posted October 25, 2016 03:12 PM            

I met this person abroad (in his country) 2 years ago. The 1st time I saw him I thought “I want to be in your arms; and if you’d know me, you’d want to hold me in your arms too.” He didn’t see me in that moment, but some days later we met, it was only the 2 of us in an empty café-bar, so I took a seat next to him and we had our 1st conversation; we spoke about love -very soon-, and relationships. I can’t go in the detail too much, but I could see him every day, most of the time there was no interaction between us, but I started to have strange symptoms: sadness and depression every time he left the horizon, sometimes my legs -literally- shaked in his presence, the root of my hair lifted, and people could see my face changing (expression, or color), to the point they asked me what was wrong with me!
To make the long story short, I went back the last year to his city (where i stay now), the intensity of my feelings for him only had grown stronger in his absence. When we met coincidentally I could sense it was going to happen. Then we had the opportunity to go out together, the 2 of us, and in a few hours we found out odd similarities between us (I was born the same day of his sister, our fathers do the same job, my mother and his sister play the same instrument, etc.), we also talked a little about horoscopes and numerology. So I found out his TOB, and here there are our charts.
I also have to confess, something happened between us that day when we dated (from the afternoon till the next morning); in a few hours we went from being almost “strangers” to a sort of sudden “friendship”, then intimacy (emotional as well as physical), with me almost telling him (in the late night!) that I loved him, and he told me: "No, tell me that you don’t".
Suddenly everything went wrong, we had an intense crisis, a lot of guilty feelings, fears, rejection and obscurity came out. I’m older than him (and female), I’m in a (troubled) relationship, but I can’t help what I feel. This was few months ago, I knew he was in love with a girl and that day he also told me he wanted to marry her, he thinks she is the One for him, but the truth is: she had already left him when he said this to me! So he was also feeling very guilty being with me because he was in love with the girl. Very complex and weird, it was really too much for just one day of interaction!

I’m a little into astrology now, so I know that my natal Pluto-Venus conjunction in Scorpio that hit his angles and Venus - maybe- can explain the intensity that I feel:

my Venus in Scorpio is conjunct his Venus in Scorpio
conjunct his NN in Scorpio
conjunct his Asc in Scorpio
also my Pluto is conjunct his Venus (a bit wide), his NN and Asc.
My Moon falls in his 8th and receives a loose opposition from his Pluto.
My Moon squares his Pluto.

[synastry chart in the posts below]

The composite is very similar to my natal chart, with the 3rd-9th house emphasis.
I think the Moon trine Venus, Pluto trine Moon and Pluto conjunct Venus are nice and intense, though the Neptune and Uranus opposition to the Moon represent some challenge.

The Davison has a similar "scent": in the Compo we have Mars in the 8th, in Davison we have Sun in the 8th. There's not the Pluto-Venus conj, but a Mars-Pluto opposition, then Moon and Venus, Moon and Mercury, Venus and Mercury, Moon and Neptune-Uranus, Venus and Neptune-Uranus are all in conjunction (all in 9th house), along with Saturn.

[charts below]

I would like to read your comments, especially from expert astrologers who have seen a lot of charts, I’d really appreciate your insights!

posted October 27, 2016 08:51 PM            

Anyone could tell me what can be seen in these charts, impressions? Anyone? I've got only my own interpretation till now.

Faith?
Ami Anne?

posted October 27, 2016 10:33 PM            

Just came to thank you for reminding me of this song...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkusWg3sYYs

Be back later to read the full story and charts

posted October 27, 2016 11:01 PM            

If Cap, then the ruler of his sun is conjunct the ruler of your sun in Pisces, a good start. However, it's his Saturn in the dutiful 6H conjunct your Jupiter in fun-loving 5H. Is there a chance that he takes things more seriously than you? Not wanting a quick declaration of love seems Cappy.

More on the Pisces theme: His sun is conjunct your Neptune. Composite moon in Cancer opposes composite Neptune as well. So that all looks good and comforting but also there's a potential for things getting too "out there" and not grounded enough.

I'm curious about why you told him you loved him right away. I suppose it's your Sag Mercury conjunct his Jupiter, plus you have that 3H stellium in composite...lots of communication.

What were the transits like when you spent the night together, if you don't mind saying (or posting yet another chart)?

My computer is acting up so I'll post this and get back to you later.

posted October 28, 2016 08:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
You seem to have found so much already.

I'm wondering, is he a Cap or Sag?

If Cap, then the ruler of his sun is conjunct the ruler of your sun in Pisces, a good start. However, it's his Saturn in the dutiful 6H conjunct your Jupiter in fun-loving 5H. Is there a chance that he takes things more seriously than you? Not wanting a quick declaration of love seems Cappy.

More on the Pisces theme: His sun is conjunct your Neptune. Composite moon in Cancer opposes composite Neptune as well. So that all looks good and comforting but also there's a potential for things getting too "out there" and not grounded enough.

I'm curious about why you told him you loved him right away. I suppose it's your Sag Mercury conjunct his Jupiter, plus you have that 3H stellium in composite...lots of communication.

What were the transits like when you spent the night together, if you don't mind saying (or posting yet another chart)?

My computer is acting up so I'll post this and get back to you later.

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Thank you so much Faith!!

I didn't say "I love you" to him, i just told him I liked him, when he felt so guilty about it, he had also shared with me some ugly part of himself (things he did that are not pretty at all... my Moon in his 8th house?), so I wanted to make it clear to him. And he assumed that I was in love with him, and said "Tell me that you don't". I felt so overwhelmed anyway, and he too. We didn't talk for 7 months after that till I send him a message on fb.

Saturn can mean also him blocking me? Because now it feels more as a rejection... rather than commitment. But he accepted me when I wrote to him days ago and he responded. I just wanted to "ease" the feelings between us, ask him if he's well, etc.

I'm going to post our transits of that night.

About the rulers I found out that: our Venus are conjunct, and Venus is the ruler of my Asc and 8th house, his Venus is the ruler of his Dsc and 7th house.

But the reason I feel an "inner" bond with him could be the Draconic chart too. We have all angles conjunct Asc-Dsc, Mc-Ic, and Sun-Moon conjunction. Maybe I'll stick it up too.

Cap or Sag, who knows, is Sun is on the cusp.

posted October 28, 2016 08:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Oh hi! Thought others were responding...

Just came to thank you for reminding me of this song...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkusWg3sYYs

Be back later to read the full story and charts

(Later) Oh that's a sad story...sorry for my lighthearted song!

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Ahaha thank you for the song!!
Don't be sorry, I'm a positive person and I like lightness!!... Heaviness as well (ahhh the Pluto depths...)

posted October 28, 2016 01:49 PM            

I have problems with photo bucket so I’ll tell you.

I don’t know what it means, but the transiting houses are in the same position of HIS natal houses, so in a way “mirroring” his natal chart and angles.

I’ve included Eros and Psyche because we have a DW in our synastry.

The most interesting aspects are:

Tr. MARS conjunct my Mercury in Sag;
Tr. VENUS conjunct my Eros in the 5th in Pisces, soft aspect to my Black Lilith, square my Mercury;
Tr. MOON in my 8th house, making a soft aspect to my Mars-Jupiter conjunction in 5th house, to my Psyche on the 12th house cusp., + an opposition to my natal PLUTO-VENUS conjunction in the 2nd house in Scorpio;

if matters, my natal Moon falls in the tr. 8th house (the houses do transit as well??);

Tr. PSYCHE conjunct my Chiron;
Tr. MERCURY conjunct my Mars-Jupiter conjunction in the 5th (along with tr. NEPTUNE);
Tr. JUPITER in my 12th house, conjunct my natal Psyche, square my natal Saturn, my Sun-Uranus conjunction, square my natal Moon, making an opposition to my Jupiter-Mars conjunction, and to the transiting Neptune-Mercury as well;

The “slow planets” (I’m having my 1st Saturn return):

Tr. PLUTO on my IC (this is slow, though), square my SN, makes soft aspect to my Jupiter and Mars;
Tr. NEPTUNE conjunct my Mars-Jupiter in 5th and trine natal Scorpio Venus-Pluto conjunction (THE FAIRY TALE, OR THE ILLUSION?);
tr. URANUS conjunct exact my NN in Aries in 7th house (shock in relationships?).

In brief, I think it shows that my Venus-Pluto, Sun-Uranus, Mars-Jupiter, and my Moon are activated?
It’s curios because these are some of the energies that we have in our charts…

His transits:

The houses and and all the 4 ANGLES match exactly the houses and angles in his natal chart! AC-DC, IC-MC.
I don’t know what it could mean…

Tr. MARS conjunct his Pluto-Jupiter conjunction in the 1st house in scorpio;
Tr. VENUS conjunct his Psyche, make an opposition to his natal MARS, squares his black lilith, soft aspect to his Mercury;
tr. SUN and CHIRON fall in his 5th house, square his Eros;
tr. MOON conjunct his SOUTH NODE in 7th house, makes an opposition to his natal Venus in 1st house in Scorpio, square his natal Moon;
tr. PSYCHE on his vertex;
tr. JUPITER in his 11th house make a soft aspect to his Venus and the SN;

tr. NEPTUNE quincunx his Moon;
tr. Neptune, Mercury and Venus fall in his 4th house; tr. Neptune and Mercury fall on his natal Saturn in Pisces.

I see conjunctions to the nodes (Moon on his South Node exact) and some planets affecting Moon and Venus, and the conjunction in his chart (Mars on his Pluto-Jupiter in Scorpio).

Do you see any meaning in the houses that are affected?

I think it's good to see them for study purposes, it's not just for me. I want to learn how to interpret charts.

Thank you for the patience and for your time!!

posted October 28, 2016 02:32 PM            

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So I found out his TOB, and here there are our charts.

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Can I ask what the exact degree and sign of his sun are, when you pull up the chart?

I've gotten accustomed to thinking in terms of exact or very close degrees when it comes to transits, so I'm paying the most attention to them.

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tr. URANUS conjunct exact my NN in Aries in 7th house (shock in relationships?).

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This looks like the most significant thing, especially since Aries is the sign of the self/ego, and you have sun conjunct Uranus natally. So significant!!!

Just cherrypicking from the things you mentioned:

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Tr. MARS conjunct his Pluto-Jupiter conjunction in the 1st house in scorpio

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Tr. MARS conjunct my Mercury in Sag;

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No wonder you wanted to tell him you loved him. But I hear you, you didn't actually say it. Well the Sag-Cap cusp is reputed to be psychic and I do believe it. So if he just thought you might say it and asked you not to....that's interesting.

Now you're talking again with Scorpio sun-Mercury approaching your composite Venus, that's good.

For what it's worth, imgur.com is A LOT easier to use than photobucket, at least on my machine. I can barely ever use photobucket without major hassles.

I'd love to see the draconic charts when or if it's convenient to you. I don't like to be demanding but it's gotten to the point where I feel like I don't know what to focus on until I see a bunch of charts, find overlapping degrees, and consider the theme from looking at those tightest aspects.

posted October 28, 2016 04:21 PM            

longitude 0° 1'35" in Capricorn, declination 23°26'17" S

conjunct his Mercury 25°.

my Sun: longitude 22°43' in Sag, declination 23° 14' S.

So our Suns are conjunct (7 degrees), but parallel too?
Since i was born the same day of his sister, I think he shares this aspect with her too.

I've studied a lot our charts, finding degrees and aspects between our charts, composite + tropicals, draconic to tropicals, etc.

Another interesting fact is that his Venus and MC match exactly the Venus and MC of my FATHER, that could be a reason why I thought he was similar to my father in some way... astrology is an incredible thing.

So I have a lot of information, just ask, I just don't know the real importance of all the infos that I've found, or what they mean.

You're not demanding at all, I'm glad you're asking.

I know that Ceri knows a lot about draconic, I read somewhere some of her interpretations, could be of help.
I think it's a very interesting chart, with all those angles and luminaries matching, it's so fascinating to me.

I'm going to follow your advice and try another web site.

posted October 28, 2016 09:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thank you! I'll get to this when I'm not as busy!

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posted October 28, 2016 09:35 PM            

Only now I see it, thanks to you reply... it seems that both in our Composite and in Davison the Sun is on the Sag-Cap cusp... what a revelation... does it have the same meaning of the natal Sun, but it's about the identity/core of the relationship?

posted October 30, 2016 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Not ignoring you, I will get to this.

Sorry for the delay.

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Don't worry, you have all the time in the world

Just putting here my thoughts and infos in the meanwhile.

Composite degrees: (lot of parallels and contra-parallels)

Sun Sag 23°23'27" S
Moon Cancer 22°52'43" N
Mercury Sag 23° 7'40" S
Venus Scorpio 15°49'50" S
Mars Gemini 21°32'35" N
Jupiter Capricorn 21°19'12" S
Saturn Capricorn 21° 4'21" S
Uranus Capricorn 23° 9' 7" S
Neptune Capricorn 22°44'35" S
Pluto Scorpio 17°29'39" S
NN Capricorn 20°11' 5" S
Black Lilith Gemini 22° N
Chiron Leo 18° N
Juno Sag 23° S

Asc Libra 8°
Ic Capricorn 20°
Dsc Aries 8°
Mc Cancer 20°

His draco Moon 28° 33' S in Capri falls near the 3rd house cluster, but in 4th house;
his draco Suturn in Cancer 19° 35' N conjunct our composite Moon (less than 3 degrees);
I wonder what this nearly exact aspects mean, I found a lot of them...

His draco Uranus and Neptune in Gemini (21° and 22°) conjunct composite Mars (21°) in the 8th, and the composite Neptune and Uranus make a minor aspect to Mars too; so aspects repeat...

Astrology enthralls me

posted October 30, 2016 11:41 PM            

How do you feel about posting the actual charts here, would that be too explicit?

You just copy and then paste between img's.

[img] your link [/img]

I did manage to see that you have a sun-moon conjunction in draconic and I thought something was transiting there during your date, but when I went to check again it wouldn't load. :-/

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it seems that both in our Composite and in Davison the Sun is on the Sag-Cap cusp... what a revelation... does it have the same meaning of the natal Sun, but it's about the identity/core of the relationship?

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I'm sorry, I forget how people differentiate between the two, but the sun will be in the same location in composite and Davison.

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His draco Uranus and Neptune in Gemini (21° and 22°) conjunct composite Mars (21°) in the 8th, and the composite Neptune and Uranus make a minor aspect to Mars too; so aspects repeat...

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I'll have to look and see but it's common for aspects to repeat over and over. One of the puzzling things about astrology....themes do emerge.

Well in this case, the blending of Mars-Neptune-Uranus looks dreamy and exciting but perhaps a little unstable and difficult to pin down.

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Another interesting fact is that his Venus and MC match exactly the Venus and MC of my FATHER, that could be a reason why I thought he was similar to my father in some way... astrology is an incredible thing.

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Oh yes, that's actually pretty common, I think. Well I was shocked to see that my husband's Saturn is conjunct my father's in Sag. Also both my grandfathers had Sag Saturn. My husband's sun conjunct my father's moon which is conjunct my father's Vertex and draconic sun. I learned this many years after I got married and after my father had died. So it's definitely not like I did it on purpose!!

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I've studied a lot our charts, finding degrees and aspects between our charts, composite + tropicals, draconic to tropicals, etc.

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To me it can be a fascinating commentary on how things feel and why they came together at a particular time, but not usually any kind of guarantee about relationship longevity and security...not just looking at the charts. That's the annoying part.

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His Sun:
longitude 0° 1'35" in Capricorn, declination 23°26'17" S

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Ah, okay good, so your suns are out-of-sign conjunct, AND your suns rulers are conjunct in Pisces. Not sure what it means but it's interesting.

posted October 31, 2016 11:14 AM            

Synastry:

posted October 31, 2016 05:38 PM            

His transits 1st date

My transits 1st date

Davison

Draconic synastry

posted November 01, 2016 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I think you just have to remove the spaces before and after your link.

[img]link[/img] with no spaces

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