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Ceridwen
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posted August 15, 2016 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just been playing around...

If we are breaking it down however, midpoints are nothing else but a combination of planetary energy.

So why not combining transits and simultaneously activated planets and treat/ read them like midpoints with the transiting planet being the "activator"?


What I mean is this:

Looking up a transiting planet and check what planets in the natal and progressed chart it conjuncts, opposes or square with an orb of approximately 1°30.

then read the combination of the activated planets as if they were forming a midpoint picture with the transit (the orb of the transiting planet to the middegree of the natal or progressed planets should not exceed 1° though imo).


Example

Tr Saturn 9°46 Sagittarius

my p Node 8°22 Sagittarius
my n Jupiter 11°12 Pisces


both, my p Node and my n Jupiter, are aspected by transiting Saturn, though not exactly, but exact enough to matter big time

The middegree or average orb between my activated planets would be 9°47 of the mutable signs (though this is of course not the midpoint of Jupiter/Saturn, but it is the middle of the degree-range from 8°22-11°12)

so you can see that Tr Saturn is pretty smack equidistant to both (though forming a conjunction with one, and a square with the other - still seems a reactive degree).

Of course I can now look up what Tr Saturn square Jupiter and conjunct Node means, and I definitely think that should be the first step.


But I can also treat them as a combo. transiting Saturn activating the Jupiter/Node-combination.


This works also superbly synastrically.

Let`s stay with the Tr Saturn at 9°46 Sagittarius

my n Node 10°09 Sagittarius
hi n mercury 09°23 Sagittarius

evidently we have a mercury-Node conjunction in synastry which is currently activated by transiting Saturn (and pretty exactly if you check the middegree between 10°09 and 09°23), but for ease of synthesizing those together, I could also look up the midpoint picture of Saturn = Mercury/Node, of course keeping in mind that each of us contributes one half of the "combo", so it is not exactly the same as a natal midpoint picture.

however I found it pretty descriptive still.


Well there was much more attached than the Tr Saturn, as last friday, Tr Saturn was conjunct Tr Moon (though already separating by 2 degrees), square Tr Neptune and Tr Venus and Tr Node, which hooked into our natal T-square of Jupiter-Neptune-Node(Mine) and Mercury-Mars-Jupiter (His) with the added ingredient of progressed Venus (his).

For interpretation I find it easier to summarize or collect those into midpoint pictures. Don`t know but I find them easier to read, as those isolated aspects. lol


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yungang_grotto
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posted August 16, 2016 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"But I can also treat them as a combo. transiting Saturn activating the Jupiter/Node-combination."

Aha. How elegant and concise!

"For interpretation I find it easier to summarize or collect those into midpoint pictures. Don`t know but I find them easier to read, as those isolated aspects. lol"

If it works for you then it probably works well!

The idea of working with the midpoints of different planets in synastry is fascinating to me... it always does seem to yield information when I experiment with it.

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posted August 16, 2016 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, often it might coincide with midpoint pictures, but not always, at least not direct ones, though I think maybe the semisquare/ sesisquare.

I am in the process of compiling my personal list of last friday (which would come before doing the synastric one).

Though I DO think it is rather telling that Tr Moon was conjunct my Node and square my Jupiter, and at the same time square his pVenus.

Of course with a tad larger orb, Tr Saturn was doing the same, but somehow the energy did, well not change, but become blatantly obvious, not the 2 hours before but when Tr Moon had separated from Tr Saturn by 2 degrees and moving closer into a square to Tr Node (1 degree orb applying), just having passed the square to his pr Venus by 1 degree (seems to be a bit of a magical range. lol) and my Jupiter by under 1 degree (of course Tr Neptune was there as well - hey I did not say it was all too grounded and realistic. )


And Tr Venus had been in a partile conjunction to his pr Jupiter and square my pr Node.

maybe I also find that interesting, as it put three planets together which are connected synastrically anyway. As I have a Jupiter-Node-square natally and his Venus is semisquare both, exact (and hence hitting the midpoint of my Jupiter/Node).

my Venus is also trine his Jupiter (4 degrees) and his Node (4 degrees), while they are wide of course, she is trine the midpoint of his Jupiter-Node, which is appr. 9 degrees appart.

It`s not a REAL midpoint picture, of course. Just an observation.

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posted August 16, 2016 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I compiled the list of what was triggered for me through transits in my natal and progressed chart and for him, separately.

I used Transiting planets conjunct, square, opposite, parallel, contraparallel natal or progressed planets, and if aspecting simultaneously two either in longitude or declination, treating them as if in midpoint, and calculating the mid-orb.
(so if the transiting planet was conjunct planet A with 00°30 applying and planet B with 00°30 separating, the mid-orb would be absolutely exact)..

So on the left side of the equation is always the transiting planet; on the right side the combination of natal and/or progressed planets, which are aspected simultaneously.

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I thought it was interesting that that day

I had:
Tr Mars parallel natal Venus

He had:
Tr Venus parallel natal Mars

Especially since we are in a Venus-Mars-progression phase, individually, anyway

my pMars applying conjunct n Venus
his pVenus applying opposite n Mars


On second thought since there are such a lot of combos happening, I keep the orb limited to 0°30, except for Tr Moon and Tr angles.


Mine
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Moon = Jupiter/Neptune 0°41 s

ASC = Sun/Saturn 0°01 s
ASC = Sun/Node 0°13 a
ASC = Saturn/Mars 0°01s
ASC = Mars/Node 0°03s


Vertex = Mercury/Venus 0°47 a

MC = Moon/MC 0°06 a


Venus = Neptune/Node 0°29a

Mars = Sun/Mercury 0°15a
Mars = Sun/Venus 0°01s
Mars = Mercury/ASC 0°02s
Mars = Venus/Mars 0°12 a
Mars = Venus/ASC 0°18 s

Jupiter = Sun/Mercury 0°05 s

(Saturn = Neptune/Node 0°16 s)

Neptune = Moon/Jupiter 0°00

Pluto = Mars/ASC 0°06a
(Pluto = Neptune/ASC 0°17 s)
Pluto = Saturn/NOde 0°07s
Pluto = Neptune/Node 0°05s

Very easy to see that Tr Mars was doing a lot. Last friday Tr Mars was on 4 Sagittarius, applying to conjunct my natal Mars on 5 Sagittarius, which means that of course I was having my Mars-Return that recent weekend. So I think it makes sense.

HIS
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Moon = Venus/Mars 0°53 s

ASC = Sun/Venus 0°10s
ASC = Sun/MC 0°33 s
ASC = Venus/MC 0°11 s


Venus = Mercury/Jupiter 0°26 a
Venus = Mars/Jupiter 0°00
Venus = Moon/Mars 0°33 s
Venus= Moon/Jupiter 0°02 a

(Mars = Sun/MC 0°20 s)

Saturn = Mercury/jupiter 0°00
(Saturn = Mercury/Venus 0°24s)
(Saturn = Mercury/Mars 0°28s)
Saturn = Mars/jupiter 0°12 s
Saturn = Venus/Jupiter 0°09s
Saturn= Mercury/MC 0°00
Saturn = ASC/MC 0°06a


in one of the last convos we had on his facebook he literally said: "Love is work, work, work".
I definitely can see that in these Saturn-transits he is facing!
(including conjunct Mercury, square Mars, Jupiter, pVenus and some parallels/ contraparallels)


Uranus = Venus/Jupiter 0°10a
Uranus = Mars/Jupiter 0°16s
Uranus = Venus/Mars 0°15 s
- due to Uranus retro motion this will be replicated some time later, too

Neptune = Venus/Mars 0°10 a
Neptune = Jupiter/Pluto 0°07s
Neptune = Venus/Jupiter 0°02a

Pluto = Mercury/Neptune 0°05a
Pluto = Mercury/DESC 0°13 s
Pluto = Neptune/DESC 0°12 a

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posted August 16, 2016 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So especially for the moment in question, these were relevant:

JU/NE=MO Serene. Careless hours. Extravagant (wasteful) women

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SO/SA=AS Personal difficulties through others or in general. Separations.


MA/SA=AS Actions of others which bring sorrow. Struggling for every step of advancement

SU/NO=AS The desire to make personal contacts; making such contacts.

MA/NO=AS Easy camaraderie, energetic and vigorous cooperation.

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SO/ME=MA A young boy. A young man. To work fast. excitement; nervous drive

SO/VE=MA A man's love activity.

AS/ME=MA To be critically and sharply judged.
(well, I was being judged, though the result was positive)

AS/VE=MA To be the object of desire.

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SO/ME=JU One who is agile and serene. The talent for speaking. Travelling for pleasure

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MO/JU=NE Happiness diminished through falsehood or error. Prodigality.abandoning hope easily

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AS/MA=PL To plan common activities. Changes through the actions of others. Preparations for moving or change of place.

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posted August 16, 2016 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For him these would have been relevant


VE/MA=MO A woman's sexual love. Strong emotional impulses

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SO/VE=AS A loving and kind-hearted personality, love of other people. A love contact, mutual love.

MC/SO=AS The mental and professional attitude toward others.Personal relations.

MC/VE=AS To be in love with someone. To show a preference for certain places. To be located at that place or to long for that place.

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ME/JU=VE Lover's discourse. Teasing. Pleasant conversation. Agreements in ideas.The desire to revel in something or to become enraptured, the tendency to discuss love and beauty, a merry disposition.

MA/JU=VE Love's happiness connected with sexual intercourse. Successful pleasant work.
A harmonious sex-expression, rich perceptive faculties and feelings, creative artistic activity. Fortunate decision made in love and marriage

MO/MA=VE Agreeable working time and conditions. No time clock. (I can confirm that.lol)
A passionate nature, sex desire, the desire for children. The desire and urge to create, shape or mould something, creative activity.


MO/JU=VE To love happy and cheerful hours.Be made happy by a woman`s love. An abundance of feeling, a harmonious nature radiating happiness, an

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MC/SO=MA The heart and soul are put into the work. To proceed to action. To express the will. Making a decision.

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ME/JU=SA Bon Voyage. To take leave gladly.Inhibitions when trying to make a decision, the display of uncertainty

MA/JU=SA The ripe fruit. Annulment of an engagement. Separated liaisons. To finish a successful activity. Unpleasant decision with good results. Difficulties in making decisions, the tendency to let good opportunities slip away. Struggling with impulse, having to toe the line, pulling in one's sails.

(this one is of course longer lasting)

VE/JU=SA Separated love. Slow ripening happiness in love.

MC/ME=SA Thinking about separation or travel. The abandonment of one's aims in life pursued hitherto.


MC/AS=SA To have professional difficulties. To separate from others.

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VE/JU=UR Sudden setting in of love's joy.The capacity to express joy whole-heatedly, the ability to become popular quickly. Sudden happiness in love

MA/JU=UR Sudden betrothal. Surprising beginning of a happy activity. Exciting activities which are successful. explosive expression, breaking loose, quick determination or resolve.


VE/MA=UR By surprise or unexpectedly to meet again relatives or intimate old acquaintances. To re-establish relations. Intense passion; high nervous involvement with things sexual; dangerous liaison. Sexual assault.

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VE/MA=NE The end of intimate relations or the relation to relatives. Denial of sexual intercourse. Spiritual bonds. Revelling in the desire

JU/PL=NE Commencing unnoticeable fortunate change.
Inclination to be deceptive, also to cheat and seduce people; adjusting the data; omitting key facts; working a situation into one's own
format.
(AHA )

VE/JU=NE Love and affection with obstacles.
A loss of focus in love relationship; a change of direction for no clear reason; lack
of correct behaviour.

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ME/NE=PL To develop an intuitive disposition. Subconscious development. To recognize that one has made an error. To see through false pretences.


AS/ME=PL The opinions about the native undergo change. Others draw their consequences or conclusions.The desire to establish one's influence over people within one's
environment,

AS/NE=PL Underhanded tricks and fraud which are not noticed


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