posted February 08, 2017 04:24 PM            

For everyone...

♪ Paul Verlaine, Julien Joubert - Ariettes oubliées

Le piano que baise une main frêle
The piano kissed by a delicate hand
Luit dans le soir rose et gris vaguement,
Gleams distantly in rose-grey evening
Tandis qu’avec un très léger bruit d’aile
While with a wingtips’ weightless sound
Un air bien vieux, bien faible et bien charmant
A fine old tune, so fragile, charming
Rôde discret, épeuré quasiment,
Roams discreetly, almost trembling,
Par le boudoir longtemps parfumé d’Elle.
Through the chamber She’s long perfumed.

Il pleure dans mon cœur
It rains in my heart
Comme il pleut sur la ville ;
As it rains on the town,
Quelle est cette langueur
What is this languor so dark
Qui pénètre mon cœur ?
That soaks into my heart?

Qu’est-ce que c’est que ce berceau soudain
What is this sudden cradle song
Qui lentement dorlote mon pauvre être ?
That slowly lulls my poor being?
Que voudrais-tu de moi, doux Chant badin ?
What do you want of me, playful one?
Qu’as-tu voulu, fin refrain incertain
What did you wish, slight vague melody
Qui vas tantôt mourir vers la fenêtre
Drifting now, dying, towards the window
Ouverte un peu sur le petit jardin ?
Opening a little on a patch of garden?

Qui vas tantôt mourir vers la fenêtre
Drifting now, dying, towards the window
Ouverte un peu sur le petit jardin...
Opening a little on a patch of garden...

posted February 08, 2017 06:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
Yeah, it's so sad Hardly any talented astrologers left. Hopefully you yung, Lotis and Mir will post more often here.

edit: oh and Peluches, I like your interpretations too, when you pop in

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posted February 08, 2017 06:49 PM            

that is very sweet of you to say

A true peacemaker for your age

posted February 08, 2017 07:17 PM            

I am working hard on not othering/dismissing/judging and discarding anybody (in real life and online). I am learning how to do this while maintaining my own healthy boundaries.

If a person can be kind and intelligent and thoughtful in some circumstances, that should be appreciated and encouraged... a little bit of meanness and brutality does not wipe that goodness out or render it 'false'. If the world worked like that it would be very sad.

We must see each other as holistic beings and honour that in one another just as we must forgive and honour ourselves and the totality of our diverse and nuanced experiences.

That which we most vehemently dislike about others is so often a mirror reflecting something we have disowned in ourselves. Others play out our shadows for us and trigger us until we can see in what way that might have been a part of us--either in this lifetime or another.

I can see how much damage an us vs. them mindset causes... it divides our own souls in the end and causes us to be in great pain.

I'm learning that real forgiveness of ourselves and others is essential for healing... I have to forgive myself, and part of forgiveness is acknowledging that something happened of which I am not proud... it is a humbling process... but also gratitude for the very thing which forced the crisis I have found to be beneficial... also a commitment to doing things differently.

I think absolutely everybody on the forum has vital and interesting contributions to make as people, and as they share their experiences and views. We all resonate differently with different viewpoints for extremely diverse reasons. Diversity is key.

If we could walk in one another's shoes and experience all they have experienced we would surely understand their conditioning and at least be able to approach them with compassion--or not engage--or engage in a limited way so that they do not hurt us..

I understand the desire to defend friends and loved ones. I understand the desire to ensure that justice prevails.

I have seen in my life too that favoritism and the need to be special and apart from others encourages lateral violence in subtle and pronounced ways.

Humility and understanding of where everybody is really at is a powerful force for change..

We all start somewhere learning astrology but we can all teach each other by expressing ourselves and sharing our charts, hearts and minds... I learn something new about astrology from everybody here who shares their views and experiences. I have learned so much in my time here and I'm so grateful to everyone here for it.

posted February 08, 2017 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Peluches ,

thats very sweet of you to say

A true peacemaker for your age

You can teach us all

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posted February 08, 2017 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Hopefully the ones who don't like it will leave too

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posted February 08, 2017 07:38 PM            

"I don't think it was about being bigger than anything. People happily moving on to a place they prefer, seems like a win for them."

This is true.

Orange's invitation for those who don't like it to leave is coming from her own place and perspective, yes?

To read into it in a negative light is to feed the flames. Nobody is going to heal when they are feeling challenged and defensive. And without healing the chance for making amends decreases.

Yes I know why you would see it the way, given the history of the arguments. I do understand. But please see how your words and everybody's are being twisted in just the same way in the minds of those who consider themselves on the "other side".

I think all of the "should"s being stated: "people should be nice/tolerant/this/that" are not honoring the incredible depth and intensity of the human experience. We can all be pretty dastardly; I think acknowledging this is important and loving ourselves and others for all our imperfections and everything...

posted February 08, 2017 07:43 PM            

you are right in your assessment regarding my comment. I was simply stating that if someone is not happy being around, then they should leave to happier places instead of polluting this one with negativity.

posted February 08, 2017 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Orange !
I think you're very sweet too and have a very good heart.
Thank you very much... but... I learn a lot more from grown-ups. ((:

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awww..I am just praying to god you don't change. Treasure!

posted February 08, 2017 07:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Yung

you are right in your assessment regarding my comment. I was simply stating that if someone is not happy being around, then they should leave to happier places instead of polluting this one with negativity.

I have always had very fond feelings of you even when we had one time disagreement

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I'm happy to hear that my assessment resonated with you.

The perception of a person or an act or a word as being negative or polluting is a very interesting phenomenon. I notice how if I shift my perspective I can see everybody in a wide range of very different lights. One person at one moment I might judge as petty and polluted; at another, I might see them as broad-minded and loving!

It must be true that our perception colours the world very much. I find that if I look to see beauty and light and positivity that is what I find.

posted February 08, 2017 08:03 PM            

“It’s time for me to let go of the past,
Not just by walking away,
But by closing space with heartfelt grace,
So we can say all we need to say.”

http://www.mysticmamma.com/kaypacha-report-let-go-of-the-past/

posted February 08, 2017 08:13 PM            

Old forms, old bodies, friendships, love affairs, deep soul connections... there is a time for coming together and a time for parting. There is a time for understanding that this time has come... a time for taking space.

No matter how much I want to see goodness and light, when I am confronted with darkness and hatred I see these things clearly too. Whether they are projections or not, whether my perception colours them or not--I choose to turn from the hatred and towards the love... away from the harm and towards the healing...

this means sometimes, leaving.. ♢♢ sometimes it means, not engaging...

I can't tolerate that which doesn't resonate deeply with my soul--I must speak to it--try to change it--or disengage from it and let it decay and dissolve from my own field of experience to make way for the new, the light, the bright.

I can see how ineffectual directly head butting is and so I try other things these days. I have had a lot of fight in my life... a lot..

I wish you all extremely well. I will still be around a bit, and of course new growth and new insight may be had.

But no matter how much I wish for and try to see light and bright, without my dear friends and companions I will dearly miss a particular quality I found here which came from those dear souls.

Balance and honoring diversity is key to the survival of all things. When we take sides we begin down a path of imbalance.

posted February 08, 2017 08:26 PM            

A moderator who is immoderate, who picks sides, does not fit the definition of moderator, and so imbalance brews which becomes intolerable and weakens the vitality of the entire organism/board/etc. No matter how much somebody is loved, they must have their proper place or that love can be destructive.

It is best if things are kept in balance. With the loss of Ceridwen as moderator, the balance has been tipped and there is no longer trust that the people who are standing as representatives of the entire board are truly representative of the diversity, tolerance and broad mindedness which the place attracts. Not that I fault Ceridwen at all for her decision. It is simply that her soothing influence and maturity were a definite balm in dicey times and her guidance was very very valuable.

The peace of the place is in jeopardy and so is its vitality. At least in my eyes, at this moment. Not to be partisan myself but I don't know how to avoid it-- I do not feel this place resonates with the spirit of Linda Goodman if it is partisan...

It is good to truly have everybody's best interests at heart if you value their contributions and insight.

It is good to be humble if you are a leader of people

posted February 08, 2017 09:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
awww..I am just praying to god you don't change. Treasure!

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Sorry Yun for posting this here. I can edit it out later if you want.

Orange... I have to ask you to please take back the nice things and compliments you said about me... I don't deserve them and I can't accept them.

posted February 08, 2017 09:51 PM            

To me, this is less about the person of the moderator--we all have disagreements, adoration of one person or another, differences of opinion--it's about the ROLE any moderator should have. I've always liked that Lindaland isn't over-policed, but a moderator's role needs to be to shut down off-topic tangents in threads if they start to get toxic (on some sites, even if they don't! The idea was just gently to keep on topic).....one site I used to post on many years ago had a guideline, "Don't discuss the boards on the boards"--if you had a grievance about someone's post, you had to bring it up privately with the mods/administrators. No personal comments (whether positivr or negative) could be posted on the board. This kind of heavy policing had upsides and downsides. But I think Lindaland could have kept from imploding, this eclipse, with a little bit more of that kind of moderation. It's much, much more of a challenge with threads like Lindaland 2.0 or Sweetpeas, where we are invited to get very very personal---but in astrology 2.0, even with the great overlap between personality and astrology, it would be possible to keep things from spiraling and derailing as much as they did recently. If we were to go through the thread that was so extra-contentious and flag the posts that were not about astrology 2.0 at all, let alone about the topic, there would be so many.

I feel a moderator's role isn't to say things akin to "Don't let him get you, he's just a bully, or, She's being manipulative and i'm so glad everyone can see it now", even though the mod might have those opinions. His/her role is to say, "Things are getting heated, time to shift the discussion on this thread back to the topic." Never taking sides on that forum, but warning, then banning users who are violating the forum guidelines. I would be an unhappy moderator--lots of people are meant to be members, not mods. Those who sign up as mods need to serve their function as moderators, even if it means sometimes being put in a position to defend someone they dislike, and resisting the impulse to get in little digs at that person.

I'm incredibly sad to see the people who have left go. Ami, please know that when I was having a very rough time, you and Faith (and so many others in this site) both stepped forward to offer me help and compassion. When people lash out on sites like these, they're often coming from a tough spot in their own lives. We can't all be expected never to lash out--that's what mods are for! Not to put us down when we lash out OR to say, " you were being provoked by that insidious bully, I see why you're so upset, poor thing," but to say: "your post about wishing another knowflake would fall into a well and die/post observing that another user is not part of the master race so you can't relate to them genetically/random post that is indecipherable and not in a language I recognize is not about our topic, Astrology 2.0. Please return to discussing the topic, and review our forum guidelines."

Then again, that other site also used to shut down threads that could potentially be inflammatory (topics that were politically charged, etc),,,,I've often liked that Lindaland doesn't do that, that everyone can just let rip. It can be fascinating. But when it gets upsetting enough that some beloved people leave, it needs a change.

It's not so much about adding,or even replacing moderators--it's about mods agreeing to a more neutral role in the threads that they moderate, even if it means giving up some chances to weigh in.

posted February 08, 2017 10:35 PM            

Anybody is welcome to post here what they like, I will simply try to address things as they appear to me from the current circumstances.

I need to state that I was not following all the drama on the other threads... I just gleaned enough to know it had occurred. I've been really very sick and not online a lot until now.

What little I read gave me cause to write what I have written, with the hope that those parties who are still capable of self reflection and who are still visiting the boards even just to read can come to a peaceful place of opening and forgiveness and understanding and healing.

I know that asking people not to bear grudges for things like death threats and misogyny and racism is a LOT to ask. I know that wilful blindness can be very destructive. I'm just trying to see things from a deep and broad perspective which can perhaps help dissolve those issues (the racism, misogyny, misandry, and hatred in general). I believe that healing on an interpersonal level can help us heal these larger societal ills if anything can. We must view one another as humans with feelings first and foremost.

it's that strange paradox, how do you tolerate intolerance?

Honestly I'm trying so hard to be fair that I may be erring too far on the "side" with which I am inclined to disagree most often...

I too have felt the risk of merely continuing to post here and being seen as having taken sides. I have not had the energy to engage or read all the stuff because I'm extremely sensitive right now and my every thought affects my body in terms of pain or healing...

I am trying to be moderate. I'm trying to be friends with everybody. My libra Venus in the 12th...

I feel I didn't give teasel enough understanding and appreciation here and I'm sorry for that.

I do understand the hypocrisy which is being shown across the board, which is self evident. I myself can certainly be guilty of it too... I am simply trying to really truly see things from the perspective of each party and when I do that I can really understand each approach and perspective.

For instance, a thread which is entitled "Misandry" is going to be heated if it gets into even the suggestion that hating men because they are men is OK.

It isn't. It is actually very hard to exist in a male body under patriarchy--but for very different reasons.. you aren't allowed to have emotions. You aren't given rein to express your pain your fear and vulnerability... you can't wear many colours... you are groomed to be a monster. You are put in the role of rapist and predator by media and if you carry out your expected role you might feel hollow and hate yourself inside.

I certainly understand why many were quite livid that the fact that the gross misogyny in the world these days was not being acknowledged even as a fact. That's ludicrous, certainly.

But before things exploded (again I just skimmed the thread, I read it before it went totally ape and then just read a few words on a few pages after that, so forgive me for not being totally well informed)... before things exploded, it was "just" a thread about misandry.. and that is a very very sensitive topic. When very sensitive topics are broached which are very very likely to trigger people's demons and shadows and unresolved trauma we have to be so careful.

I know that the age of walking on eggshells around insensitive male identifying people is coming to an end BUT I have seen time and again that the answer is not to make fun of their rage and pain and confusion... the answer is to nurture their softness and understanding.

I hope this doesn't strike you all as taking sides or as condemnation. I'm not even referencing your actions there with the making fun of thing although I know from what I read it could be taken as such--I'm referencing memes and posts I've witnessed on my social media which make fun of male fragility without acknowledging the actual feeling person inside of the gender construct they've been forced into their whole life.

We live in a cruel patriarchy and we all participate in different ways to put one another down because those who are profiting off our hatred have intentionally pitted us against one another through complex social engineering which was reinforced by religion etc etc I could go on...

It is not nice for people to hate you because of your gender, full stop. It is however a condition we live with in our society, and it is a reality.

the original poster stated that she could not even encounter a man in a casual setting without being repulsed.

That kind of sexism being blatantly stated and experienced is actually very important because it draws us out and causes us to look at ourselves and our society.

Nobody should be especially surprised that, having read that, a member of the forum got into a deranged mental state.

To be viewed as violent and hateful because of your gender is a terrible thing.