posted October 02, 2016 06:32 PM            

This is just one simple example.

if a guy has many personal planets in YOUR 2nd house, he may be interested in your money.

What do you all think?

Obviously, we could do this for any house.

I am just trying to figure out the DIRECTION of the overlay.

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posted October 02, 2016 07:00 PM            

It's important here to note that the second house is NOT just about money, but self worth and that which we feel secure in possessing on all levels. It rules raw materials, the things of the earth, etc... and in a capitalistic society this means money, but in societies and individuals who do not base all their self worth and self sufficiency and resourcefulness on money (many people don't), the second house actually is about much more...

You say you are trying to figure out which direction it is going--an understandable dilemma, but I think it needs to be taken from a different angle altogether, because it seems to me that energy transfer isn't ever really uni-directional in synastry, because of the dynamic nature of relationship as interchange... we are influenced by our very influencing of the other person, and vice versa, back and forth, ad infinitum... for example, if somebody activates my Sun/Moon midpoint really heavily, but I don't activate theirs quite as much (cough)... they will eventually begin to notice that they affect me in this way, and this will in turn affect them, and their confidence or their expression of those planets and points which are activating my Sun/Moon midpoint. Most people will say midpoint activation goes only one way, but again, I think this is far too simplistic and casts humans as machines incapable of perceiving and being affected by their effect on another being... Of course callousness is possible in many regards, but sometimes we ourselves don't even realize how affected we are, and the other person sees it more clearly... it's all perspective.. anyway, rambling.

Back to house overlays.

The person whose planet or point is occupying the 2nd house of another person is having their planet activated in the context of that house by the house person, so their expression of that planetary energy, when they are in the presence or in relationship with the house person, will be expressed in that realm of life.

So if my Moon is in your 8th house, my emotions will always be received very intensely, will be playing on a field which is particularly charged energetically, the esoteric element of the relationship will be heightened for me emotionally, and I will be aware always that my emotions carry all the urgency and weight of Scorpio energy for this other person, no matter that my Moon is a Capricorn Moon (and this will of course change the interaction; I bring my whole lunar energy to the picture, and the 8th house person is naturally Capricorn-ish about 8th house matters, so we dance in that 8th house-Moon realm together, delving into the Scorpio-Capricorn dynamic together, on an emotional level; but because I am the planet person, it is my somatic body which is at issue, which feels the intense need for the deep karmic interaction, for the sexual release, or whatever... (this is a personal example, lol)).

The house person, of course, is having that area of their life stimulated with the personal energy signature of that person's planet; so the realm of life which their 8th house rules over (merging, sex for orgasm, occult studies, death and rebirth, power and possession and jealousy and release, etc etc) will be informed by the planetary energy (nurturing, need, somatic awareness). So they are getting lessons and experiences in this realm of their life where these things are concerned, and becoming more astute and aware of the way that lunar energy would play into a Capricorn/8th house theme.

Through this interaction, the house person is becoming more emotionally responsible for sexual merging, and matters of life and death.

If you want to put it into a sentence. It is the house person whose realm of experience is being affected, but the planet person FEELs it, participates on the planetary level, is conscious of these themes, is a player on that field... and then their houses are being stimulated too and it goes the other way...

So I guess there is some 'directional' stuff going on... I hope I've helped to clarify a bit?

posted October 02, 2016 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Ami, I'm afraid that may be too simplistic. I'm a guy who commonly attracts ladies who place planets in my second house, thanks in part to my antivertex among other reasons. While, perhaps a couple of them might have thought about seeking my money (and been horribly disappointed at my lack thereof), I do perhaps see a thread that many in their own way were seeking security. Perhaps that may be the better interpretation?

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Yea, I was just trying to simplify it but it would be financial security, I would think.

I don't see the 2nd house as self esteem, although some people do.

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posted October 02, 2016 08:17 PM            

And also, why is money so reliably found to be a concern with the second house? Because it is that which is ours, which we have amassed, which gives us physical security, but our relationship with money is obviously dependent on the sign on the cusp, etc. Like, I'm a Sagittarius 2nd house cusp, and that has to do with the fact that I own land to which people travel, as well as the fact I am very easy come, easy go with money... when I have it, I give it away, and when I don't, I'm philosophical about it.

Similar with my sense of self worth. I am pretty free with it, pretty darn Sagittarian... I give compliments and adulation without a second thought, and feel free to explore rather bluntly my relationship with my idea of who I am and what I am worth... it does fluctuate, but I'm not afraid. For me, it's an exploratory thing.

So money totally plays into it, but don't you think there are other things which can give us these feelings, also, of material security, of security in general? That's what Taurus is about--what's tangible. What isn't goin' anywhere fast.

A sense of security and of having resources can relate to our physical body, its sensuous attunement to the earth, all manner of things can give a sense of security. Inner spiritual attainment/release from attachment itself can even give a sense of security, also. Grounding into the changeless, allowing all things to change...

posted October 02, 2016 08:21 PM            

Each of the houses rules multiple things... in a nutshell, that's part of why astrology is so useful and universally applicable...

posted October 02, 2016 08:25 PM            

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posted October 02, 2016 08:44 PM            

The more I do Astrology, the less I want to "make it esoteric" and the more I want to make it practical.

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posted October 02, 2016 08:49 PM            

I guess I would advise, if I may, that you remain open to the possibility of a few other meanings if you mean to do psychological counselling, because not all things are physically quantifiable, and the issues between two people may have to do with money, but they very likely also have to do with self worth... still, I understand your style and keeping it simple is part of your strength.

It's not my forte! My 7th house is all Taurus, and it's empty... even the asteroids seem to consider it a dead zone ... still working on that whole simplification thing, but I definitely respect it, and try to keep in simple at least in my relations with others

posted October 02, 2016 08:55 PM            

I really appreciate them!

Kind comments keep me going.

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posted October 02, 2016 09:35 PM            

His Jupiter in Virgo falling into my 3rd only emphasized my own natal 3rd house Jupiter in Virgo; I attribute my perfectionist tendencies and learning disorder (ADHD) to this detrimental house/sign Jupiter placement. I feel like his Jupiter falling into my 3rd house of Virgo made my ADHD worse and made me feel the need to double check every text (3rd house communication stuff) I sent in fear that his Virgo stellium would judge me for it. After we broke up I even wrote him a letter and a poem and I remember writing and rewriting it at least ten times because I felt that once again, his judgy Virgo side would scrutinize my words and spelling.

posted October 02, 2016 09:46 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Sorry Ami that I used a different example than what you were actually asking about. I thought you might be asking in general, but you probably wanted to talk 2nd house specifically. I don't mean to get all pedantic about it, or to go off on a tangent which is actually useless for you, but your question has made me think.

Each of the houses rules multiple things... in a nutshell, that's part of why astrology is so useful and universally applicable...

If we look at it as money, then yes, the people whose planets are falling in your second house will be interested in your resources, but rather than being interested in the sense that they want your resources (which would be an 8th house matter--the sharing of resources, inheritances, and marital joining of properties, etc.), they would be more likely to contribute to your resources, as in wanting to help you figure out for yourself how to make more money, for instance. They would encourage your endeavours to grow in the sense of financial security. That's how I would see this one. The 8th house, much more of a "I want your money" situation...

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posted October 02, 2016 11:30 PM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
The second house (in horary at least) is financial yes, but also the house of possessions/resources like you mentioned. I feel like if someone has Venus fall into someone's 2nd house in Taurus for example, the Venus person would want the 2nd house person's money and possessions and also would be extremely possessive of that house person as well.

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Well Venus in Taurus is possessive anyway but yeah I hear you, I guess 2nd house overlays could indicate possessiveness, but kind of like... there's no question that this possession is mine...

I'm still figuring it all out!.

posted October 02, 2016 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
I don't relate to the 2nd house in the way it is normally described. My North Node in 2nd house is probably more about defining my self-worth than finances, but money may be part of how I achieve this end.

In synastry, my boyfriend puts his Moon, Uranus, and Neptune in my 2nd house. He definitely wants a relationship that is about more than just money. If I had to guess we both boost each others' self-esteem and personal self-worth. This is just my opinion though.

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posted October 03, 2016 11:46 PM            

He can't really help bringing these things up for you. He can.likely see right through you (depending which planets, it will be through those lenses)...

posted October 04, 2016 07:22 AM            

all my experiences with friends/lovers so far has been the exact opposite

examples:

my 2nd house is virgo and I have no planets there (only pallas athena). I have dated 3 virgo men. Although their money wasn't what I was after and I started crushing on them when I had no clue they were rich (their suns were opposite my moon), they all came from wealthy families. Being with them always gave me a desire to make more money or take on new jobs!

my 5th house is also empty (except for my vertex and my true lilith there) and it starts in sagittarius and ends in early capricorn. I have dated 2 sagittarius men and 1 guy who has sun in early capricorn. they all have suns in my 5th sqaure my moon. These were my most fun relationships, the kind where I could be comfortable and silly with them!

Then I fell pretty hard for 2 aquarius men who have suns in my 7th. It wasn't meant to be or it was too soon to be (I have saturn right on DC).

Then I met this Gemini guy who has sun squae my moon, with his sun in my 11th and with a 10 degrees orb conjunct my venus, and I have venus in 11th. That was when I fell so deeply in love and my life was vegetal for 3 years after the breakup.

I have also met men with their suns in my 8th, and my relations with them has been kind of "spiritual", as in they reminding me of the poor, or of those in need of help (I did financially help 2 of them).

I tend to run away from people with their sun in my 4th. As I have pluto there.

I also seem to be idolizing people with their suns in my 10th. A few months ago I met this younger guy (5 years), and I felt a deep connection. He mentored me on a project for a while and I started crushing HARD on him. I later realized that his sun is right on my MC.

But the three people I love the most in my life are:

- my bestie of 7 years with her sun right on my DC
- a friend I had 10 years ago with my sun on her DC, and her venus/mars conjunct my NN
- a friend I had 12 years ago with her sun square mine, my sun on her DC and her moon conjunct my NN

posted October 04, 2016 11:39 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
All the meanings of the 12th house could potentially apply. He and you likely have a karmic connection (which sounds vague), and the importance of understanding yourself on deep levels, your own motivations and deep seated processes of which you yourself may be unaware, will likely be brought into prominence by this person. He is a revelatory influence for you, although you may have to face the undoing of much of what you thought you were, and see that which you truly are (spirit, light )...

He can't really help bringing these things up for you. He can.likely see right through you (depending which planets, it will be through those lenses)...

Whether he is consciously interested in a spiritual connection would vee indicated by the nature of the aspects between your charts, and the composite charts, and the way his chart aspects the composite.

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posted October 04, 2016 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Mohini108:
Yeah I feel that. I have a woman's Venus in my 12th house and it's so powerful. There is also an exact Venus Conjunct Jupiter synastry aspect involved in this 12th house overlay between us (my natal Jupiter is in my 12th house). I certainly feel this powerful connection, but have no clue if she feels anything substantial on her part

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posted October 04, 2016 08:03 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
All the meanings of the 12th house could potentially apply. He and you likely have a karmic connection (which sounds vague), and the importance of understanding yourself on deep levels, your own motivations and deep seated processes of which you yourself may be unaware, will likely be brought into prominence by this person. He is a revelatory influence for you, although you may have to face the undoing of much of what you thought you were, and see that which you truly are (spirit, light )...

He can't really help bringing these things up for you. He can.likely see right through you (depending which planets, it will be through those lenses)...

Whether he is consciously interested in a spiritual connection would vee indicated by the nature of the aspects between your charts, and the composite charts, and the way his chart aspects the composite.

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Ooo. Thank you.

I wonder how he is going to do that. I practice yoga to become one with oneself. He does tell me he loves me they way I am.

As far as planets, his sun, moon, mars & Mercury all fall there.

posted October 05, 2016 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
2nd house is about values, in a very real, physical sense, as it is in the Quadrant relating to the physical. What you value and what makes you feel secure.

Everything else is a Derivation of this, Money for example.

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Agree completely.