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fireopal09
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posted March 24, 2017 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fireopal09     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://sasstrology.com/2017/03/how-to-make-squares-in-synastry-work.html

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posted March 25, 2017 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure about this article. This seems like "nothing-is-inherently-bad" astrology which is very popular among contemporary astrology students. The problem with this is that a bad aspect in synastry which is originally no one's fault in natural law, now has translated to the burden for reconciliation on the individuals, and thus the blame on the individuals when the differences cannot be overcome. This is the problem with self-oriented astrology delineation versus time-oriented delineation.

For example, one who loves animals and does humanitarian animal work as a hobby like running a non-profit foundation connecting animals with the blind. A partner who fears and dislikes animals and views them as vermin in the house. Would a relationship between them be an opportunity for growth? Let's talk about what's likeliest here. The animal hater is likely to view the animal lover's points of passion as trivial and the animal lover is likely to feel belittled and shamed for what makes him feel emotionally fulfilled. At some point, the responsibility, or rather, blame, for not having reconciled yourself to this person is simply not worth keeping when the differences are so fundamental that it is attacking something that is a cornerstone of your heart and life's work.

This example is a couple I know about in real life who are having a long and drawn out divorce. Her Saturn and Moon conjunction squares his Moon, and unfortunately this was one of the manifestations. Perhaps they could have worked out a crutch if they were so inclined to persist in the marriage, but there is no way to really change a fundamental feeling you harbor in your heart as personal truth, especially as they were older and this was a second marriage. There wasn't much impetus on her part to suddenly make the journey to empathizing with animals when she spent 50 years of her life just fine in fear of them.

If I had to offer a counter-opinion I would say that hard aspects DO happen, let's not either rose-tint or take the blame for incompatibilities it creates, and try to minimize the amount of them to an amount reasonable to handle between two people?

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Kannon McAfee
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posted March 26, 2017 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This article contains some good perspective ...

"Now, to be fair, if the excitement doesn’t abate for a spell, what once felt exciting can start to rub you the wrong way.... After all, the degree of spice is the difference between a dish being edible or not."

I agree.

"So when two people’s energies create a square, the guiding principle is to treat it as an amber street signal: proceed with caution. If you can imagine two perpendicular vehicles arriving at an intersection at the same time, only one of them will have right-of-way. If you’ve got a square in your synastry, then you may need to give some thought as to which situations confer right-of-way to whom, when that synastry square is activated. This is compromise. And it’s a key requirement with squares, unless you thrive on relentless tension."

Very good advise. I like the analogy.

"Not All Squares Are Created Equally
Some planetary pairings are easier to work with than others. This is true regardless of the aspect they make. For instance, if one person’s planet in Gemini squares the other’s planet in Virgo, then Mercury may have a strong role (as planetary ruler of both of these signs) in mediating the way this square gets expressed by both partners."

I agree again. I also agree with the idea of partners Evolving Together. This is a good article. It should be read widely.

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Originally posted by wal2:
This example is a couple I know about in real life who are having a long and drawn out divorce. Her Saturn and Moon conjunction squares his Moon, and unfortunately this was one of the manifestations.

And you have named only one of their synastry aspects. While no astrologer likes to see such an aspect (for themselves), no single aspect is a 'no'. That one indicates control issues in the domestic space, but the couple may've subconsciously chosen to work on it as their personal karma.

As an astrologer I know I am in no position to tell someone not to do such a thing, but to advise as to the overall potential. My philosophy is one of realism not avoidance of challenges. If you think you can pick a synastry that avoids challenges in order to find a harmonious relationship, good luck.

I look at the overall picture to see what energies they have to work with on the whole. That means (a) preferably a majority of positive, supporting aspects -- or at least something about half-and-half flowing/hard inter-aspects; (b) hitting some basic points of good communication/Mercury, domesticity/Lunar, and preferably affection/Venus aspects that show long-term potential (Venus-Mars not enough) - preferably to the more personal points (Moon, Sun, Asc that has been first carefully validated).

Then there is the realism of what a person can handle in the way of such challenging energies, and whether their hearts are already invested. If hearts are already invested, it absolutely is the proper role of the astrologer to advise as to the energies/areas of issues and how to best approach them. It is not the role of the astrologer to simply predict a bad outcome. That is soothsaying and should be dropped into file 13.

Sometimes we suspect strongly or even know the relationship may meet a disappointing end, but see it as a learning experience, not just 'failure'.

People use astrology to try to out-maneuver challenges because they're afraid they cannot handle them, and may not yet have absorbed the lessons from past relational pains. We also see followers of astrology do this to a degree, because there is difficulty in estimating just how much challenge such challenging aspects really represent. The answer is it is relative to what the persons can handle and to how many and how intense those energies are in the synastry.

Of course, it is far easier, quicker, more convenient for astrologists to see a 'bad' aspect or two and engage the black-and-white thinking machinery and dismiss the relationship based on partial synastry.

If you're not including the declinations you don't have the full synastry picture.

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Randall
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posted March 31, 2017 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting!

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Yanmorg
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posted April 01, 2017 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread!

In my opinion, energies on paper and how they manifest in real life are very different. Environment, culture, and background all play a very significant part. So synastry squares cannot be interpreted solely off the two planets in tension. There are many other factors to consider aside from other aspects and symbolism in the synastry.


For example, me and my boyfriend have a tight moon-moon semisquare in our synastry but his moon is in Virgo in the 10th and my moon is in Libra but in the 6th house trine Saturn at 1 degree. So although this creates a minor square, our symbolism matches so we do share some common ground in the mist of the tention. Just one example.

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