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Topic: midpoint synastry example
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DD Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 05:30 AM
This is the midpoint synastry of a (still living) celebrity couple:her SUN= his Uranus/Pluto his Neptune /NN his Mars/Neptune his Jupiter / Saturn She obviously activates strong transformational energies in him (Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) and he will change in profound ways through her, but the transformation will not be smooth (Uranus/Pluto, Mars/Neptune). Maybe she wakes up the "revolutionary" in him (uranus/Pluto). at least he will probably come into pretty extremes state of mind or emotion, an inner war between total obsession (Pluto) and struggle for detachment (Uranus). In the end he will probably strive for a certain balance between expansion and selfcontrol (Jupiter/SAturn). The Neptune-configuration could indicate a turning to a more spiritual, compassionate, altruistic side, BUT it could also mean that he feels weakened (Neptune) in his masculinity (Mars), even though the same combination probably arouses some strong sexual (Mars) fantasies (Neptune) in him and could make him feel like she is weaving sexual (mars) magic (Neptune) over him. Neptune /NN could mean that his lifepath would turn more spiritual and creative and that he would also connect (NN) with spiritual (Neptune) people. Of course it could also mean that part of his path will be to get engaged in caritative things (Neptune). On the other hand if things go bad it could also show that it would be easy to give in to confusion and indulgence and illusion, so that he might even lose (Neptune) his path (NN) out of sight; maybe sacrificing too much.
his SUN= her Saturn/Node
he doesn`t activate that much of feelings in her (at least not through is pure Self - Sun). But he also activates a midpoint that involves her lifepath (NN). So they obviously are both influential to each other in this regard. But where she may activate a more spiritual, compassionate approach in him (Neptune), she learns through him to give her own path more structure (Saturn). It probably would seem that she knows exactly what she wants and where she is going and how she will achieve her goals (saturn/NN), while he might appear as if he is somehow flowing around (Neptune/NN). Of course Saturn/NN could also mean that she might feel too burdened and as if he is asking to much responsibility of her (he doesn`t really ask for this, but he triggers that feeling in her). IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 05:38 AM
Her MOON= his Mercruy / NN his Mercury / Mars his Uranus/NeptunePretty Mercurial here. So I guess, her emotional core, how she expresses nurturing and motherly traits activates the urge to communicate in him. Probably she propells him to talk a lot. She will make him think and talk (Mercury) about his ideas of his lifepath (NN). Sometimes it could lead to some heated discussions (Mercury/Mars). Maybe there are also some "otherworldy" experiences possible for him (Uranus/Neptune). his MOON and VENUS= her Venus/Saturn her Saturn / ASC Again a Saturnic emphasis - so it seems he really gives her stability and structure. At the same time she may be insecure (Saturn) if she and the way she is in relationships (Venus) really is (ASC) what he needs emotionally (Moon) and romantically (Venus). Maybe she even feels rejected at times; but that is probably because he somehow taps in her own insecurities. IP: Logged |
Lara Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 18, 2010 10:26 AM
Have you noticed DD thatNN SATURN ASC always hit sun or moon in MP's? It's really interesting IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 10:35 AM
You mean midpoints of NN, ASC, Saturn coupled with Sun or Moon? Yes, I have noticed that, too.IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 10:48 AM
her VENUS-ASC= his Saturn/NN his Pluto/ASC his Jupiter/Neptune his Mars/Saturnher feminity and physical Self propell him to structure (Saturn) his life (NN). Maybe it also leads him to cut (Saturn) certain connections (NN). In the worst case it could also make him want to cut THIS connection. He has the chance of becoming a more mature (Saturn) man(Mars) thought. But maybe he also feels rejected (Saturn) in his masculinity (Mars), which in turn may limit (Saturn) his sexual attraction (Mars) to her (Venus, ASC). But even with that there seems to be a feeling of great responsibility and a wish to stay and make the connection work; but probably it is not a very romantic one. Interestingly his Venus=her Venus/Saturn and her Venus=his Mars/saturn. So they confront each other with the insecurities according to their own genderroles, which of course could give him a chance to modify their perception on them and work on their complexes. The attraction will grow moderate over time, but the relationship could last a long time, as both feel responsible for each other and are willing to put a lot of work into it. Despite all this he has a strong belief in the relationship (Jupiter-Neptune) and is very optimistic about it. For him she is something special, and he might not always see her or the relationship in realistic ways. But with all the realism of Saturn going on, this could give a reason to be with her in the first place. Probably there is also some glamour attached to this relationship from his perspective. Another reason is the fact that her Venus and ASC are activating his Pluto/ASC-midpoint. This tells us that he is almost hypnotized by her, like he is under a spell, drawn compulsively towards her and experiences a deep and intense physical attraction to her. his ASC= her Mercury/NN her Sun/Neptune She doesnīt experience the same amount of romantic or sexual attraction. But she likes to talk to him about her goals (Mercury/NN), and she, too, may not see him as clearly (Sun/Neptune). Probably she idolizes him, too, and there is a lot of compassion from her side. She may even see something in him that isnīt really there.
her Mars= his Mars/NN his Sun/Moon his Sun/Venus Whenever she taps into her Marsenergy, showing her strength and power (almost masculine qualities, which she could with her Mars in Aries), she triggers very strong feelings of love inside him. In these instances she may seen as a true soulmate (Sun/Moon) and he feels affectionate attachment and love (Sun/Venus) for her. She also can propell him to get active and put energy (Mars) into his path in life (NN).
His Mars= (her Moon/Mars)
almost no connections; just a weak (almost 2 degree) Moon/Mars. It shows that his masculinity somehow doesn`t touch or reach her. But the wide Moon/Mars could show some strong emotions as well as the fact that she might be pretty fertile with him. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 10:54 AM
her MC= his Moon/NN his Venus/NN his Moon/Mars his Venus/Mars her social standing or Ego(MC) evokes VERY strong emotions in him. It seems that he is most strongly drawn to her, whenever she is in that "social/ career" mode; maybe he even fell in love with her in a work-context. He feels great loving, romantic and emotional attachment to her (Moon/NN and Venus/NN) as well as wildly passionate and sexual attraction (MOon/Mars and Venus/Mars).
(Interestingly she triggers Sun/Venus, Sun/Moon and Venus/Mars-mp in him, while he doesnīt trigger the same in her. Is that a sign that he feels more attracted to her than the other way round?)
his MC= her Moon/BML
This one actually made me laugh out loudly. lol So in association with his social Ego / his social image / his career she becomes the epitome of the "evil woman" (Moon/BML), the all devouring mother. So, if people were to see and think about his public image (MC) in connection to her, it would seem to them as she is that Lilith-character; selfish, fighting for equality for the sake of everything else, egoistical, revengeful, gladly accepting being an outcast just to assert her will (or follow her emotions in this case). For her it might be that the connection with him triggers a strong,c ompulsive wish (BML) for being a mother (Moon) in her.
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vesta Knowflake Posts: 3301 From: Stars Registered: May 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 10:55 AM
DD Any clue on what his ven desc mid conjunct her sun would mean? Also his sun moon mid conjunct her Jupiter? IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 10:59 AM
So far I only consider personal planets, NN and ASC and MC as "focal" planets.Anyway her Sun= his Venus/ASC might mean that he feels loved and appreciated and in turn feels great affection for her. And all she has to do for evoking this feeling in him, is simply being herself. But of course other midpoint pictures to her Sun could modify this. IP: Logged |
Lara Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 18, 2010 12:11 PM
are you inviting others to put theirs up or concentrating on this one? IP: Logged |
vesta Knowflake Posts: 3301 From: Stars Registered: May 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 12:43 PM
So, Johnny's venus Jupiter mid conjunct my Asc is one I would concider? What would that mean? IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 01:54 PM
Lara,well, first of all I`d like someone patting my shoulder saying: "Well done, DD! You put a lot of thought into it. And now it is very clear who this celebrity couple is." lol Seriously, I was practising, trying if I could put an interpretation together that makes sense, and of course I`d like other people`s feedback. BUT I also thought that this could be a good thread to discuss other, more personal, midpoint synastric / natal / transit examples. So go on. Vesta, ASC= Venus/Jupiter I like that one. You, your physical being, would trigger (at least potentially) generous, benevolent feelings in him. Very joyful affinity and sympathy; not really friendship, as this I associate more with Sun/Jupiter; I mean the friendship vibe is there, with Jupiter, but there is also loving Venus. So maybe a romantic friendship? I think it might signify genuine sympathy. But maybe more than just sympathy. Happiness and love. IP: Logged |
vesta Knowflake Posts: 3301 From: Stars Registered: May 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 02:22 PM
DD, thank you this was a great topic and caught my interest right away . Thanks for the info as I am not very good at the interp. Gerat topic you deserve a pat on the back. IP: Logged |
Lara Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 18, 2010 02:30 PM
WELL DONE DD !!!!! and i have no idea who the couple are lol
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Ami Ann Newflake Posts: From: Registered:
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posted April 18, 2010 02:49 PM
Dear DD Is this a composite based on planet midpoints? Is that what a midpoint synastry is? What is your thoughts on how accurate they are vs natal synastry? Thanks Ami
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DD Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 03:05 PM
Thank you, Vesta and Lara. Exactly what I needed! Really no idea who that couple could be? Falling in love at work (meaning: on a filmset)? Caritative work? Her carrying the image of an "evil woman", a "Siren that lured the innocent sailor-him into her trap"? Well personally I do not believe that it was that way (but it doesn`t matter what I believe or not I guess).
Ami, no it is not a composite. I was looking at the midpoints in each natal and checked if the partner`s personal planets were conjunct, opposite or square these midpoints. Example: I have Mars at 5 Sagittarius, And Neptune at 10 SAgittarius - that means the midpoint falls onto about 7-8 Sagittarius (coincidentally my own ASC is there). Now let`s say someone else`s ASC would fall at about 6-9 Saggittarius, Gemini, Virgo or Pisces (I am usually using an orb of 1,5°, as is common with midpoints). That means that the other person`s ASC would ACTIVATE my Mars/Neptune-midpoint. Usually this is written that way: ASC= Mars/Neptune How valid? WEll, that is exactly what I am trying to find out. But it seems that they are surprisingly valid and telling. Some time ago, I looked at transits to my midpoints, and boy, were these telling! I even once had a computerized transit report done (last year), and it was so accurate, it crept me out.
The problem with midpoints for me is not that they do not work, but I have often turned away from them, because, well, at times they seemed just TOO true (at least regarding transits). One of the problems is that the avalaible interpretations are sometimes very gloomy and scary, like they call the Mars/Saturn-mp the "death"mp. Which I had triggered BIG time last september / october. Actually TR Saturn was conjunct Mars/Saturn-mp as well as squaring Sun and Mercury. Not a good time at all! Healthwise I mean, and then again, I was forced to be VERY disciplined with myself, and lost 20 kilos in the process, which was a good thing. But luckily I am still alive. So I do not like these names like Death-mp, sickness-mp, tragedy-mp and so on. I think we can do our own interpretations; we just have to blend the single symbolism of both planets involved in midpoints. WE do that all the time if we are interpreting aspects! Since midpoints represent a "blending" of two different planetary energies, we just have to take the planets and interprete them as if they were conjunct each other. IP: Logged |
Lara Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 18, 2010 03:07 PM
DD - i'm blonde today... i have no idea who they are!!!!! IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 03:12 PM
You should know. She has a Moon in Aries like you I think, and a Mars in Aries. And he, well, he is my astrotwin. Same day, different year. IP: Logged |
Lara Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 18, 2010 04:12 PM
Does she have the same name as me? IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 9947 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 04:35 PM
Hi DD,I'm curious, because still hypothesizing on this, what do you think of this MP synastry considering that we're thinking right now that the MP person ascribes certain qualities to the planet person based on the areas they touch? Her SUN = his Mars/Saturn Her MOON = his Sun/Mercury his Moon/Mercury his Mercury/Venus Her MERCURY = his Sun/Venus his Sun/Mc his Moon/Venus his Moon/Mc his Mercury/Mars his Venus/Mc Her VENUS = his Sun/Mercury his Moon/Mercury his Mercury/Venus his Mercury/Mc Her MARS = his Uranus/Neptune his Neptune/Pluto (Her NN = no conj to his Mp's) Her ASC = his Jupiter/Uranus his Jupiter/Pluto Her MC = his Mars/Jupiter -------------------------- His SUN = her Moon/Mercury her Mercury/Venus her Jupiter/Mc His MOON = her Sun/Neptune His Mercury = her Sun/Uranus (His Venus, Mars, NN = no conj to her Mp's) His ASC = her NN/Mc His MC = Her Moon/Mercury her Jupiter/Mc You see 4 empty areas, too (her NN, his Venus/Mars/NN) so I think these type of relationships (voids) would be good candidates for figuring this out, what do you think? IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 04:43 PM
LOnake,for the empty areas - did you check for opposition and square, too? I will have a look at the other ones tomorrow. But so far I found it interesting that there seems to be a high emphasis on Mercury (and a bit of MC) - is this a friendship or workrelated relationship? IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 04:44 PM
Lara, Si. IP: Logged |
Lara Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 18, 2010 05:05 PM
Are all these conjunct please DD? 1' orb? IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 05:08 PM
No. Conjunction, opposition and square within 1,5 degrees.I considered leaving out the square (conjunction and opposition is actually the same, as there always exist two midpoints in a circle), but checking my natal, the squares were DEFINITELY valid. IP: Logged |
venus in gemini Knowflake Posts: 883 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 05:18 PM
Brad Pitt and Angelina JolieIP: Logged |
vesta Knowflake Posts: 3301 From: Stars Registered: May 2009
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posted April 18, 2010 05:34 PM
I didn't check the square but Johnny's ven/Asc midpoint square my sun. his Ven/ Desc conjunct my sun and His ven / Jupiter mid conjunct my Asc. his sun/moon midpoint trine my NN sounds good to me what you think DD? there are other connections as well but these are good enough for now don't want to hijack your thread.
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