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fatatabata
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posted February 17, 2017 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone. First off, just wanted to say that I adore you all and I'm smitten whenever I read your comments and insights here. How many years should I spend here reading your words before feeling that I too am getting a bit of astrological knowledge? No idea, we'll see...

Back to my question, I've recently met a person, spent few hours talking with him about ourselves. He opened up way more than I did, as I'm not ready to completely open to a person I don't know well, quite recently. I did that in the past, the timing was not good, and I decided I need to check the person before displaying my vulnerable side. My tactic (mainly unconscious, I'm sure) has been to let this man talk about himself, asking many open questions, getting him to talk about his upbringing and family, goals and fears, taking the time to feel his energy before trusting him.

That said, I talked astrology with him, almost as a joke (I don't want to get too serious about Astrology, if people is not really open into believing Astrology). You know, like "Oh you're a Libra? That's nice..." So I finally got his natal chart. And he asked me to please investigate further on him...

Not sure this was a good idea, though. Astrology gives people such a power of getting to know vulnerable places of other people's heart, long before a real bond is established! So he's basically giving away power, the power of getting rid of his mask (strong man, amazing career) and getting to know his inner child. I'm almost scared of how much vulnerable I've seen him trought his chart...

Then, just out of curiosity (I still know little about Composite) I've created our Composite.
Here's the result.
I think this is the oddest I've seen so far (Checked all the Composite with people I know, nothing is even close to this one).

What you think about it? Please, 100% truth.

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posted February 18, 2017 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ahahah Randall
It's just a BUMP, but at first sight I was afraid THAT was your interpretation of my Composite! ahahah

I'm reading few interpretations about that Moon in 12th the House and I feel that there we're getting into the realm of psychology.... hmmm

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posted February 18, 2017 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hm, is that a yod with Neptune (7H) sextile Pluto/Sun (6H) and Moon (12H) at the apex?

I wish I could interpret this for you. What I can say is that I have read that the energy produced by the planets in sextile must release through the apex planet (Moon). That would be an emotional release/expression then with Moon.
That might be difficult with the Moon in 12th house of dissolution. Then again, it may be a spiritual break-through, but one that takes some work to define, or that you may never be able to define.

A massive 6th house and ruler of the 6th in the 6th, would have the relationship acutely concerned with 6th house matters, it may mean physically working together on something for the duration of the relationship.

Venus conjunct Vertex, a sense of fatedness when together.

Has there been any discussion of a joint project at all?

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posted February 18, 2017 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Delightful, Randall!

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Originally posted by Randall:

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posted February 18, 2017 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Voix de la Mer (this is so French and I'm writing from Paris)

quote:
Hm, is that a yod with Neptune (7H) sextile Pluto/Sun (6H) and Moon (12H) at the apex?

Actually, Moon is Quicunx-Inconjunct Nept and Pluto (0 degr) and Sun (2 degr)

quote:
What I can say is that I have read that the energy produced by the planets in sextile must release through the apex planet (Moon). That would be an emotional release/expression then with Moon.
That might be difficult with the Moon in 12th house of dissolution. Then again, it may be a spiritual break-through, but one that takes some work to define, or that you may never be able to define.

What if the release of the Quicunx tension is throught it sextiles Neptune w/ Sun Mercury and Pluto?

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A massive 6th house and ruler of the 6th in the 6th, would have the relationship acutely concerned with 6th house matters, it may mean physically working together on something for the duration of the relationship.

We have both a natal stellium in the 6th House, with Virgo, Libra and Scorpio concerned! And his IC falls in my Ic conj my Moon. I start feeling that this has more to do with analysing wounds from our family/mother relationship?! Am I being too dramatic here?[/QUOTE]

Venus conjunct Vertex, a sense of fatedness when together.

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Has there been any discussion of a joint project at all?

Oh non, we've met only once, stayed in touch, planning to meet again in a couple of weeks...

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posted February 18, 2017 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
72.5%(7.2 of an ideal 10) overall composite relationship power potential. Love that Taurus ASC, stable and comfortable. 4H Cancer Part of Fortune means that in private, domestic harmony is possible.

As a couple you tend to take on the rest of the world; challenge would be to maintain a level head--and both be willing to make the effort to resolve the emotional and psychological aspects. 6H Libra Jupiter peacemaker provides help with that.

Yes, it's a Yod with 12H Aries Moon focus, and 6H Virgo Sun/Pluto sextile 7H Scorpio Neptune. I agree with Voix about working together.

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Originally posted by fatatabata:

I've recently met a person, spent few hours talking with him about ourselves. He opened up way more than I did, as I'm not ready to completely open to a person I don't know well, quite recently. I did that in the past, the timing was not good, and I decided I need to check the person before displaying my vulnerable side. My tactic (mainly unconscious, I'm sure) has been to let this man talk about himself, asking many open questions, getting him to talk about his upbringing and family, goals and fears, taking the time to feel his energy before trusting him.

That said, I talked astrology with him, almost as a joke (I don't want to get too serious about Astrology, if people is not really open into believing Astrology). You know, like "Oh you're a Libra? That's nice..." So I finally got his natal chart. And he asked me to please investigate further on him...

Not sure this was a good idea, though. Astrology gives people such a power of getting to know vulnerable places of other people's heart, long before a real bond is established! So he's basically giving away power, the power of getting rid of his mask (strong man, amazing career) and getting to know his inner child. I'm almost scared of how much vulnerable I've seen him through his chart...

Then, just out of curiosity (I still know little about Composite) I've created our Composite.
Here's the result.
I think this is the oddest I've seen so far (Checked all the Composite with people I know, nothing is even close to this one).

What you think about it? Please, 100% truth.


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posted February 18, 2017 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi fatatabata
I don't know this is especially odd, all charts are singular, but there is an interesting juxtaposition in this chart.

on one hand ,the mercury/pluto midpoint is conjunct the sun. this tends to show little or repressed communication between the two of you.
but on the other side the sun/Uranus midpoint is conjunct to mercury which could show the exact opposite...extreme openness between you with a heavy psychic/telepathic communicative ability

so the char shows extreme openness and extreme reticence.

then throw in the mercury/Venus midpoint conjunct to Uranus and you have a very attractive ,affectionate and joyous feeling about each other.

venus is on the vertex so there is an immediate affection betweeen you but if this affection can translate into a relationship remains to be scene as vertex aspects to do not always develop into what they promise.

the juno/ceres/south node conjunction shows an interest in a formalized relationship. And the moon/Jupiter opposition could enhance this feeling.
with the juno/Jupiter midpoint opposed to he part of fortune,one could hazard a guess it might be a excellent relationship.

the moon/Saturn midpoint conjunct the ascendant can show a sense of devotion for each other and mars on the descendant could accentuate these feeling or hesitate...but it could be worked out if the spontaneous affection is strong enough.

the mars/Venus midpoint is conjunct to jupiter and opposed to the moon so it does seems you are inclined to try to consummate the relationship .

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posted February 19, 2017 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to everyone so far!
I'm going to give you a one-to-one reply in few moments, thank you "de mon coeur"!

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posted February 21, 2017 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 21, 2017 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 06, 2017 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
UPDATE for Todd and Camdoc !

This man, to whom I had sent a couple of nice messages since we met (he replied immediately and in a cheerful way), as we were supposed to meet this week, has BLOCKED me on whatsapp right now. With no farewell or any message explaining me the reasons behind his decision.

From our Composite (see above) could you see this happening?!

That 12H Moon?!?

ps. I'm kind of shocked...

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posted March 06, 2017 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe the Moon/Sun-Mercury/Neptune Yod? Communication challenges.

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Originally posted by fatatabata:
UPDATE for Todd and Comdoc !

This man, to whom I had sent a couple of nice messages since we met (he replied immediately and in a cheerful way), as we were supposed to meet this week, has BLOCKED me on whatsapp right now. With no farewell or any message explaining me the reasons behind his decision.

From our Composite (see above) could you see this happening?!

That 12H Moon?!?

ps. I'm kind of shocked...


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posted March 06, 2017 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm...I had the strong feeling that my Moon 4H Cancer right on his IC (synastry) was fulfilling/healing and yet challenging (with an Opposition) his Mars 10H Capri conj MC. Like if I had what he was missing and he was more scared of...EMOTIONS
I don' know if I made myself clear
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Originally posted by comdoc:
Maybe the Moon/Sun-Mercury/Neptune Yod? Communication challenges.


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posted March 06, 2017 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 06, 2017 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
UPDATE 2: I've sent him a SMS (not a whatsapp message, since it doesn't work) to say aurevoir, and adding that "maybe there are things going on on his side and maybe saying aurevoir to a person met only once was more complicated than blocking a number, but maybe I'm wrong. Have a nice day anyway, signature"

And he replied! Saying that his kid played with his phone and blocked my number!

Hmmmmmmm....................communication challenges?

His kid is like 10, not 2 years old....

So, I had the right to a further explanation. This man sent me a new sms, explaining that his 10 yrs old son saw my name on his phone, got angry (jealous) and blocked it.

I do trust his words, but don't know what to think right now....communication challenges?!

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posted March 09, 2017 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
UPDATE 3: it's like writing a romantic novel! Without the romance
I've sent him a message trying to make things clearer: "hei, we've met, had interesting conversations, complex souls exchange, found each other quite attractive, decided to keep in touch with no plans no expectations no rules and so here we are. Want to meet again, as you told me when we parted? Great. Don't? OK. This is how I live my life: full of truth and meaningful things. Of course I'm ready to hear how you decided to live your life..."

And so he got back with a reply:
He said that - because of his kid living in Paris (he has 3 more kids living abroad, from a previous mariage! Things are not easy! Damn) - he doesn't feel ready to concile romance and fatherly obligations here in France.

I'm ok with that, but again, WHERE could we see all this from the composite?

Using my personal case just like an exercice to practice on Composite, could you see a link between what is happening and the Composite shown above?

Thanks

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posted March 20, 2017 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, all in all, we've no more in touch since this morning.
I wrote goodbye first, but actually he's the one who told me "I don't see myself having a relationship in Paris, when every time I'm there my heart tells me to go see my son".

It's funny because we've only met ONCE and the "relationship" or "romance" was not even on the table! And he was the one who suggested to meet again, keep i touch blabla
But no matter what happened on his side (met another woman? suddently realised he couldn't cope with son + relationship? whatever reason...) this Composite turned out not to be a Happy One.

What do you think?

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posted March 21, 2017 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Composite Mars on the Descendant indicates an assertive and proactive stance towards action in regards to the 7th house which rules partnership. Should this feeling be reacted to with denial we can venture a guess that this conjunction is not well received into one or the other's chart.

Check to see if that point forms any significant aspects within the synastry chart. Check for the sign ruler of Pluto, or perhaps its traditional ruler Mars, and see its reception in synastry as well. Sometimes we can see the story progression not in the "bad" aspects but in ones that would be good if it were not rejected by a contrarian influence in one of the individual's natal chart.

I hope everything in this situation resolves itself for you.

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posted March 22, 2017 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by wal2:
Composite Mars on the Descendant indicates an assertive and proactive stance towards action in regards to the 7th house which rules partnership. Should this feeling be reacted to with denial we can venture a guess that this conjunction is not well received into one or the other's chart.

Check to see if that point forms any significant aspects within the synastry chart. Check for the sign ruler of Pluto, or perhaps its traditional ruler Mars, and see its reception in synastry as well. Sometimes we can see the story progression not in the "bad" aspects but in ones that would be good if it were not rejected by a contrarian influence in one of the individual's natal chart.

I hope everything in this situation resolves itself for you.



Thank you wal2! I still need to FULLY understand what you said, and then check on his and my natal!
As for me, I'm good thank you. We only met once and had very intense conversations about relationships, family and failures, but I've never had the chance to open my heart with him, so I don't feel much pain. But I felt a strong push to get to know him better, and as if I already knew him deeply...
I have the feeling that he LONGED to be fully known, and at the same time that was the thing that scared the hell out of him: being SEEN within, being FELT bby someone...

I'll get back with more info, if I manage to understand your words...

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posted March 22, 2017 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@fatatabata

Here's a more detailed explanation. Each sign has a planetary ruler and it is said that when you have a planet in a certain sign, that sign's ruler exerts a considerable influence over that sign. Let's start with an example in regards to a simple natal chart delineation.

For example, Cancer's ruler is the Moon. If I have Sun in Cancer, we know that what the Moon represents, i.e emotional dependence and nurturing, etc, is going to be a prominent theme of my personality.

Now, we could stop there. But, we can also extend this theory by saying, Hey, well I actually have a Moon in my natal chart and since my Sun is ruled by the Moon, this could be an important planet to consider! So let's say we look to my natal chart and see my Moon in Aries. Now, even though I am still a Cancer Sun who carries the traditional archetype of that sign, we can see that the placement of the Moon in Aries offers a rather more contrasting archetype as Aries is a fiery sign of action. Now, we may know several Moon in Aries with different Suns who chase rainbows and are quick to forget what they were just so deeply passionate about 5 minutes ago. But since I am a Moon-ruled Sun in Cancer, this is likely to be a more visible theme in my personality, because my Sun actually defers to the Moon in my chart. So, Cancer is ruled by the Moon yes, but the qualities of the Moon in the chart actually reflect HOW the Moon rules whatever planet comes into its sign.

The traditional term for sign ruler is Lord, and I really like the mental imagery of that. Like Lords of the past and present, each sign ruler has an actual distinct personality as dictated by that planet's reception in the same chart.

Now, let's go to the composite chart and apply this concept. We can see that we have Mars in the sign of Scorpio. Scorpio is ruled by Pluto in contemporary astrology, but as we know, our knowledge of astrology well predates our knowledge of the existence of Pluto. Before Pluto was discovered, the sign ruler of Scorpio was Mars. Since we're looking at the planet Mars, and it's in a sign which is co-ruled by Mars, what does that mean? When a planet is placed in the sign that it rules, that is called domicile. Mars is comfortable in the sign of Scorpio and feels uninhibited to express itself. It is its own Lord.

Now, there are two schools of thought here in regards to Mars. In contemporary astrology, the inner planets are generally interpreted as all mostly positive bearers of energy, and the outer planets as the bearers of negative energy. In traditional astrology, Mars and Saturn, one inner and one outer planet each, are malefics. Malefics are planets that bring bad energy and bad luck to the planets they contact. Now, to understand this line of thinking, we need to think about what Mars represents. When Mars makes contact to another point on the chart, an angle or a celestial body, it brings impetus and aggression to that point. Mars shouts with his sword to whatever it contacts "Hey, stop sitting there and DO SOMETHING NOW" and Mars is indiscriminate about who it is talking to, whether it is the father Saturn or the delicate Moon. We can imagine that we don't want this energy to predominate a relationship chart. We should think of Mars as hot pepper. A little sprinkle can bring in some extra flavor, but a heaping spoonful is just painful.

So, where is Mars' most immediate contact here? The Descendant is conjunct to Mars. The Descendant is the cusp of the 7th house which is the house of partnership. Mars on the Descendant brings aggression to the 7th house. This brings 7th house affairs to the front of the queue and Mars is telling the Descendant that the time to act is now.

This conjunction opposes Saturn who is near to the Descendant. In contrast to Mars, Saturn tells whatever planet it contacts "You need to stop what you're doing and really think about this." Saturn on the Ascendant means that it opposes the 7th house cusp. While this chart contains an aspect that indicates a great deal of impetus to START a relationship, it also contains a strong argument to SUPPRESS the relationship. This is a seesaw of two desires that are in direct conflict of one another.

It is important to note at this time that we are in the composite chart. The composite chart is the chart of an immaterial third entity that exists between two people. Composite Mars is bringing immediacy and aggression to the generation of partnership between two people, while Saturn is urging to be conservative and consider the downsides.

Who is the winner of this debate?

We can get that answer by looking to see the natal charts of the individuals who created this composite chart. The story progression of this relationship is rich with themes of Saturn who holds us solemnly to our obligations and deep insecurities. Saturn in the composite 1st house tells me that Saturn's representation in the natal chart is likely to be put to action in the relationship. After all, the 1st house corresponds to Aries who is again ruled by do-it-now Mars.

But, it was when you said that he was already rejecting the impetus (Mars) for partnership (DSC) when you were not perceiving partnership as a viable option yet, that tipped me off to look at Mars conjunct the DSC. For some reason, he has perceived the energy of this aspect in a different way than you. It may or may not be of interest to you now to see exactly why or where since what's done is done, but this situation is certainly an example of how a composite chart's energies are expressly brought to life when they are channeled through each individual's natal chart.

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posted March 23, 2017 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatatabata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@wal2: wow !!!
Thank you for this impressive, detailed and generous explaination! I learnt a lot from this. Wow. Are you a professional astrologer?
Now, back to my case, i'm still interested in learning more about what happened. So, here's few more details:
- I've noticed HIS Saturn 6 Taurus falls EXACTLY on the Composite AC opposite Composite Mars! And guess what, his natal Saturn square his Aqua Moon. So I guess that Composite Mars is also squaring his Moon...
As per your smart guess "that Saturn's representation in the natal chart is likely to be put to action in the relationship"
- Composite Mars is loosely conj my Jupiter
I have the feeling that Composite Mars has triggered a double reaction in him: FEAR of not being able to hold on obligations (he said that clearly! "I need to take care of my kids, where I haven't even asked for his time) and as well willing to start something (he was the one who insisted to meet, who asked to keep in touch after the date, who suggested to talk astrology and natal chart)
I was quiet and still, and yet really willing to go further with that acquaintance and the exploration of his natal chart (yep, I admit this), so I pushed toward that path. And then he cooled down and withdrew completely.

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posted March 25, 2017 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not a professional astrologer, no. Just a lifelong student. But thanks for the compliment!

"- I've noticed HIS Saturn 6 Taurus falls EXACTLY on the Composite AC opposite Composite Mars! And guess what, his natal Saturn square his Aqua Moon. So I guess that Composite Mars is also squaring his Moon..."

You're right on the money here! The "good or bad" measurement of a composite chart is always based on how each individual receives it in aspect to their own natal chart.

Fear and hesitation is Saturn ruled, and with Composite Mars squaring his Moon we can see a disconnect between his true feelings and what is being put forward into action by this relationship.

I'm sorry it did not work out the way you had been expecting. I hope for the best next time

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