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Topic: Squares to Asc. Can they be felt strongly and are they really that bad?
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CapriciousCapricorn
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posted September 09, 2016 05:09 AM
  
"ANYTHING that squares the ASC is hard.The ASC is very personal and one feels squares strongly imo" This is what AmiAnne said in the other thread. Does anybody have any examples? Personal stories and opinions. 1) If my Asc receives nice aspects - sextiles and trines from somebody's planets, does it mean that I like being around that person? What happens when it's squared? 2) I also have this in synastry that I would like to know about. My Asc is squared by his Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune. Uranus and Neptune on my IC. Jupiter in 9H, 8 degrees close to my MC. Basically my AC squares his MC because our MC and IC conjunct. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted September 09, 2016 05:28 AM
Yep she said that in response to my question.
I have one of my best friend's Mercury squaring my ASC exact! obviously if it was THAT BAD we wouldn't be friends right? I will say though that sometimes the way she communicates sometimes grates on my nerves. E.g she'll take forever to text me back or she might even forget to (Taurus Mercury) and that annoys my Leo ASC so much.
I also have this aspect exact with My Aries soulmate. Hmmm must be some karmic thing since its with both people in very close to. At times he gets distracted and forgets to answer back so I get real frustrated at him. But I've told him how this affects me and so he knows that. Then recently a massive thing happened where he had to cut contact with me due to reasons I can't share (to do with other people) and again I got so angry at the lack of communication.
I think if you can express your needs in the square challenges and openly talk about how it affects each person it might make things easier and allow growth to come forth. And remember that squares bring energy to the relationship which often is needed for this growth to occur.That's my experience anyway. I feel like Jupiter squaring the ASC might not be so bad but I'll allow others to chime in. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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posted September 09, 2016 04:47 PM
Yes, squares to the Asc of any chart or synastry will be strongly felt, but they are not likely to be as bad as I`ve seen dramatized often here. Benefics squaring the Asc - Venus, Jupiter, Sun - are not `bad` nor are they particularly hard, just stronger energies with a continual expression. Sun and Jupiter are energizing, increase confidence, capacity, and `can do` attitude. How is that bad? Venus heightens visual and tactile sensitivities and keeps them there. How is that bad?The difficulty is in getting an accurate Ascendant for any birth chart. It is not as common as you`d think, and most astrologers/astrologists don`t have the astrological fluency to distinguish between two planets of similar energies (say Saturn and Pluto). I don`t even bother with the Ascendants in synastries unless I can verify at least one of them. I just start by looking at the planet-to-planet aspects and if those are not even close to balancing out negatives, then there is no point looking at the rest. ------------------
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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 09, 2016 05:48 PM
I`ll illustrate through comparison.Conjunction - planets/points fused together for a point of emphasis, but can still alternate in expression as in `on/off` with Mars/Saturn for example. Opposition - planets/points are polarized, at height of conflict or objective view for potential integration and balance; allows for either end/planet to be the outlet for energies to be expressed appropriately. Square - planets/points are compressed towards a point between them like two walls that meet in a corner; they press hard for integration with both energies/points heightened, not alternating; not fused, not polarized for objective consideration, but compressed to a point. Create and stabilize are themes.  So the interpretation of `square` is not `bad` or just `hard`, but that it is a dynamic of higher pressure that is unrelenting or less relenting than other aspects. Moon square Venus for example is not `bad`, just takes more effort to find the balance of these feminine/feeling expressions. ------------------
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CapriciousCapricorn
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posted September 09, 2016 08:39 PM
Astropsychology is great and we can talk about the nature of aspects endlessly but at the end of the day if I see Saturn square Venus in synastry - that is baaad. Call it stronger energy, unrelenting higher pressure or hard aspects instead of bad etc etc. The fact remains the same - they are trouble. And trouble is baad. I also don't want to look for positives in the negatives atm, that too is astropsychology, a lot of digging..and very deep. I'm not trying to work through them here. Just want to understand how (ok, let me replace the word 'bad') troublesome they are? To what extent? And what exactly happens when our planets square somebody's Asc?Benefics. OK, Jupiter is benefic. Noone ever pays any attention to it, he's a nice guy. But again, maybe compared to other planets squares from Jupiter are nothing but they are squares nevertherless. And they can do damage too, just like other squares can. "Sun and Jupiter are energizing, increase confidence, capacity, and `can do` attitude. How is that bad? " It's going to be over the top. This is not a trine or sextile. There is going to be so much optimism that one will not take the other seriously when needed, so much confidence that one will not be able to see how they can be wrong and their partner right..or at least accept they are just different. And all this will be happening in a very jovial way  with pure intentions, everything coming straight from the heart. But mind will not meet the heart. I actually have Jupiter stand out in one synastry. My Jupiter squares his Sun. His Jupiter opposite my Sun. Jupiter Sun opposition is a part of a kite in this synastry. And on top of that his Jupiter squares my Asc, which is what I wanted to know about (my birth time is accurate btw). Well, I have no doubt that major problems in relationship will be differences in ideology and values (truth, honour, dignity, religion, education etc). Most likely something to do with religious believes. This is all Jupiter, nice guy, creating big problems though. Moon square Venus in my head is also 'bad' )) Someone does not love you right and even if you tell them what you need, you cannot change the person. If you're a Moon in Taurus wanting me to cook for you but I'm an Aquarius Venus who loves freedom, independence and never cooked in my life and do not intend to because I don't want to be tied down to a stove then there's nothing you can do about that. You can change me and I will learn to cook but I will never enjoy it (that was just a made up example). What's good about that square? Nothing. You said the themes of a square are creation and stability (again, astropsychology - digging deeper and you are right) but when people breake up it is most often because of squares and oppositions. So much for stability.. IP: Logged |
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posted September 10, 2016 11:28 AM
My husband's sun/mercury square my asc.
My moon/MC square his asc. They show our differences and the ways we sometimes get on each other's nerves. But I'll say that they're not that bad, we're happy together and all. His sun square his asc, and his asc conjunct mine. He has commented that seeing me/being with me/knowing me has pushed him to face and sort out his inner conflicts. I feel kinda similar, having natal moon square asc, ang getting it in synastry. Idk, I have saturn/asc square venus/sun/moon with someone and it doesn't bother us. But then again, the person has a lot of saturn squares in his natal, I have a saturn dominated chart, so maybe that's why we're used to it. I tend to navigate towards people with cardinal placements, and more often than not, my saturn and/or my other cap placements square those placements. Pluto square and opposition in synastry are a whole different deal, pluto's not strong in my chart. I don't deal with the energy very well. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 10, 2016 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
"ANYTHING that squares the ASC is hard.The ASC is very personal and one feels squares strongly imo" This is what AmiAnne said in the other thread. Does anybody have any examples? Personal stories and opinions. 1) If my Asc receives nice aspects - sextiles and trines from somebody's planets, does it mean that I like being around that person? What happens when it's squared? 2) I also have this in synastry that I would like to know about. My Asc is squared by his Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune. Uranus and Neptune on my IC. Jupiter in 9H, 8 degrees close to my MC. Basically my AC squares his MC because our MC and IC conjunct.
I was thinking of how hard my Moon sq ASC feels vs how wonderful my Moon conj the MC feels.
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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 10, 2016 11:52 AM
Thank you for clarifying, Ami.Capricious Capricorn, the geometric angle of the aspect does not change the nature or energy of the planets involved. Contemplate that. ------------------
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CapriciousCapricorn
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posted September 10, 2016 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I was thinking of how hard my Moon sq ASC feels vs how wonderful my Moon conj the MC feels.
Great! Why does it feel hard? And why does it feel wonderful? IP: Logged |
CapriciousCapricorn
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posted September 10, 2016 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Thank you for clarifying, Ami.Capricious Capricorn, the geometric angle of the aspect does not change the nature or energy of the planets involved. Contemplate that.
Agree. Also. The nature or energy of the planets involved does not change the geometric angle of the aspect. IP: Logged | |
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