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twinky
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posted March 15, 2017 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello everyone!
I've been reading a lot in this forum for years although I don't post.
So, I want to ask your opinion about this composite.
Do you see any future in this relationship? Like a loving steady relationship, marriage, children, living together etc, or is it doomed to fail?
I will post more detail later, for now I would like to know the first impressions you have of this composite.
Thank you!

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wal2
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posted March 15, 2017 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's my take on composite charts. Every one has their own interpretive methods.

I generally use synastry to measure the compatibility (i.e, will it work out based on compatibility) between two people. I use the composite to look for reinforced themes from both the synastry and natal charts. While aspects within the composite can shoelace-tie some recurring themes together that maybe weren't evident before the relationship, the composite has the most context for me when related back to the two individual's natal charts. I could give you a freestyle interpretation based on a glance at just the composite, but that's akin to showing me 25% of a movie and then asking me to write a review.

Unaspected planets in composite are not good IF they do not have reinforcements in natal. I would look to natal charts to check for reinforcements. In the composite of long term marriages, usually there are a couple of planets in the composite that are conjunct to one of the individual's planets in the natal chart, to the degree. For example, the Reagans (yes the former president) have a lone ranger Sun in Composite that forms no major aspect to the inner planets. But, when I look back to natal, I can see that this lone Sun in Composite is conjunct to the degree to Ronnie's Taurus and square Nancy's moon in Leo, all at 0 degrees. Now this Composite Sun has a little more personality, bringing his Saturn side her moon together at the forefront of the relationship's identity. That makes perfect sense. He was a staunchly conservative national leader (Saturn) and she his adoring wife (Moon), and the rumored reversal of roles behind closed curtains also makes sense when you consider these planets are square in their synastry.

When I look at this Composite wheel, the lonely North Node/ASC in Leo are calling to me. Check the natals for any possible aspects to these composite points. I also would want to know how Composite Saturn and Jupiter are doing compared against the natal charts since they are not being strongly aspected here. Composite Venus on the Midheaven should add some elements of tradition, commitment, work ethic to the relationship. If one of you is a Capricorn or has a strong 10th house then that would be considered a huge reinforcement here. As far as the aspected planets go, I'd like to see the natals to see what energies are being linked via composite. For example, Composite Sun square moon, how dignified is the Sun or moon in each individual's natal? Sun square moon is a square, but it may be bringing elements of two charts together that actually benefit from the aspect, depending on the reception of those planets in the natal charts.

I would also check for house compatibilities with the natals as well as sign rulers. For example, let's say I'm a Libra, that would make my sign ruler Venus. I would check for the strength of Venus in the composite chart, check its composite sign, and see if the composite Venus makes any aspects back to my partner's natal chart. Hope that helps

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twinky
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posted March 15, 2017 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by wal2:

When I look at this Composite wheel, the lonely North Node/ASC in Leo are calling to me. Check the natals for any possible aspects to these composite points. I also would want to know how Composite Saturn and Jupiter are doing compared against the natal charts since they are not being strongly aspected here. Composite Venus on the Midheaven should add some elements of tradition, commitment, work ethic to the relationship. If one of you is a Capricorn or has a strong 10th house then that would be considered a huge reinforcement here. As far as the aspected planets go, I'd like to see the natals to see what energies are being linked via composite. For example, Composite Sun square moon, how dignified is the Sun or moon in each individual's natal? Sun square moon is a square, but it may be bringing elements of two charts together that actually benefit from the aspect, depending on the reception of those planets in the natal charts.

Thank you for your feedback, wal2.
I am aware of some compatibility techniques. I think the composite to natals comparison is very telling.
But I am very subjective about this relationship and I can't see clearly anymore, that is why I would like a second opinion.

In the composite, N.Node/Asc conjunction is sextiled by saturn, trined by Juno. But Comp. Asc/N.Node squares person's A Mars and is opposite person's B Venus, creating a grand square.
Composite Saturn might look a little idle, but there is so much Saturn in the synastry that makes up for it.

Here is the synastry:
(I'm on the inside)

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posted March 15, 2017 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
40% overall synastry potential. Substantially below average. Run the other way.

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twinky
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posted March 15, 2017 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
composite to natals:

compo. Sun to person A
conj. IC/Uranus (desc. ruler)
opp. Moon/chiron
square N.Node/asc
trine Venus
sextile jupiter/juno

In this chart the Moon/Uranus opposition is very critical. The opposition squares the asc/desc axis and the Nodes. I remember some posts here about skipped steps, when a planet squares the nodes. So the composite Sun shows the way to resolve the nodes' skipped step.

compo. Sun to person B
widely conj. scorpio Moon and Jupiter. It is in the midpoint of jupiter/moon
square Mercury
trine N.Node/asc
opposite Chiron/pof

One of the most intense aspects in this natal, is Saturn (7th house ruler) seated in 4th house, squaring the ascendant and N.Node. Saturn square the Ascendant is not easy. Composite Sun in Scorpio, trining the Ascendant is bringing acceptance and healing to this chart. Healing is also a theme here, with Mercury in an exact square with Chiron. Composite Sun forms a grand square with natal Mercury/Chiron.

There is also a skipped step here, with Saturn square N.Node.
Composite Mars/pluto conj. natal Saturn square the nodes.

these are just some of the aspects between natals and composite. There are so many I don't know where to start from!

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posted March 15, 2017 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by comdoc:
40% overall synastry potential. Substantially below average. Run the other way.

Wow!

I was expecting a better score.

But too late, when I had the chance to run I was too mesmerised by the venus conj. ascendant and N.Node, and the Mars square Venus intensity so..

Since I'm still here after some years of wondering what went wrong with this synastry, could you please elaborate a little more?

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wal2
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posted March 15, 2017 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@twinky

edited to fix some mistakes. It's a bit late for me and seems I should tuck in...

Okay, before I give some more of my thoughts, I think it's important to distinguish that a synastry or composite chart cannot determine if a relationship will last or what the outcome of a relationship will be. Transits and progressions dictate the future of our lives. The synastry chart is JUST the compatibility between two people. We can make some conjecture as to what might happen when we look at a synastry chart based on a person's tendencies but synastry cannot predict the outcome of events. E.g, he has a short temper so this could be an issue in the relationship VERSUS he has a short temper so he will domestically abuse his spouse. Synastry and Composite charts cannot tell the latter, only make conjecture as the former.

In the same way, the composite chart can only describe the nature of the relationship. The relationship which does not exist without the existence of the two people behind it. That is why the Composite is merely an extension of the natal chart.

Now, I just want to make sure at this point that you're not asking a question that a Composite chart can't answer. If you want to know about how a relationship or two individuals in a relationship will progress through time, you need to compare this information to transits and natal progressions.

Since you specifically asked for help with the composite chart, I'll skip the general notes on synastry compatibility. Composite moon is trine to Red's natal Saturn to the degree. Composite Mars is square your Venus to the degree. Mars is fire energy and is consuming. So, that makes sense to me that you are so smitten by this person. This is something that the relationship brings forward for you, but in the case of a square it may feel as if there is tension between you and the relationship. Mars in Libra is in detriment, while Venus in Cancer is not. You will often be the one stoking the fires in this relationship and should you personally turn away from natal Venus influence at times, you may find the relationship to be exhausting. Mars contacts are stimulating but hot to the touch. Passion can quickly turn to anger and in this case provocation could come from the affection you express to the other. This aspect brings the relationship to conflict. You mentioned Mars square Venus as an attractor, and I can see from its dominant influence in composite that that is true.

In the case of Moon/Saturn, the Saturn who is making a trine the composite Moon is the same Saturn sitting in the 4th house. Like Venus and Mars whose signs they rule oppose each other on the wheel, as do Saturn and the Moon. So like contacts between Venus and Mars, contacts between Saturn and the Moon are dealing with the reconciliation of two opposing forces. This creates conflict, even though the aspect is trine. The trine may make it more acceptable for Red to accommodate this opposing position of Saturn within the frame of this relationship. By the way, I couldn't help but notice that Red is indeed a Capricorn. The Composite chart offers more benevolence towards Red both through the Moon/Saturn aspect and through the Venus/MC conjunction. Venus in the composite brings appreciation to areas represented by planets or angles it makes aspects to. In this case, conjunct Midheaven. I can also see it making a sextile to the moon and trine to Neptune, so you are likely to treasure the more emotional and fantastical elements to this relationship. You mentioned Saturn in natal 4th as well as a dominant theme of the synastry.

However, there a couple of issues here. I see that Mars is very prominent in this relationship through aspect and sign placement, even though the relationship is between two Earth suns. In contemporary astrology, Mars is thought to be some kind of sexy planet, but for most of astrology's existence it has been known to be a malefic. In a general measure of compatibility and relationship health you want to limit compounds involving Saturn or Mars to a healthy level able to be managed by two people. And to those compounds *in the composite (edited to amend this)* you want to be making contacts to benefics such as Venus and Jupiter, not having benefics in separate sets. As well, Saturn is squaring Venus in the synastry chart which is a virtual extinguisher of affection on the part of the Saturn person.

Seeing as the two malefics are dominating this relationship by aspects and composite reciprocity I am getting the feeling that this relationship has a certain degree of difficulty to it. In my experience, when you have a personal planet conjunct another's North Node, the NN person is called to the judge, if they are ready to shed certain comforts of their previous life and take a flying leap. This is something Red needs to ask themselves. NN connections are a calling.

Based on the composite and synastry, I would say there are some incompatibilities and sources of conflict in this chart. There are also some indicators of compatibility in this chart, enough to see why you entered into a relationship, as well as beneficial aspects to your Saturn that could feel like a sternness of course is beneficial for you when it comes to this person.

******If you want my truly honest opinion and you are ready to face the possibility of a yay OR nay, continue on*******

However, I feel like the karmic capacity of this relationship is limited. Squares to the nodes essentially indicate a disharmony with the nodal axis which represents our true calling. I look to the sign ruler in composite to bring the composite NN into the relationship with harmonious reception, which would be the Sun, and I see no reciprocity within the composite. This is how a relationship dominated by malefic compounds usually go for me: the individuals feel that things start out good, before the standard of treatment is lowered by one or the other, disappointing the other one initially. Because of Saturn's sternness of course, those lowered standards become the new "okay" expectations. Until they become disappointed again, and then the bar just keeps going to a new lower "okay" set of expectations. It continues to hurt when those standards are disappointed, but what you don't realize is even when they are "met" they are so much lower than what they started out as. This is what malefics do to people in a relationship. They bring people down.

You may feel like you are in a karmic relationship despite the presence of this energy. But, if you get to a point where you are hurting within the relationship, you need to ask what you've done to deserve that kind of hurt. Karma is the answer to our calling. If we're calling for good, and for love, then there should not be a predominance of pain and turmoil. Not all pain is healing. This may not ring true right away but it's something to think about later. I would pay extra close attention to your progressions and transits within the next year to see where this could be headed.

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posted March 15, 2017 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I can see why you thought there would be better compatibility .

the node is conjunct the ascendant. this aspect always shows there is a very strong psychic link between you. your rad each others thoughts answer question before the are asked etc. often these paranormal connection make one think that you may be soul mates. but surprisingly, this aspect often leads to dissension because one of the partners tries to control the others thoughts and ideas. this usually happ3ns when one of the partners is skeptical of psychic abilities etc.

eros is conjunct to psyche and these are square to venus at midheaven. this shows there is a very idealistic, romantic feeling of love between you. with eros/psyche conjunct ,the love can feel like a "first" love, childlike in that just be near each other elicits strong attraction.
coiupled with the node/ascendant conjunction and you really have a feeling that the relationship is destined to be.
the moon is square to the sun which brings it's own tension and with the midpoint of the sun/moon square conjunct tto lust, there is a very earthy ,sexual chemistry to go along with the idealistic and spiritual attraction of eros/psyche..... seem like a complete package ....
but there are unconscious aspects that show a much more carnal and selfish dynamic at play here.
mars is conjunct to pluto and even though the moon is trine to pluto and mars, nessus ius square to pluto and mars. these are very carnal and selfish aspects. these aspect are very unfavorable because they mark the relationship as based on carnal lust and selfishness even though there seem to be a intimate feeling of love. it is very rare that hard aspects to mars and pluto will ever turn into a committed and nurturing relationship.

so it seems to me that even thoug the attraction seems heaven sent... he is only using your sensitivity to these influence to gain access to your body.
this is make clearer by the aspect of the moon/Saturn midpoint conjunct to the vertex/Neptune conjunction. this pattern bode that though he may be giving off signals of devotion he really is not being truthful and is concealing his real feelings and intentions. if alcohol or drugs play a role in this relationship ,then you are in double danger of being lied to.

"all that glitters is not gold"

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posted March 16, 2017 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by wal2:

This is something that the relationship brings forward for you, but in the case of a square it may feel as if there is tension between you and the relationship. Mars in Libra is in detriment, while Venus in Cancer is not. You will often be the one stoking the fires in this relationship and should you personally turn away from natal Venus influence at times, you may find the relationship to be exhausting. Mars contacts are stimulating but hot to the touch. Passion can quickly turn to anger and in this case provocation could come from the affection you express to the other. This aspect brings the relationship to conflict. You mentioned Mars square Venus as an attractor, and I can see from its dominant influence in composite that that is true.

I relate to this a lot. But if we also compare to the synastry, I am the Scorpio Mars squaring his Aquarius venus. And composite Venus is also opposite my Scorpio Mars and his Aquarius Venus at 3-4 degrees. I guess this also bring something to the composite..

Your analysis is very thorough and I learn a lot from it. I think I need some time to reread this during the weekend in order to dig deeper.

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posted March 16, 2017 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
todd

You are very right about the psychic link. It is something we both noticed at the begining, but although I'm more open to paranormal, he was mostly saying "are you sure we didn't meet before".

In general you are spot on on many things. I also wonder myself at times, what is the meaning of all this. What is the meaning of having the psychic link, the romantic feeling of love, the physical attraction, the out of this world sex, if we cannot coexist and be happy.

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so it seems to me that even thoug the attraction seems heaven sent... he is only using your sensitivity to these influence to gain access to your body.
this is make clearer by the aspect of the moon/Saturn midpoint conjunct to the vertex/Neptune conjunction. this pattern bode that though he may be giving off signals of devotion he really is not being truthful and is concealing his real feelings and intentions. if alcohol or drugs play a role in this relationship ,then you are in double danger of being lied to.

I think you mean the moon/mars & pluto midpoint that is conjunct Neptune at 22. The moon/saturn midpoing is conjunct karma at 15,5 sagittarius.

Does it change anything?

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posted March 16, 2017 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@twinky Yes, this synastry and composite is filled with reinforcements between Mars and Venus. I mention the square between your Natal Venus and Composite Mars primarily because this is the aspect with the tightest orb out of all the Mars/Venus aspects as they are both at 22 degrees. The tighter the orb, the more predominantly emitted is the vibration from the aspect. Tight orbs actually cause a pinball machine like effect at times because of their tendency to predominate other aspects.

Aspects with a wider orb are quite valid for me when I'm looking at synastry, but I like to look at extremely tight orbs when I'm taking just a snapshot analysis of aspects between charts, because I've found in my experience reading charts that the aspects with the tightest orb tend to carry the energy of those planets predominantly in a relationship chart

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posted March 24, 2017 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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