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Topic: water-earth fire-air imarriage pattern 👰💑
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Empty Spaces Knowflake Posts: 1014 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted August 15, 2016 08:07 PM
I counted like 30 couples close to me and ALL OF THEM ARE air-fire water-earth Or fire-fire earth-earth air-air water-water Plus every single time I search for famous couple they have the same thing.. I know this is annoying, it seems like something set on stone but please be HONEST.Do know many couples that doesnt fit this pattern?because I dont!!!ITS ******* ANNOYING!! I never felt attraction towards water signs... IP: Logged |
12muddy Knowflake Posts: 2890 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted August 15, 2016 08:43 PM
Idk why you feel annoyed. If you don't fit, then you don't. Element compatibility is basic, it's not everything. If you're just talking about sun signs and elements, then in my experience, there doesn't seem to be less feminine sun sign/influence-masculine sun sign/influence couples. Often I see that there are things in the charts that complement each other. My air dominated libra friend married a Scorp sun/moon. His venus is in libra conj her sun. I'm an earth sun, my s.o is an air sun. He's water dominated, I'm earth dominated. His sun oppose my fire moon. He's low in fire. I'm air void. Earth-void water-fire heavy, water sun friend. Her husband is a fire sun with bunch of earth placements. Earth sun friend, fiance' is all fire. Her fire venus conj his sun. Another earth sun - earth dominated friend , his partner is fire sun. etc....
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FatedCinderella Knowflake Posts: 135 From: Registered: Mar 2016
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posted August 15, 2016 09:42 PM
My brother dated some girls for years and I thought he would marry them (he has a water sun and they had air-fire sun signs)but he end up with a virgo girl.So I understand your point of view.I have a air sun and when I date someone with water/earth I have that fear.I mean what if I have what they want but not what they need?SCARY!! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 28150 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 16, 2016 05:10 AM
my parents are Air-water (in terms of sun signs)IP: Logged |
DopGang Knowflake Posts: 2727 From: INTJ Registered: Jun 2015
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posted August 16, 2016 06:20 AM
I knew a fire-water couple, married 33 years until death split them. (Sun signs) IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 28150 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 16, 2016 06:36 AM
Yes, there are combinations of all possible sun elements combos. This is not about sun signs at all (though having said that I do tend to like other Fire men, but I guess that is since I have not just sun but many personal planets in fire; in fact I mostly feel drawn to the fire-earth mix in a man, and mutable or cardinal, not really into the fixed energy, so no leo-taurus for me so far ).
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DopGang Knowflake Posts: 2727 From: INTJ Registered: Jun 2015
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posted August 16, 2016 09:18 AM
Oh, well if you go beyond sun signs then this kind of generalized view is almost pointless. Because of SO many possibilities in a synastry. You're almost certain to find one of the above combinations. Counting nodes, the asc, dsc, ic, mc, planets, and chiron. That's what, 15-16 for each? With four elements. Anything is possible but the odds are stacked heavily that you'll find one of the above combinations. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 3162 From: intimate sky dot net Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 16, 2016 11:21 AM
It's fun to think about.My asc water, his, air My Sun, water, his, fire My.moon, earth, his, fire My Venus, air, his, earth My Mars fire, his, earth My Jupiter air, his, fire My Saturn earth, his, water My Uranus fire, his, fire My Pluto water, his, air ... It's like a trance poem... IP: Logged |
alludeu Knowflake Posts: 33 From: Australia Registered: Aug 2016
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posted August 16, 2016 11:22 AM
It's basically the law of attraction thing.. The air-fire and earth-water signs were probably the ones directly opposite each other e.g. fire-air/aries-libra. People of the same element tend to have a more harmonious flow of energy between them.. because of their same element, they have an innate understanding of what they all need in general (which is all similar to each other) e.g earth-earth/taurus-taurus, would both most probably have an equal desire for financial & material security to feel at ease.IP: Logged |
Empty Spaces Knowflake Posts: 1014 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted August 16, 2016 11:51 AM
Thanks EVERYONE for the replies!!Alludeu Actually I noticed that most of them aint the opposite signs.The only opposition I found was a capricorn/cancer combination between my best friend and her husband. Capricorn/scorpio Virgo/scorpio Leo/Gemini Aries/aquarius....etc FatedCinderella Scary yeah :/ lol
12Muddy Thanks for the examples. Actually is not that simple.Perhaps I think the guy from a fire-air sign is my perfect macth but they can disagree lol and marry someone else.Seems like this pattern affects more men though... I dont know how to explain my thoughts but it is like Fated described.I mean the man spend years with someone else and then only propose to those with a complement sun sign and I know we have to consider the whole synastry but dont you think that is beyond coincidence?Some of those couples a mentioned has a weak synastry. Ceridwen Hum..it makes perfect sense.I have a water-air chart with (sun in capricorn) I love men fire-earth mix. Since Im a little bit concerned now I hope I find one guy with plenty of fire on his chart but with a earth sign! 😲 Dopgang Wow long term couples from you and Ceridwen.Lovely!! IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 2222 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 17, 2016 07:47 AM
Interesting. I'm a Capricorn Sun and I tend to like Fire or Air Sun's most. Especially Fire. I enjoy the contrast of such outgoing energy with my own more subtle vibe. When it comes to Sun signs I haven't noticed the pattern the OP mentions at all. Actually, I've noticed there seems to be an uncanny frequency of Sun Earth/Sun Fire couples, and Sun Water/Sun Air couples. Noticed this with family, associates, celeb studies. Obviously not all couples fit this pattern!! It's just a very general trend I've noticed. There are so many different combos out there. And any sign can end up with any other sign happily due to synastry. Anyway... My parents were an Aries and a Taurus. My Cancer Grandma married two Libras, and is still married to one of them. And I have an uncle and aunt that were a Pisces and Aquarius combo. My theory has always been that since Fire is all about inspiration and enthusiasm, and Earth is all about the practical preparations needed to bring such inspirations into reality, that these two elements compliment and complete each other in a way. Even though they are not traditionally compatible. A Fire sign might be inspired to start a business, but they usually require an Earth sign (type of person) to hammer out the details of this business with them. Similar with Water and Air. Air signs are so caught up in the world of analyzing and trying to be objective that they sometimes don’t know quite how to deal with the deeper emotional currents of life. However water signs live in that world, and are comfortable with feelings whether they be logical or not. Water, in fact, benefits from Air’s detached perspective and openness, while Air benefits from Water’s sensitive awareness that there’s more to life then theory and ideals. There's a polarity there of sorts. Like something is magnetically pulling Earth/Fire and Water/Air combos together with relative frequency because of how they fill up each other's empty spaces, and make up for each other's lacks. They balance. It's not just a Sun sign sign either. It can be a general natal chart to natal chart thing as well. This is just what I've noticed. But the thing is if you ask 10 different people in the world about the trends they've noticed, you might get 10 different answers. For some reason this pattern has stood out to me. I see it as a general trend in the population. The dilemmas and benefits that arise from these element combinations seem to be common romantic themes in the media as well. The steady, organized, respectable Earth person falls for a passionate, wild, free-spirited Fire sign. Or the friendly, charming, intellectual Air sign falls for the sensitive, soulful, slightly difficult to know Water sign. Many people are able to relate to these archetypal themes. Even if their Sun signs don't fit the above pattern. It's an elemental theme. Air/Water and Earth/Fire energies (or types) just seem to gravitate towards each other rather often. And the Sun sign combos do seem more recurrent in my observation. Another common trend I've noticed is same Sun sign combo couples. The attraction seems to be an identification thing. Seeing a version of yourself in the other person. Their core identities are the same in an exact way which is different from just being 'similar' (like trines and sextiles). I love conjunctions in synastry too, natal chart to natal chart. Now general trends aside, on an individual level the story is quite different. Each natal chart is unique and each person has their own unique romantic taste. Shown by the relationship houses and gender planets (which has been discussed probably thousands of times on this site). So even though there (it appears to me) is a trend of Earth/Fire, and Water/Air elemental duos, there are plenty of people who go in totally different and contradictory directions with their taste and preferences. Variety is the spice of life. Not that I don't have my opinions. As for my personal taste... As in, what kind of couples intrigue me the most.... I find masculine Suns signs coupled with feminine Sun signs most interesting. Especially the Air/Water, Fire/Earth kinds I've mentioned above. I like seeing the magic that happens when very different people come together. And the reserved/outgoing polarity appeals to me for some reason (probably because my own taste leans in that direction). Next, same Sun sign couples can be pretty fascinating because of the identification thing. I Like to hear about how they zeroed in on each other. It's a core identity recognition of sorts. Sextile Sun sign couples are alright. But I'm not too excited about them. They're different enough to be a bit interesting, and yet still a bit too similar for my liking. Usually they're either both reserved (Earth/Water) or both outgoing (Air/Fire). I feel the same way about opposition Sun sign couples as I do about sextile sign couples. They contrast over key themes, which makes them a bit interesting. But again, either both are reserved or both are outgoing because of elemental similarity. So the contrast is not complete. Finally trined Sun sign couples are my least favorite (Generally. There might be a few exceptions here and there). It's like the match is almost too perfect, like the captain of the football team dating the head cheerleader in high school. Too predictable, agreeable, and obvious, in an eye-roll inducing way (sorry trined lovers). For some reason, I mostly see trined Sun couples as boringly similar. Wouldn't it be more interesting if the cheerleader instead went for a science nerd, or even the local rebel? Weirdly, I love trines in synastry on a natal chart to natal chart level. Just not often the Sun sign combos. I must say that the above opinions of mine apply only to those who mostly feel and act like their Sun sign. Since the Sun is the center of our solar system, and represents our core sense of identity and purpose, most people do strongly identify with their Sun sign characteristics.... But there are always exceptions to the rule due to natal chart variation. And for those atypical types I guess I have no opinions on who they should pick, except that I'd hope the synastry would be promising. I think real compatibility is made up of a combination of similarity and differences. You need just the right amount of each to make the relationship harmonious as well as stimulating. So putting Sun signs to the side for a bit, on a natal chart to natal chart level I like to see a bit of both in synastry overall. Seeing people compensate for each other's elemental voids is good, but I also think there needs to be at least one element that the couple shares in the chart comparison. That way they can bond over the shared element, and help each other out by supplying an element the partner may lack. Also... Regardless of element considerations, my ABSOLUTE favorite thing to see with couple chart comparisons is when both match each other’s relationship house symbolism (5th, 7th, and 8th houses). THIS IS KEY. That tells me that the attraction and admiration in the relationship is mutual, and that is a beautiful thing to see. Even if they have trined Suns by sign (see, I said there were exceptions). IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 3162 From: intimate sky dot net Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 17, 2016 09:28 AM
What about quincunx Sun signs? *raises eyebrows*Fantastic post by the way, thank you so much. IP: Logged |
Empty Spaces Knowflake Posts: 1014 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted August 17, 2016 12:04 PM
Amazing Lotiswhite!Those examples you have mentioned are indeed very interesting.I agree that dating opposite signs dont complete you at all. That is my opinion too but I thought I was the only who thinks that.I also have capricorn sun and I love air-fire signs.I have 0 fire on my chart and though I have venus and mars in water signs for some reason I dont even notice water sun people when it comes to love and they dont notice me as well.I like the boring trine sun combination but yeah it seems so predictable!hehe Maybe I should go deeper because I swear that I only saw the pattern I described above anyway you have so much more experience than I so I glad to see that you and other people here noticed something different. IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 2222 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 19, 2016 04:27 AM
quote: Originally posted by yungang_grotto: What about quincunx Sun signs? *raises eyebrows*Fantastic post by the way, thank you so much.
Well, I did mention that my favorite pairings Sun sign wise tended to be Masculine Sign/Feminine Sign pairings. That includes quincunx couples. I do have something of a preference for Earth/Fire and Air/Water combos, but Water/Fire and Air/Earth do intrigue me as well. At least they do a lot more then Masculine Sign/Masculine Sign combos or Feminine Sign/Feminine Sign combos (which usually seem too similar to me). I like that astrological gender contrast even when the female is the Masculine Sign, and the male is the Feminine Sign. I get a kick out seeing how they interact. There's one positive charge and one negative charge. That feels more 'complete' to me. But like I said, there are always exceptions. Sometimes certain synasties are so good I kind of fall in love with the idea of what that relationship would be like. When I see people matching each other's relationship houses, and also having really nice synastry interaspects (with a mixture of soft and hard aspects, and aspect combos like Sun/Moon, Mars/Venus, Mercury/Mercury, and Jupiter/anything) I can get all giddy about the comparison, regardless of the couple's Sun Signs. IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 2222 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 19, 2016 04:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by Empty Spaces: Amazing Lotiswhite!Those examples you have mentioned are indeed very interesting.I agree that dating opposite signs dont complete you at all. That is my opinion too but I thought I was the only who thinks that.
Yeah, opposite signs present opposing views on the same kinds of topics, but they're not completely different because they're still on the same gender polarity astrologically. There's no introversion/extroversion contrast. Just opposing perspectives on a certain spectrum of human behavior. IP: Logged |
HelixID Knowflake Posts: 143 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted August 19, 2016 02:08 PM
I have access to a large database where the clients have a joint account with their spouses or partners. I have been looking at the pairs and somehow the inconjunct keeps popping up the most. And even there I spotted a trend. Capricorns are usually paired with Geminis, Leo with Pisces and Sagittarius with Taurus (the last one keeps coming up so frequently it's not even funny). I expected to see more oppositions and squares but no. The semi sextile is frequent and the trine and sextile couples are rare. With the square it's Cap-Aries, Libra-Cancer, Sag-Virgo, Gemini-Pisces, Taurus-Leo, Scorpio-Aquarius. But I didn't see the other squares that much. So I have been thinking about the inconjunct a while and it might be due to one aspect: Sun of one person opposite the Venus of the other one People with a semi-sextile between Sun and Venus natally (by sign not necessarily degree) seem to go for the inconjunct Sun in synastry, since the inconjunct Sun could very well oppose their Venus. Glancing over those synastries I have noticed that Sun opposite Venus is one of the more frequent aspects in synastries next to Mars square Saturn and Moon in hard aspect to Venus. IP: Logged |
DopGang Knowflake Posts: 2727 From: INTJ Registered: Jun 2015
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posted August 19, 2016 02:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by Lotis White: Yeah, opposite signs present opposing views on the same kinds of topics, but they're not completely different because they're still on the same gender polarity astrologically. There's no introversion/extroversion contrast. Just opposing perspectives on a certain spectrum of human behavior.
Good example of this: Virgo - "I don't give money to the homeless standing at the side of the road. Why are they homeless? Do they have a drug or alcohol problem? I don't know what is being done with my money." Pisces - "It doesn't matter to me. I'll always give to them. It's not my place to understand their issues. They are in need and I'd rather risk my kindness being abused than to not help someone who genuinely needs it." Both at the end - ".... But I understand where you're coming from...." IP: Logged |
FatedCinderella Knowflake Posts: 135 From: Registered: Mar 2016
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posted August 19, 2016 04:00 PM
I disagree about the virgo part.If I dont control my mother she gives all her money!!😂😂😂IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 3162 From: intimate sky dot net Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 19, 2016 05:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by HelixID: I have access to a large database where the clients have a joint account with their spouses or partners. I have been looking at the pairs and somehow the inconjunct keeps popping up the most. And even there I spotted a trend. Capricorns are usually paired with Geminis, Leo with Pisces and Sagittarius with Taurus (the last one keeps coming up so frequently it's not even funny). I expected to see more oppositions and squares but no. The semi sextile is frequent and the trine and sextile couples are rare. With the square it's Cap-Aries, Libra-Cancer, Sag-Virgo, Gemini-Pisces, Taurus-Leo, Scorpio-Aquarius. But I didn't see the other squares that much. So I have been thinking about the inconjunct a while and it might be due to one aspect: Sun of one person opposite the Venus of the other one People with a semi-sextile between Sun and Venus natally (by sign not necessarily degree) seem to go for the inconjunct Sun in synastry, since the inconjunct Sun could very well oppose their Venus. Glancing over those synastries I have noticed that Sun opposite Venus is one of the more frequent aspects in synastries next to Mars square Saturn and Moon in hard aspect to Venus.
Yes! Thank you... That's something I had wondered about the inconjunct. My partner and I have Sun quincunx Sun, 21 degrees Aries and Scorpio respectively, and the double whammy Sun Venus opposition.
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mir Knowflake Posts: 2466 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 19, 2016 06:59 PM
Yea, Liz greene was very clear about the attraction between Earth & Fire and Air & water in one of her books that I totally absorbed once, my first years of astro inspiration. Ofcourse I could relate to that very well having a Leo mom and Cap dad who did it great together. Plus having a Aries grandma and Virgo grandpa as an example for all around. And yes I noticed these Earth/Fire & Air/Water pairings constantly (back then) and in family very obvious too; 6 out of 12 Aunt/Uncle couples, all from mom's side what I mentioned here (dad had only 1 sis).IP: Logged |
DopGang Knowflake Posts: 2727 From: INTJ Registered: Jun 2015
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posted August 19, 2016 07:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by FatedCinderella: I disagree about the virgo part.If I dont control my mother she gives all her money!!😂😂😂
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yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 3162 From: intimate sky dot net Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 19, 2016 08:27 PM
What about quincunx Sun signs? *raises eyebrows*Fantastic post by the way, thank you so much. IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 2222 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 20, 2016 05:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by HelixID: So I have been thinking about the inconjunct a while and it might be due to one aspect: Sun of one person opposite the Venus of the other one People with a semi-sextile between Sun and Venus natally (by sign not necessarily degree) seem to go for the inconjunct Sun in synastry, since the inconjunct Sun could very well oppose their Venus. Glancing over those synastries I have noticed that Sun opposite Venus is one of the more frequent aspects in synastries next to Mars square Saturn and Moon in hard aspect to Venus.
You might be onto something here. I'm a Cap with Venus in Sagittarius. I don't really go for quincunxes to my sign, but have a real weakness for Sagittarius and Aries energy (semi-sextile and square to the Sun, but trine to Venus). But I can totally see how those with the natal Venus/Sun semi-sextile could go for Sun signs traditionally not compatible with their own, including the supposedly hopeless quincunx (according to most astro cook books). There might even be a similar affect with natal Mercury semi-sextile Sun. That would be more of an intellectual fascination thing. IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 2222 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 20, 2016 06:02 AM
quote: Originally posted by mir: Yea, Liz greene was very clear about the attraction between Earth & Fire and Air & water in one of her books that I totally absorbed once, my first years of astro inspiration. Ofcourse I could relate to that very well having a Leo mom and Cap dad who did it great together. Plus having a Aries grandma and Virgo grandpa as an example for all around. And yes I noticed these Earth/Fire & Air/Water pairings constantly (back then) and in family very obvious too; 6 out of 12 Aunt/Uncle couples, all from mom's side what I mentioned here (dad had only 1 sis).
Yes! I read Liz Greene's book too when I was quite young. At that point I'd already noticed the whole Earth/Fire and Water/Air phenomenon, and I remember being glad someone else had noticed that same trend. It's like there's a certain segment of the population (and not a small one, it feels like more then a quarter but a bit less then a half of the general human population out there. Just my guess.) that just has this inner drive to enter into such partnerships (either Earth/Fire or Water/Air). IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 28150 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 20, 2016 06:14 AM
While I can see that theoretically valid (the inconjuncting sign theory), it`s not true for me. I have Sun in Sagittarius and Venus in Capricorn. But zero attraction to Cancer-Suns. Even though they DO fall into my 7th or 8th house. I think though that is probably related to how the ruler of my 5th and 7th house in particular are being placed (in Capricorn and Sagittarius, both in 1st house) plus I have Saturn in 8th house, which seems to overshadow the fact 8th house is in Cancer, especially with the ruler of 5th in Capricorn, and that being Venus. So the Sag/Cap cusp has always had a MAJOR draw to me, much more than the signs falling into my 5th, 7th or 8th house (which would be Taurus, Gemini, Cancer and a bit of Leo- which probably are the Sunsigns I am LEAST attracted to of all possible ones) IP: Logged | |