posted November 12, 2016 01:53 PM            

Why does my boyfriend of 3 years claim to've fallen for me on sight, on a level he couldn't even fathom?

Why is the actor attached to be my costar in my upcoming TV series constantly giving me the runaround and keeping his distance following such a powerful, clearly mutual experience upon meeting? He won't let go, nor engage me.

Both are actors and workaholics, extremely private loners, highly secretive, with terrifying commitment issues, and complications with empathy that lead them to put up a false front. They were also born elsewhere and raised in Texas before moving to Los Angeles.

The most critical difference is that the show was an audio project then, and is now in development for television.

Upon being burnt in former projects, the second man is unwilling to offer anything but an attachment (agreed-upon casting) until the project is in production.

The first, involved in the audio project, showed an active interest in becoming friends, despite the script being incomplete, and only demo tracks being available for recording. Within six months, we were exploring a romantic relationship.

The second man has given me a tremendous benefit of the doubt, but ultimately refused any involvement in one another's lives beyond being Facebook friends. I feel my occasional attempts at friendship, since September, being clearly rejected. He has been firm, however, regarding his commitment to the project. It's very confusing.

It's strange to me, that I wouldn't even be friends with one who's undertaking such a phenomenal thing with me. There's a bittersweetness about it; so much time will pass, and it feels as if it'll be so much lonelier than it had to be. I felt a clear sense that I should attempt to know this man, and his stark refusal has been confusing, and even bizarre. He claims his behaviour is perfectly normal, and questions anyone who'd choose to conduct themselves otherwise, when questioned. This stems from past experiences upon which he won't elaborate.

While we've had a few very good conversations, he blows hot-and-cold in true Uranian fashion. I thought I could keep up, being a MOON-URA, but he supersedes my own capacity for being changeable, difficult, and unusual. That's really saying something, too.

At any rate ... I thought to place them on the inside, in both cases. Both of their Ascendants and houses, which are accurate, given the correct TOB for each.

Enjoy. Let me know if you come up with anything. It's an intriguing puzzle, to be sure. Or, perhaps just to me.

(Oh, as to the Alice-heavy chart, I figured as that's such a sharp focus, I'd include the points I usually use when examining these types of charts, along with some of the usual points.)

posted November 12, 2016 02:17 PM            

could you put the aspect grid. it is hard to look at aspect without that.

which synastry is the first, and the second? i looked at the first one (only the house for the main planets).. i find it hard to ignore moon in and empty 8th. I have and empty 8th and someone put his moon there and it is really something... but I felt a little bit of repulsion-attraction at the begining.. which in your synastry may be reinforced by the pluto-mars conjunction.

I always find beautiful moon in 12. people putting their moon or venus there always make me trust them.. however his mars in your 12... hum.. i have only negative experiences with people with mars on my 12. from betrayal to lack of trust.. there is always something fishy about someone putting their mars on my 12. not sure if that would apply to you as my 12 is in aries. it may be just me..

posted November 12, 2016 03:14 PM            

But, actually, this may be more useful. Which is the first? Which is the second? Plenty already know, heh, but it may be too similar to where it fools even those who don't REALLY know.

And it's interesting, isn't it? The MARS/12H?

As to the MOON in my empty 8H, ohhhhh, it's definitely been something! A very powerful attraction.

posted November 12, 2016 11:35 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Auby... unrelated, sorry, but I thought of you today because I was reading this magazine (called 'witches and pagans'--it's awesome, very scholarly and ingenious, an issue about polytheism...) and they were reviewing books and such, and they had a 5 broomsticks (that's stars ) review of an Alice Tarot deck I thought of you, wondered if you knew of it. They were talking about how it would be challenging even for intermediate to advanced tarot practitioners, and I thought you would be the BEST at interpreting the spreads!!

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Soooooo funny you say that, Yung. Everyone seems to be getting into the Alice Tarot, but I'm still a fan of the Wonderland Tarot. THAT is a legitimate system which is unique to itself, and, while it has direct correspondences to the Rider-Waite, and thus, Levi symbolism -- the conventional system -- it's really got its own world going on; its own themes.

I really love how it mimics the artwork of Tenniel, and feels like Rider-Waite in that sense. For example, the Hatter is the Fool. Dodgson himself is the Magician. He's pulling the White Rabbit out of the Hatter's hat. Love that.

posted November 12, 2016 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Moon-Mars can be really intense, especially for the Moon person...

His Moon in his natal 12th and then you filling up his natal 12th and hitting his Moon is understandably extremely intense for him. Maybe he feels like getting closer isn't necessary because you already know too much? And the amount of interaction you do have is PLENTY stimulating?

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Why's it always gotta be that way, yeah? My MARS was on my ex-producing partner's MOON, too, and he only bolted after several years, and it was starting to get 'too real'.

And, I dunno ... friggin' MOON-CHESHIRECAT. I'm certainly going to have to start delineating THAT one, because I can't tell if it's like a 'name asteroid' in our case, or a defining point. Maybe both.

I am all up in his 12H. :: sigh :: It brought out my greatest intensity, and I feel like he's the most bizarre tease. As if he's dangling his potential presence in my life as a means to motivate me to secure the financing on the project, so that we can go into production. But that sucks, actually. Not even friends? Wow. That's really harsh. And I can't KNOW anything, because he won't SAY it. I'm stuck interpreting his actions.

I've literally seen him once since mid-September. His audition. Which lasted two hours (which never, ever happens). We've spoken on the phone once since then, and maybe had less than 45 texts between us.

There's just no reason for it. And, what bothers me, given the bizarre similarities he has astrologically to my boyfriend, I can't help but wonder, in the absence of his casting, our starting work on the audio drama, AND, his not having several other projects he was working on ...

... would we have gotten to know each other at all?

Given all of the factors in play -- he couldn't really say.

I believe it, though. He's telling the truth. Given less conducive circumstances, with that personality? It may have gone very, very differently.

posted November 12, 2016 11:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Soooooo funny you say that, Yung. Everyone seems to be getting into the Alice Tarot, but I'm still a fan of the Wonderland Tarot. THAT is a legitimate system which is unique to itself, and, while it has direct correspondences to the Rider-Waite, and thus, Levi symbolism -- the conventional system -- it's really got its own world going on; its own themes.

I really love how it mimics the artwork of Tenniel, and feels like Rider-Waite in that sense. For example, the Hatter is the Fool. Dodgson himself is the Magician. He's pulling the White Rabbit out of the Hatter's hat. Love that.

It's a very difficult deck, though. Tough for most to read. I've been evaluating the Alice one, though as of late. I'm not seeing what makes it a tough deck to read, though. Ten of Cups is pretty much Ten of Cups, yeah?

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I haven't seen either, but of course you're all over it!

posted November 12, 2016 11:55 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
On the other hand, we have Mars loving up a Pluto-Sun, Jupiter near the cusp of YOUR 12th along with Venus right in there, loving you on first sight makes a lot of sense there (and it makes sense that with the other one's Venus on the cusp of your 12th also there is love for you which goes beyond reason and is on some level unconditional)...

We have Neptune alone on your Uranus-Moon-Mars, extremely stimulating, another unconditional love aspect. Very inspiring, for sure... without the added sensitivity and rawness of a Moon there.

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Spot on for all of the above. And the MOON-MOON conjunction may be one of the toughest parts. All that damned 12H stuff.

I've got a NEPTUNE/MOON conjunct NEPTUNE with my husband's new girlfriend. I really, really miss her; she lives far away. We clicked immediately, and the psychic link is insane.

It's weird. Maybe it's circumstances. And even sign energy. With she and I, it's all Sag. But with him and me, it's all Scorpio.

I do feel the VENUS/12H you're talking about, though. That's where he's given me WAY more leeway than he usually does. He logically justifies it off of the strength of my work, and being very dedicated to the project. But it's arguably unusual, for someone THAT jaded, and THAT cagey, that he would have been -- that he would have allowed himself to connect with me, from behind the 'safety' of his performance. If you follow.

posted November 13, 2016 12:02 AM            

Do you think you might remind him of his mother? Just a thought, and it could be that he isn't exactly friends with her, with a twelfth house Moon... and yet her influence is obviously pervasive and confusing for him, also. He probably has trouble knowing himself completely, right? Yet he feels naked, exposed, and seen... and triggered, oh my yes...

But there's a chance this will all be to good effect.

He does LIKE you, I think that's true. It doesn't mean he doesn't like you... but as I said... many people aren't able to be friends, exactly, with their mothers... or their own inner lunar nature for that matter... he may consider his own feelings the 'enemy,' sometimes. Which is hard! Even if he wanted to be friends, he might prevent himself, you know? He feels exposed no matter what he does... gotta have compassion for a 12th house Moon, that's for sure..

I re-state: aspect lines! Composite charts! Davisons! The works!

(sauerkraut? home-made ketchup?)

Lol or not, maybe I'm content with what you've given.

posted November 13, 2016 12:02 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
My Mars is on my ex's Moon... I feel your pain!!

Mars wants it soooo bad lol... ugh.

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It makes you crazy! Take risks you'd never, ever dare. Like writing a bizarrely perfect email to a near stranger that says EVERYTHING they need to hear -- and then freaking out that it sent the wrong message, and backpedalling at lightning speed.

I remember not sleeping for a night, and living in nigh perpetual anxiety for a few days until he told me that it didn't ruin everything. That it didn't jeopardise everything; 'not at all,' was his actual response. I remember thinking: I can breathe again! I really watched it after that.

posted November 13, 2016 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
A puzzle... and an unfolding one, at that! Sure is a lot of stimulation for his Moon...

Do you think you might remind him of his mother? Just a thought, and it could be that he isn't exactly friends with her, with a twelfth house Moon... and yet her influence is obviously pervasive and confusing for him, also. He probably has trouble knowing himself completely, right? Yet he feels naked, exposed, and seen... and triggered, oh my yes...

But there's a chance this will all be to good effect.

He does LIKE you, I think that's true. It doesn't mean he doesn't like you... but as I said... many people aren't able to be friends, exactly, with their mothers... or their own inner lunar nature for that matter... he may consider his own feelings the 'enemy,' sometimes. Which is hard! Even if he wanted to be friends, he might prevent himself, you know? He feels exposed no matter what he does... gotta have compassion for a 12th house Moon, that's for sure..

I re-state: aspect lines! Composite charts! Davisons! The works!

(sauerkraut? home-made ketchup?)

Lol or not, maybe I'm content with what you've given.

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This really, REALLY helps me. MOON. Huh.

... karma? Possibly? Potentially, it'd be completely unconscious -- all of it. And for someone who's obviously NOT a fan of being out of control -- even as much as he absolutely loves it when he actually lets himself ....

posted November 13, 2016 12:13 AM            

Apparently the dodo bird is very, very very angry with humans and just screams and wants to be left alone, as do the spirits of most recently extinct creatures... they're not very happy with humans.. understandably But they want us to prevent further extinctions.

Also as I suspected, dinosaurs are upset about being depicted according to the human's internal feelings at the time (as violent/stupid/etc etc--they were individual living feeling beings).

I realized that finally at 'Dinosaurs Alive' at our local zoo this year... there were these huge animatronic dinosaurs making sounds and then little plaques saying what they ate and what the purpose of their weird head flaps and stuff were (they are to hear better, and sense things, etc). And I realized they had feelings and traveled in herds and loved each other, etc etc etc

I mean I knew.. but now i KNOW

But anyway...

Davison charts!

posted November 13, 2016 04:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Thanks, nordic.

How would you like to see the aspect grid? I never actually post them.

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This additional file (in PDF) that you can get when getting the chart in Astro.com there is a grid with the aspects between the planets in one person compared to the other and it gives if the aspect is applying and the orb... sorry i do not know how to post an example as I never managed to post a chart here...

posted November 13, 2016 11:55 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
This additional file (in PDF) that you can get when getting the chart in Astro.com there is a grid with the aspects between the planets in one person compared to the other and it gives if the aspect is applying and the orb... sorry i do not know how to post an example as I never managed to post a chart here...

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posted November 13, 2016 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Glad that my reflections could be helpful. They actually helped me get clarity on my situation too... amazing what reading for someone else will do for my understanding in general of things... yeah, Moon... it's pretty multi-faceted.

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posted November 13, 2016 12:04 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Poor dodo bird That magazine I was reading also had an article by a woman who was writing a book about animal totems and the symbolism of different animals who wanted to have their stories told... when a wall fell on her and nearly killed her. She had brain damage and memory loss, and what happened then was that EXTINCT animals started talking to her and requesting that she share their stories.

Apparently the dodo bird is very, very very angry with humans and just screams and wants to be left alone, as do the spirits of most recently extinct creatures... they're not very happy with humans.. understandably But they want us to prevent further extinctions.

Also as I suspected, dinosaurs are upset about being depicted according to the human's internal feelings at the time (as violent/stupid/etc etc--they were individual living feeling beings).

I realized that finally at 'Dinosaurs Alive' at our local zoo this year... there were these huge animatronic dinosaurs making sounds and then little plaques saying what they ate and what the purpose of their weird head flaps and stuff were (they are to hear better, and sense things, etc). And I realized they had feelings and traveled in herds and loved each other, etc etc etc

I mean I knew.. but now i KNOW

But anyway...

Davison charts!

OK <3

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Now THIS is spooky. BEFORE I ever saw this particular post, I'd dreamt of randomly encountering some -- I dunno what it was. Cross between a dimetrodon and a stegosaurus. But, from what I could tell -- it did not have my best interests at heart! I put MUCH distance between me and the dino.

Ahhhh, the dodo. Y'know, Dodgson said the Dodo was his direct character representation, because of his stuttering. It's partially true. It was his public representation. The Hatter was his shadow.

Poor dodo, indeed.

posted November 13, 2016 12:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'm so glad, Yung, because your reflections are truly amazing. It DOES help for us to step outside of ourselves and gain assistance in these things. Why WASN'T I really looking at the 12H for example? Why was I just going, 'meh, karma,' and thinking, 'oh, he can hack it.' I guess I just WASN'T thinking, in all honesty.

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