posted February 18, 2017 09:12 PM            

One aspect that seems to overwhelm people in the manner of a tidal wave is Nessus and Dejanira.When one sees an obsessive relationships, such that people cannot keep their hands off each other, it may well be Nessus/Deja. The pure power of this relationship exceeds any aspect in synastry. If any aspect will make a normally sane person go nuts, it would be this one.

If you think about people who threw away everything to be with a person, I bet it was a Nessus/Deja relationship. To describe it with a picture, these relationships are a conflagration. Do you know the Pointer Sisters song”Fire”? That would be one song for the Nessus/Deja relationship. There are many others such as The Sugarbabes song, “Lost in You”.

At any rate, if the Nessus/Deja bug bites you, you best hold onto your hat. Listen to your friends who will be able to see what you can’t. It is obvious to those around you that you are not crazy in love but just plain crazy.

These relationships, which start with fireworks, seem to end with a thud. When they end, the love often turn to revenge. When you see the woman smash the man’s car windows with a golf club( which I have seen), it is most likely Nessus/Deja. There seems to be one of these relationships that is one to a lifetime. Perhaps, the people learn. Perhaps, one to a lifetime is all one gets. I don’t know about that but I do know that the traits of this relationship can be ascertained once one has experienced it or seen it enough in others. To sum it up, I would say that it is close to impossible for a person to resist a Nessus/Deja relationship.

If we leave Asteroids for a moment and go to planets, there is nothing like Moon/Pluto. It is second to Nessus/Deja. Moon/Pluto does not have the level of abuse of the Nessus/Deja relationship. I think Nessus/Deja relationships are unique in that they almost exactly mirror past childhood abuse. That is why they are so intense. That is why they are so magical, too. That may be why they don’t work. One cannot go back and make right that which was wrong. That one sentence sums up the sturm und drang of the Nessus/Dejanira relationship.

That is why they are so intense. That is why they are so magical, too. That may be why they don’t work. One cannot go back and make right that which was wrong. That one sentence sums up the sturm und drang of the Nessus/deja relationship.

On to Moon/Pluto, which is equally magical in it’s own way. These do not seem to last either, but I cannot make a doctrine of that because I have not seen enough. Moon/Pluto has the magic of the most primal of loves, the love of a mother. The mother’s love is combined with sexual and romantic love. There is probably nothing as intimate as this, nothing as breathtaking. This relationship does seem to be one to a lifetime. If one does not understand a romance novel, such as Wuthering Heights, one has not had a Moon/Pluto relationship. If one has had one, one will never forget the person.

Third in line for primal love would be Pluto/Venus. This is a tamer love than Moon/Pluto but not tame, by any means.

There are other aspects for pure attraction such as Uranus. If there are no soul aspects, however, the relationship probably will not last. Uranus heats up what it touches but it may cool it down, just as fast. Uranus is a wild card like electricity, which it rules. If Cupid bites you such that you want to be with the person day and night. Then, one day, it is all over, check out Uranus.You will likely see that it was prominent.

Planets are the main structure of the relationship and asteroids are second. This can reverse when there are very strong asteroids and they are exact. Nessus and Deja would be a perfect example of that. However, generally speaking the planets are the core of any relationship. If the planets are the soup, the asteroids are the spices.

Certain asteroids are pure hot pepper. One would be Lilith. Lilith is raw sexuality. If one person’s Lilith touches another person’s ASC, Sun or Moon, there will be fireworks in the manner of Uranus. Lilith does not connote staying power either, in the manner of Uranus.

Apollo makes for worship. The planet person will worship the Apollo. One cannot help whom one looks at as a Greek god. The worship may not last. We would need to see if there is true soul in the chart. True soul would be Moon trine Moon, for example.

I have left a lot unsaid as it seems I do in everything I write. There is so much to say but I will stop here for this article and await your Comments, as always.

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posted February 19, 2017 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by LexusVirgo:
Is it asteroid Lilith you are using Amy?

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I use the asteroid, Lexy. Yes.

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posted February 19, 2017 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
are you talking about an aspect between Nessus and Dejanira? Or aspects to planets involving these two asteroids?
Because in the synastry with my luv, my Dejanira squares his Nessus. It is obsessive!

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Well, both, Orange. Nessus and Deja aspecting each other or Nessus aspecting any personal part of the chart or the other does the same thing, basically---hot, hot, hot and obsession lol xxxx

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posted February 19, 2017 10:23 AM            

I do agree that based on the Nessus myth, obsession definitely plays a part. The story is immensely similar to that of Pluto. Both went to great lengths to gratify their own needs despite the damage it may have done.

However, I don't think we can say that the Nessus/Dejanira relationship mimics past childhood abuse though, as there are many who have not experienced childhood abuse who may attract someone who treats them a la Nessus/Pluto.

posted February 19, 2017 10:29 AM            

I think we all were abused in some way, just due to growing up in a fallen world/sick society. Everyone has some level of abuse but there is a huge spectrum.

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posted February 19, 2017 11:53 AM            

I do feel this world is not as nurturing as is could be, however, if everything was given by the world, what point would there be to grow?

I think abuse is a strong word, it implies intent on the part of the abuser. I think many children will not get what they need, even though their caregivers did not intent to deprive them - I would not be able to call this abuse, unless it came under severe neglect.

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posted February 19, 2017 01:49 PM            

I feel the jury is still out on whether these relationships will always manifest as abuse.
The potential may well be there, but I think other aspects in the synastry would need to pull the trigger, so to speak.

I also think other aspects between planets in the synastry will hold more weight, and can be protective factors against abuse manifesting - is there anything that Venus-Jupiter can't laugh at??

But yeah, Nessus/Dejanira in an already stressed or conflictual synastry should be approached carefully, I think.

posted February 19, 2017 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Well, it's definitely worth keeping an eye on it then!

I feel the jury is still out on whether these relationships will always manifest as abuse.
The potential may well be there, but I think other aspects in the synastry would need to pull the trigger, so to speak.

I also think other aspects between planets in the synastry will hold more weight, and can be protective factors against abuse manifesting - is there anything that Venus-Jupiter can't laugh at??

But yeah, Nessus/Dejanira in an already stressed or conflictual synastry should be approached carefully, I think.

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posted February 20, 2017 10:21 AM            

The relationship I've had the hardest time moving on from has Sun/Pluto and Venus/Pluto squared in synastry, where I am the Pluto. The composite with this man has an 8H pisces Moon trine 4H Libra Pluto. I noticed him first. I'm sure of it. It is the sweetest, deepest, most unconditional love I have felt with anyone. No matter the time or distance the feelings are just as raw and powerful as they were in the beginning. And that's not just my assessment. If you ask me, it doesn't lessen with time. If Moon/Pluto is allowed to develop and continue, the bond it creates is simply unbreakable.

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posted February 20, 2017 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
That sounds like Ceres. See where it is, LF

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Hmm, in synastry it doesnt appear to be doing too much. Mine is conjunct his lust and NN in Virgo while his is conjunct my MC and trine my Uranus/Mars conjunction. Although, that trine is pretty wide, 3-4 degrees.

In the composite though...

Ceres is at 27 Gemini. It completes a grand trine with Moon/Pluto and also completes a kite with Moon/Pluto/Neptune with Neptune at the apex. Neptune rules our comp Moon.

Over all, she aspects Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and Pluto in the composite.

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posted February 20, 2017 12:24 PM            

His Ceres/my MC - after checking the degrees it appears to be a little too wide at 4 degrees.

posted February 21, 2017 07:27 AM            

How would a wide-ish double whammy play out in a synastry chart? [2deg one way, 3 deg the other]

Is this always bad news? Or does it depend on the strength of the placements individually?

The rest of the chart shows a lot of affection, sexual attraction, mutual support, possibly even healing - and also has karmic indicators.