posted October 29, 2016 07:47 AM            

in both composite and synastry I can only see physical attraction: the composite NN in the 5th shows playful fun and sex, and with vertex in the 7th and sun conjunct mercury, the theme of this relationship is learning from one another. this conjunction is in the 9th and there can be long distances between you or one of you always acts like a teacher and the other a student. in the composite mars is conjunct neptune which can point to a male with a dreamy nature. he might be into poetry, art or even drugs and alcohol. on the other hand, venus is trine saturn which points out to a realistic female. they're at odds, and neither mars/neptune nor venus nor saturn are receiving supportive aspects from the sun. with the sun conjunct mercury, the reason behind this relationship is learning from one another. communication will either be very good or will not exist at all. then this conjunction is square mars/neptune. the male might perceive this relationship as an obstacle in the way of reaching his goals, and he might even feel emasculated or sexually weak. mercury square neptune shows that there is no honesty between the two. constant lying only to keep the situations calm can occur. with chiron opposite uranus/pluto, harsh words and cold criticism of one another over social status can be exchanged. with the composite moon in the 8th, either both or one of them might be involved with someone else. it doesn't necessarily means cheating, but they have feelings for other people. there is a constant fear of the other partner cheating with this placement. then moon is square saturn, which can point out to a younger female. it can also point to the fact that any expression of feelings will be confronted with coldness. the person expressing feelings might be demanded to act more maturely and/or never show any sort of vulnerability or need for emotional support. it's a tough placement especially on the female in the relationship. moons is trine neptune/mars and jupiter. and shows a sexual, religious and sacrificing female, and all these aspects of her she must sacrifice for the sake of appearing "mature" for saturn's liking.

the toughest aspects I am seeing in synastry:
- the blue sun is unaspected by any planet of red: red rarely notices or consider's blue
- red saturn in blue's 8th: red forcing blue into being more ambitious
- no planet of blue in red's 7th: red having a hard time finding their relationships needs met with blue
- venuses 3 signs away: not necessarily square, but they anyway have very different values, tastes and needs in love
- incompatible marses: difficulty in sexual fulfillment
- red mercury square blue venus: difficulty in communication with blue becoming critical of red's tastes and values
- red venus opposite blue jupiter: red only wanting to take advantage of blue, or simply wanting blue for sex or material gain (confirmed by blue's pluto and venus in red's 2nd, not a romantic venus overlay, but rather red perceives blue as a rich person)
- red's sun/venus are in blue's 6th, which again is hardly romantic, and shows that blue is looking for someone to clean after them or take care of them

although, upon seeing the composite sun square the AC, it will be enough to say that this isn't a healthy one.

about your question on venus/neptune, in the composite they're square, which is challenging. it can show that where there is mercy, there is no love, or that love is without mercy or empathy.

overall, I believe that this relationship is only based on sex, material gain and a teacher-student kind of interaction. usually in such cases, when the student has learned enough, they move on and so will the teacher who will no longer be receiving sex or self-confidence for their teachings.

I know that every person deserves and can have a relationship where the composite sun is conjunct venus and also harmoniously aspecting the moon. and with the sun or the moon in the 7th. I have seen enough charts between couples to say for sure that anybody can have this kind of relationship, only if we are ready to let go of toxic relationships first.

I hope this helps :-)

posted October 30, 2016 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by thegrinning_cat:
Oh, and one more Question: What does Sun square ASC mean exactly?
Why is it bad?

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I've never seen it as bad.

posted October 30, 2016 07:52 PM            

I've got a question for you, since you mentioned sexual attraction in this synastry.

Forgive me, but I'm kinda stunned you missed it entirely in the synastry I posted some weeks ago. I thought I'd go ahead and point out what are some key facets of sexual attraction, as you may not be aware.

You correctly identified the 10H-2H overlay, which is a definite business / professional flavour. My SUN in his 10H is going to focus the core of our energy into professional matters -- namely his career. Absolutely. While we're costars, I'm the series producer, and also casting director. So there's a bit of a dual relationship going there; while we're costars, he also takes direction from me, which does complicate things slightly.

The other overlay at the solar level is the 8H/11H. Here's where stuff gets interesting. While my efforts are going into establishing a professional relationship, for him, the natural dynamics are the very definition of casual sex; his 8H LUST-SUN is overlaying into my 11H, unconsciously fuelling the feeling that something which was an unattainable aspiration is actually possible. And that is a VERY powerful draw, indeed.

So, we're batting 50/50 in terms of, 'WTF is this?' with, on the one hand, I'm driven to form a professional relationship, (2H SUN / 10H), and he's got no qualms in pursuing a social connexion, which would also be beneficial in terms of expanding his own circle, and creating greater opportunities. I'm thinking, 'you've got the look, I've got the brains ... let's make lots of money ... ' while he's a bit more, well, the proof was probably in the audition where he kept grabbing me. Even though it wasn't in the script. It DOES fit the characters, I later realised. But I was pretty blown away by how comfortable he was interacting with a stranger in such a 'hey, let's exchange energies, baby,' kind of way. Not that I was the least bit put off by it. Which is WEIRD for me.

Of course, I can explain why, and that takes us to the crux of things.

His MARS is, after all, overlaying into my 8H; his masculine drive, the very force of what defines 'action' for him as a person is already expressing itself in 8H terms: sex, deep stuff, soul stuff, transformation, catharsis, and a little whiff of life-and-death. Ohhhh, yeah. We got all of that. We formed an energetic bond upon physical contact within seconds. That doesn't usually happen to me -- ever, really -- and it led to a very powerful catharsis and personal transformation for me.

But what's up with my MARS? It's overlaying into his 12H, conjunct his MOON, which is a classic, textbook sign of physical attraction IF the proper stimuli are there. I've gone dumpster-diving into his psyche, which he's developed a love-hate relationship over; a very, 'how am I letting you DO this?' whereas it would've already been shut down long ago, in other circumstances.

I think what's making these unique, and clearly driven towards interpersonal complications, is the fact that the MOON conjunct MARS represents each of our 8R, or our 8th house rulers. It's almost an unconscious, visceral relationship; when you've already got 'The 8H / 5H Overlay' with ANY activity whatsoever, (which I've found to be bizarrely accurate in predicting a sexual relationship) to add an 8R conjunct 8R is almost like, 'okay, you're kidding me, right?'

So, my final conclusion of this synastry was that its natural dynamics are what I'm cheekily calling 'CWB' or Costars With Benefits'. The moment will come that our 0º VERTEX-SAPPHO conjunction activates in his 8H, with the SUN/LUST=NYMPHE, and once that OOB LUST parallel OOB LUST kicks in ... well, the rest will be history.

You were right on the potential for SUN in 10H to help the other attain fame, though I'd suggest NEPTUNE should be involved in that planetary picture, or at least JUPITER.

The SUN/CHIRON opposition can certainly be painful, I agree. I think the fact that his CHIRON is conjunct my PRIAPUS, though, hints to the fact that some of my greatest insecurities have been in the fact that I 'took myself off the market' due to prominent sexual dysfunction for most of my life. The transformative influence of the catharsis that kicked off when we met and began working together, inspired me to decide to try again, and stop believing I'm simply incapable. I've not tested that theory out yet, but so far, I think it could be true.

Anyway, girl, you gave a decent cursory analysis, but missed a crucial aspect of the synastry dynamics. Remember to pay attention to rulers, all possible interpretations of house placements, and to look for emerging themes.

Along with the professional theme, there are very prominent sexual dynamics here, which are being expressed by a number of different aspects, placements, and inter-relationships. Maybe you were rushing when you offered your delineation -- of which I was very appreciative! -- and just lacked time to really properly analyse.

posted November 01, 2016 09:20 AM            

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Originally posted by thegrinning_cat:
Oh, and one more Question: What does Sun square ASC mean exactly?
Why is it bad?

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posted November 01, 2016 09:38 AM            

I'm afraid I don't exactly remember your chart now!

posted November 01, 2016 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
it's the aspect I often see in affairs. it often happens along with either the sun, the moon, venus or mars in the 8th composite house.

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Do 8th house planets in a composite always point to infidelity on one or both parts or feelings of being cheated on?

Would Moon in the 8th house composite mean it would affect the female more than the male?

It's confusing because some interpretations see the composite Moon as the "female" whereas others see the composite Moon as the overall emotional nature/tone of the relationship. Would the Moon in the 8th therefore not be a very emotionally intimate (albeit intense) placement?

After all, modern relationship astrology places so much emphasis on having 5th, 7th & 8th house placements for complete fulfillment in all areas I am surprised to see the 8th house being a negative in the composite.

ETA: To add to what I've said, I'm very curious to know your thoughts on this relationship (with an 8th house example) if you have time (not to derail this thread).

posted November 01, 2016 01:08 PM              

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
I haven't seen these planets especially (venus, mars, mercury) incompatible in charts of any happily married (more than 21 years) couples I have checked.

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posted November 07, 2016 09:25 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
dear auby

I'm afraid I don't exactly remember your chart now!

and as for the house rulerships, I am well aware of this important concept in astrology. however when analyzing relationships for the potential of love, soulmates and healthy affectionate relationships, I firstly check to see whether each persons's sun, moon, venus and mars aspects to the other's are promising loving interactions, and then I check for house overlays and especially having planets in the other person's 7th and 5th. and then if their axises are falling unto each other (one's AC conjunct the other's MC or IC). and then looking to see what the composite is saying. usually these stuff are enough to say if this is a love relationship or a selfish/destructive one. no amount of asteroid aspects or 4th/10th house placements and house overlays in my opinion can make up for the void which the lack of the aspects I mentioned above creates. and yes, I can say for sure that the incompatibility of venus, mars and mercury signs creates problematic and stressful situations in relationships. often leading to resentment and needs being unfulfilled. then the person stars looking for it elsewhere. it's usually the case when neither the composite nor the synastry are promising a lasting loving relationship. I haven't seen these planets especially (venus, mars, mercury) incompatible in charts of any happily married (more than 21 years) couples I have checked.

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No worries. I was just looking at specific dynamics, rather than for any kind of committed romantic longevity. As my husband and I are swingers, with a polyamorous lifestyle, we like to know 'what's up' with others, even if we're not seeking traditional aspects in a relationship -- or, in this case -- the astrology.