).


This week and next week I also have Mercury conjunct Venus by 2 degrees in my event composite (now it is applying, by next saturday it will be separating), which means that the current Mercury-Venus-transiting phase must be the same as my own natal one (with a difference of 4 degrees).


In fact today the Venus-Mercury is 7 degrees, in my natal Mercury-Venus is 11 degrees.
Fits again.

Of course it is temporary and not as long lasting as the Uranus-Neptune one.


Today this actually also coinciding with the Nodes, as in my eventcomposite for today

Node 26 Libra
Mercury 27 Libra
Venus 29 Libra

And curiously enough Iīve been having a Mars-Pluto-conjunction for the recent months (having to do with Mars doing his retrograde motion and doing so right on my natal Mars. lol).

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posted July 30, 2016 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW I never really made a composite of two Solar Returns, but did so now, and made a multi-composite of those two Solar Returns with the last time P and me met in "real life".

I was quite flabbergasted. lol

BTW the Tr Moon was on 18 Virgo EXACt on Tr MC at the time we met.

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it was kinda nice. lol (Despite Chiron)

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posted July 30, 2016 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, I wouldn`t call it "lazy" , but it gives a good overview over the central themes and hence minimizes the confusion about a mass of information, containing both central and background-themes.

I`ve been following my eventcomposites quite regularly this past year, and while I thought there was *something* to them before, it really surprised me how exactly they displayed what happened, especially if taking the close midpoints into account.

Also, while theoretically would have thought transits to those event-composites would overdo it (after all the transits are already incorporated in this kind of composite), they still seem to "target" the central themes in such a composite and make a lot of sense.


I agree totally with you ceridwen. it is amazing that exact days of some activities or occurrences can be seem with the moment composites which are not obvious in a regular transit analysis.

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posted July 30, 2016 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW I never really made a composite of two Solar Returns, but did so now, and made a multi-composite of those two Solar Returns with the last time P and me met in "real life".

I was quite flabbergasted. lol

BTW the Tr Moon was on 18 Virgo EXACt on Tr MC at the time we met.

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it was kinda nice. lol (Despite Chiron)



hmmmm Uranus square to mars and chiron opposed to venus and Jupiter looks a bit ominous.
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posted July 30, 2016 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
I agree totally with you ceridwen. it is amazing that exact days of some activities or occurrences can be seem with the moment composites which are not obvious in a regular transit analysis.

todd


Yes, exactly.

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posted July 30, 2016 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:

hmmmm Uranus square to mars and chiron opposed to venus and Jupiter looks a bit ominous.
todd

No, there wasn`t anything really ominous or nasty; the encounter was pretty nice, at least for me it was.
However, he seemed a bit "unbalanced" the time after that making for an uncharacteristic slightly irrational posting on facebook 3 days later, which did not have anything to do with me personally, but it just showed that the meeting sort of got under his skin, or something about it.
We weren`t alone btw, and the post didn`t have to do with me directly as I said, but sort of something I said triggered it, and it was just a very innocent thing I said.

(though in following his facebook post an aquaintance of mine did an unbelievably rude thing that was definitely out of line - and I was so shocked about it that I was scolding her, which led to a bit of an argument, making for some rather coldish athmosphere between my aquaintance and me but apparently somehow endeared me to his best friend, and well it was a little crazy for a while. lol)

But anyway nothing in our chat was really that dramatic, or unusual, it was just his reaction that was a little out of proportion. But things like that happen, and in fact leading to unusual lines of communication. lol

Weird, almost makes me afraid for seeing him again next week.
But I guess it`s all back to normal again.


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Oh but Uranus wasn`t square Mars.

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posted July 30, 2016 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, there wasn`t anything really ominous or nasty; the encounter was pretty nice, at least for me it was.
However, he seemed a bit "unbalanced" the times after that making of an uncharacteristic slightly irrational eruption on facebook 3 days later, which did not have anything to do with me personally, but it just showed that the meeting sort of got under his skin, or something about it.
We weren`t alone btw, and the outburst didn`t have to do with me as I said, but sort of something I said triggered it, and it was just a very innocent thing I said.

(though in following his facebook post an aquaintance of mine did an unbelievably rude thing that was definitely out of line - and I was so shocked about it that I was scolding her, which let to a bit of an argument, making for some rather coldish athmosphere between my aquaintance and me but apparently somehow endeared me to his best friend, and well it was a little crazy for a while. lol)

But anyway nothing in our chat was really that dramatic, or unusual, it was just his reaction that was a little out of proportion. But things like that happen, and in fact leading to unusual lines of communication. lol

Weird, almost makes me afraid for seeing him again next week.
But I guess it`s all back to normal again.


EDIT
Oh but Uranus wasn`t square Mars.


oh pluto was square Uranus, the European glyphs threw me of a bit.

the aftermath you speak of make sense to me because that would be what a chiron/venus/moon might entail

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posted July 30, 2016 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I can see how it possibly touched a raw nerve, maybe even for both of us.
But despite the temporary craziness it feels like a good thing. I guess it might be more difficult for him though.
Which is funny as I am the woman.
However I wonder if he might have been triggered by it cause his natal BML is on 18 Virgo, so the Venus-Jupiter-Chiron-thing was sort of attached to it, though on the other hand my natal Juno is on 17 Pisces. So, oh Idonīt know. It was just weirdly intense, considering the non-intensity of the content of the actual talking. I guess the intensity was more in the way he was staring at me even when others were talking to him (to be honest I thought that was quite a little rude, but the others did not seem to mind) or the undue interest in any random information about me (which my aquaintance delivered freely, just needed a little bit of pushing on his part. Yes I noticed that. She didn`t, that is the thing with people who like to speak a lot, they are actually easily "guided" in certain direction. Me? I was more observant, except some things I said and that obviously left quite an impact despite being rather normal. I still donīt get what is so interesting about why would not get into my aquaintance`s car and rather take the train, or where her and me met and in which town I live or if I find the date of his next concert and "Get together with fanfriends" agreeable with my schedule. lol or why I am not accompanying my aquaintance to MORE performances etc. Really such boring information, but I almost felt like he was trying to solve a puzzle about me. lol I suppose he did not quite succeed though)

Nevertheless I guess I was more curious about his strange behaviour and a little puzzled than really feeling like this activated some kind of woundedness.

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posted July 30, 2016 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess next time will be less event-ful though.

It just fascinates me as an astrologer that coincidentally ONCE again we seem to encounter each other in real life when Moon is transiting at about 18 Virgo. Just like last time. WEird.

Sometimes I wonder if there is something like "timing by the universe".

But there is not going to be a Yod next time, and Venus not conjunct Jupiter.


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Still I like the trine of Moon to Jupiter (and NN possibly).


I have no clue what to make of the Venus-BML-conjunction opposing Uranus (especially considering the degrees this falls on, in relation to our natal composite and natals in general)

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posted July 30, 2016 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yes, I can see how it possibly touched a raw nerve, maybe even for both of us.
But despite the temporary craziness it feels like a good thing. I guess it might be more difficult for him though.
Which is funny as I am the woman.
However I wonder if he might have been triggered by it cause his natal BML is on 18 Virgo, so the Venus-Jupiter-Chiron-thing was sort of attached to it, though on the other hand my natal Juno is on 17 Pisces. So, oh Idonīt know. It was just weirdly intense, considering the non-intensity of the content of the actual talking. I guess the intensity was more in the way he was staring at me even when others were talking to him (to be honest I thought that was quite a little rude, but the others did not seem to mind) or the undue interest in any random information about me (which my aquaintance delivered freely, just needed a little bit of pushing on his part. Yes I noticed that. She didn`t, that is the thing with people who like to speak a lot, they are actually easily "guided" in certain direction. Me? I was more observant, except some things I said and that obviously left quite an impact despite being rather normal. I still donīt get what is so interesting about why would not get into my aquaintance`s car and rather take the train, or where her and me met and in which town I live or if I find the date of his next concert and "Get together with fanfriends" agreeable with my schedule. lol or why I am not accompanying my aquaintance to MORE performances etc. Really such boring information, but I almost felt like he was trying to solve a puzzle about me. lol I suppose he did not quite succeed though)

Nevertheless I guess I was more curious about his strange behaviour and a little puzzled than really feeling like this activated some kind of woundedness.


Nevertheless I guess I was more curious about his strange behaviour and a little puzzled than really feeling like this activated some kind of woundedness.

as I hv oftenposted the"wounded/healing"dynamic of chiron is overemphasized. that all the astrology books dwell but it is just a small part of chirons effects
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posted July 30, 2016 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes you`re of course right about that part of the myth being overemphasized. Chiron was a great teacher/ mentor as well. (and there are some other nuances to him as well)

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