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Aubyanne
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posted August 23, 2016 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

So, I've been busy. Again. Things've happened. Some of them very good, some pretty rough. But little really compares to what happened in the 24-hour period from 13:00 Sunday into Monday.

I became a showrunner, officially, in the indie market for my new media TV series, this month. It's been wonderful, daunting, exhausting, illuminating, and recently -- gut-wrenching and heartrending.

We always want nothing more than to get that one perfect casting for that one incredibly complex role. We never think it's going to actually happen -- that lightning will strike. And when it does ... it can take your breath away.

That happened to me. We had a phenomenal read together to where my personnel said that it seemed we'd worked together for years -- no way we were strangers. Our energy was oddly perfect -- this mix of apprehension, attraction, confusion, and a weirdly deep affinity -- and the on-screen chemistry, complete with the necessary underplayed hostility -- was right there.

Weird for strangers. Just two really good actors? Maybe. But maybe not.

He was brought in by a soulmate who's already on the cast, and was a genuinely brilliant choice. On top of being practically bombarded with synchronicity and signs from the Universe, I did something I NEVER do -- and I cast him at the end of the audition. Right there on the spot.

He accepted, we took a goofy selfie, and it was good times.

But then he got ... cagey. Hours later, after he'd come back from work, and was briefly online, he got ... weird. Sure, his energy had always been low-key, and I suspected he was very private. So, I respected that, only conveyed what was needed to touch base on bringing him in to read with our mutual friend (well, my friend -- the soulmate -- who's really just been his scene partner in various workshoppes over the years). I told him he did great work today, and I'm very happy with it.

He didn't respond.

Okay, I thought. That happens. He's signed off. No big deal.

Big deal. At noon the next day, he passed. Came up with BS reasons for it, which even I knew were just smoke-and-mirrors for the truth -- which I still don't know -- ONLY his inexplicable ambivalence. Only his 'listening to his gut' saying to pass on the project, having no concrete reasons why. Saying I deserve someone 'all in', and he can't be that guy. That, it's not me -- he found me charming, loves the project, the script, where it's going, and looks forward to seeing it succeed -- and that I'll have no trouble finding another actor.

And I just felt gutted.

The room literally started spinning. That moment my soul takes over everything else and starts screaming at me, 'NO! This is WRONG!' happened, and I couldn't help but feel shock, and asking myself, ' ... is this REALLY happening?'

I woke up the next day with that feeling of, 'did that REALLY happen yesterday?' And I woke up this morning with that feeling of, ' ... yeah, that really happened.'

It's sent me into a DEEP, sudden depression, where I can barely think of anything else.

That SUN quindecile SUN is a nightmare. The ONLY potential recourse you have is the fact that you presume they MUST be feeling it, too. Maybe.

But then you have to ask yourself -- WHAT IS GOING ON?

I'm stumped, guys. And I'm too close to it.

All I know is I found the one to take this to the next level, in all the right ways, and it felt incredible.

And then I lost him. :: snaps :: Just like that.

I am seriously heartbroken.

Have a look, if you can.

Don't know his TOB. Estimated his location of birth. Had to track down his year. (Yeah, he's that cagey.)

A NOTE ON THE POINTS USED:

A lot of it's the basic stuff, but I added relevant things -- like ACTOR. And project-specific things -- like the character's name (LOCKWOOD) and things relating to it or the show (CHESHIRECAT, LIDDELL, MADHATTER, etc.)

I always use KARMA. And here, it REALLY applied.

Look at that friggin' KARMA opposite SUN DW. Gah!

Anyway. Thanks.

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posted August 23, 2016 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars Saturn square your Saturn and his own Pluto...

He is vindictive, cruel. He saw that you were excited and it made him want to run. Unkind.

And then... Saturn-Pluto... Bodrogi says this is castles built on sand... you build things, they crumble.... It's hard for you as you're the Saturn here...

It's likely better this way. He might have been great for the role but would have proven so so difficult to work with... just my two cents.

You will find the right one...

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posted August 23, 2016 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah... honestly I read the story and, astrology aside (forgive me), my feeling is that he backed out because he sensed how much you were into it... likely he is one of those who wants impossible challenges. It strikes me as immature altogether. Better not to give those challenges to him anyway, somebody else can do that.... It would have been endless drama with him on set. Well, and maybe that's what you want, but anybody with Mars Saturn conjunction square Pluto deserves a pretty wide berth... just my two cents.

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posted August 23, 2016 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your moon trine his Venus and your Neptune trine his Sun are just enough to make you feel that affection and emotional resonance, to see the best in him... oh and your Venus trine his Sun and square his Moon Neptune opposition!!... yes I can see how this would have hurt.

Like a karmic crash course...

And the Sun quindecile Sun... of course the challenge in that is extreme for you, because of course he does reflect something fundamental about yourself.

Likely the intensity of that was too much for him too... the ego magnification would have been so extreme. Along with the other hard aspects.

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posted August 23, 2016 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be fair, he possibly didn't really realize how much it would hurt you... mercury quincunx your moon...

Oh, and that's a double whammy.

How intense! :hug: ... it'll be ok

Sorry for thinking out loud, I must just be acting as a little mirror. Interested in other perspectives. Sending love and wishes for swift thorough healing, understanding, integration of these tough energies to clarify and strengthen you..

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posted August 23, 2016 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Want to cast an Event Chart Composite for yourself with the audition time as well as the moment you heard from him that he wouldn't be taking the role? They might be helpful? Anyway I am doubtful that, what I've said has been holistic or helpful enough but hopefully others will chime in too.

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posted August 23, 2016 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, Yun, I think you're right. And, see, what's really weird, is I've NEVER gotten that from an actor before. E-VER. Anytime I've cast someone on the spot, it was an amazing choice, and went onto prove such.

The camera just doesn't lie, though. There were things I saw in the footage later which almost confirmed what I had been intuitively feeling. He had this weirdly intense energy with me, and wasn't reacting in a way that someone who's a total stranger would.

I think he walked in expecting a simple read, and had NO idea what would actually happen. I think he surprised himself. He's been toying with darker material recently, but I think he's not ready to DIVE yet, and he may be a little worried of his capacity for going Method. Some actors genuinely are -- but they won't tell you, because it sounds crazy. And he wasn't ready to eat-sleep-breathe the role like he WANTS to -- but something is holding him back. I don't know what that is.

He's had a bunch of roles on TV that were never series regular. Like guest star, or day-player. He's done a few features and shorts, but more TV day-player. So I honestly thought that he would REALLY jump at the chance for a starring role.

I think a few things might be going on. He COULD come back if we move beyond the attachment stage, or get a real bite from a network. He hasn't unfriended me on Facebook -- which is a little weird. I mean, I friended him so that we could stay in contact through the week of the audition via Messenger, and we do have a mutual friend -- which I now realise is MY friend, and he just knows him through casting circles -- but, hey.

I was pretty certain he'd unfriend me soon after. But ... he didn't. Weird, right?

Today, I've got a B-list actress who's interested in the show. Just ... outta nowhere. Happens to attend the same boxing gym where my husband works out, and -- there ya go.

Getting a B-lister on the principal cast would be amazing. I'd have to have my ducks in a row, as they say.

But ... I wonder ... it definitely legitimises you when someone who's getting regular series work is interested.

I'm NOT getting my hopes up. We'll see.

So weird. ALL of it just ... so weird.

I'm really stunned by it all. I've always had actors jump at this role, with the only conflict being that they were filming out of state or the country during prospective recording dates. That's it. They loved the material and were eager to be part of it.

They've never ... BOLTED like this.

I played my hand at the end of the audition by signing him on, yes, and felt out how receptive he was to getting a bit deeper in -- learning the character more, coming in to read with two other actors, so that I can get a read.

So while I've considered that, yeah, I could've come on too strong -- I don't honestly think that's it. I think it really does go beyond it. Because THAT can be tempered.

Especially when I reminded him that it's JUST an attachment. Until we're greenlit, it's all I can really do -- package the show complete with the cast that will be performing the pilot, which are listed as 'attached'.

So, no, it definitely wasn't 'the time commitment' or worrying that I'd be up in his business, or that he was signing away his soul. Something else was up.

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posted August 23, 2016 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Want to cast an Event Chart Composite for yourself with the audition time as well as the moment you heard from him that he wouldn't be taking the role? They might be helpful? Anyway I am doubtful that, what I've said has been holistic or helpful enough but hopefully others will chime in too.

I was thinking of doing that last night, because I DO have all of the info. Yeah.

Anything specific you'd like to see in it?

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posted August 23, 2016 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe do one for him also...

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posted August 23, 2016 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe he felt as if he WAS signing his soul!

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posted August 23, 2016 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^^^^

Yea... he is probably an actor so that he doesn't have to be himself... and he mostly accepts bit roles rather than full series because then he doesn't have to commit and go deep like that... I think Actor conjunct ascendant and mercury... and chiron (!!) is complex! And so yeah, method acting would be very intense for him...

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posted August 23, 2016 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the EVCs I would like to see White Moon Selena (h56) (did you guess I might, Ceri? )

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posted August 23, 2016 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
(did you guess I might, Ceri? )

But of course.

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posted August 23, 2016 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your wish is my command, lovelies.

CASTING:

PASSING:

Explanation of points used:

LOCKWOOD (role)

ACTOR (self-explanatory)

TRUTH (thought it odd to see it so involved)

LIDDELL (as in Alice Liddell; project-relevant)

MADHATTER (same)

TARANTINO (like the writer-director; we both have TARANTINO strong in our charts, and it feels applicable, given the material)

ROSING (relates to anything TV; we both have it prominent in our charts as well)

Any insight?

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posted August 23, 2016 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TRUTH-LOCKWOOD and TARANTINO-ROSING travelling together right now's making me a tad nervous.

And I JUST released my breakdown to the casting agency, which means it's going live for the character in ... about 24 hours.

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posted August 23, 2016 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I donīt think this is what Yun meant, but rather a compospite of your natal with the casting-chart (and the passing-chart) and a composite of his natal with those event charts.
Plus h56.

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posted August 23, 2016 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I should have been more clear, apologies. You haven't been lurking very diligently, have you, Auby? that's understandable, you are busy! But mnow that, we, have the charts for the moment,.we might as well see his natal on its own and the composite and Davison charts

Or am I getting greedy?

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posted August 23, 2016 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Maybe he felt as if he WAS signing his soul!

But, this is ME, Ceri ... How on earth could he feel THAT?

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posted August 23, 2016 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Yes, I should have been more clear, apologies. You haven't been lurking very diligently, have you, Auby? that's understandable, you are busy! But mnow that, we, have the charts for the moment,.we might as well see his natal on its own and the composite and Davison charts

Or am I getting greedy?


I've JUST now had the moment to resurface again, after about a month of feeling like I was underwater -- or in another world -- or maybe underwater in another world?

Okay, no worries.

Thing is ... I know SO little. Knowing that we have no TOB, what's still useful?

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posted August 23, 2016 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
TRUTH-LOCKWOOD and TARANTINO-ROSING travelling together right now's making me a tad nervous.

And I JUST released my breakdown to the casting agency, which means it's going live for the character in ... about 24 hours.


Epic.... I wonder who will be the one!!

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posted August 23, 2016 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The EVC for you (composite of the moment and your chart) would give us something to work with.

But his EVC sans correct angles/moon would still be telling I think... right, Ceri? It will still give lots of info.

It is funny that you chose a time for him with actor on the ascendant maybe you were right...

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posted August 23, 2016 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to go for now, got things I must do, be back in a few hours...

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posted August 23, 2016 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Epic.... I wonder who will be the one!!

You and I both!

'Alice' has been on the Universal Mind lately, that's for sure. With this huge conjunction coming up on Dodgson's birthday on 27 January 2017, and then the ALICE-MADHATTER conjunction on the New Moon on 26 November 2017. So. Yeah. IT'S COMING. I'm planning on riding that wave all the way to the shore, too.

Man. Working with soulmates before you've worked through the karma is tough. I forget how much.

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posted August 23, 2016 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But, this is ME, Ceri ... How on earth could he feel THAT?

How couldn`t he?
He must have felt the soullink between you two, too, and probably even intensified by the energy of acting, and maybe he felt he could not deal with that on a daily basis?

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posted August 23, 2016 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But his EVC sans correct angles/moon would still be telling I think... right, Ceri? It will still give lots of info.


We would be missing very very important parts of course.

However the aspects (sans Moon and angles) would still be intact, and we could see especially inc lose conjunctions and oppositions where the resonance lies.

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