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posted March 28, 2017 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've known this guy for many years now... first through the internet, but then we met each other for the first time last year.
He is a bit dramatic and emotionally unstable sometimes, but overall he have been very determined about his feelings for me, which hasn't really changed at all, only got more intense I think...(we have only met IRL two times)

For a month ago I felt like I had to tell him it was over between us, because it got all too intense too fast. It was like he couldn't get enough of me and called or texted me constantly... but then after a month I started missing him too much, so now we talk again, and there is this great level of acceptance and forgiveness between us which I really like. He is never complaining or bitter, just really wanting the best for me, and that shows some great emotionally stability, which I have never experienced before... so maybe there is some potential?

But I could really really need a good advice or two!!!

Synastry: I am the virgo sun, he is the taurus

Composite chart:

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posted March 28, 2017 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi next to Neptune.

frankly I don't see this as a healthy relationship.
the sun/chiron conjunction is opposed to the Saturn/Neptune conjunction. this most often shows that there is a basic misrepresentation going out if not out right deception. chiron is particularly critical and judgmental in a composite .

mars is square to Pluto which is reflective of a extremely selfish outlook, rarely does this work well in a relationship as it is conducive to control and domination.

on the other hand the venus/mars/mercury stellium opposed to the moon doe show a very affectionate and laughter filled repartee between you.

all the conscious planets reflect a affectionate and positive connection.

the 12th house position of mars and venus also does to bode well for a open and honest relationship.

the Neptune/Saturn conjunction opposed to the sun and chiron, is more often problematic that bonding.

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posted March 29, 2017 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
hi next to Neptune.

frankly I don't see this as a healthy relationship.
the sun/chiron conjunction is opposed to the Saturn/Neptune conjunction. this most often shows that there is a basic misrepresentation going out if not out right deception. chiron is particularly critical and judgmental in a composite .

mars is square to Pluto which is reflective of a extremely selfish outlook, rarely does this work well in a relationship as it is conducive to control and domination.

on the other hand the venus/mars/mercury stellium opposed to the moon doe show a very affectionate and laughter filled repartee between you.

all the conscious planets reflect a affectionate and positive connection.

the 12th house position of mars and venus also does to bode well for a open and honest relationship.

the Neptune/Saturn conjunction opposed to the sun and chiron, is more often problematic that bonding.

todd


Todd - I Dont see how Chiron as an asteroid would suddenly have the dominant influence in a composite, and be more influential than the luminaries? How does that make logical sense? I'm not so fond of asteroid astrology to be honest, cause I really think people often put on too much weight on that, and forgets how much more important the personal planets are, in my opinion.

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posted March 29, 2017 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ascendant and midheaven are rhetorical, mathematical constructs, yet the ascendant is part of the 3 most powerful symbols in a Natal chart sun, moon, ascendant.

And some asteroids such as Ceres have been researched longer than Pluto and Neptune .

If you have never researched the effects of chiron, then of course it will have no value for you. IQ can give accurate readings solely using asteroids. Go figure

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posted March 29, 2017 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
The ascendant and midheaven are rhetorical, mathematical constructs, yet the ascendant is part of the 3 most powerful symbols in a Natal chart sun, moon, ascendant.

And some asteroids such as Ceres have been researched longer than Pluto and Neptune .

If you have never researched the effects of chiron, then of course it will have no value for you. IQ can give accurate readings solely using asteroids. Go figure

Todd


It's not like I haven't researched Chiron and I also do think it has an influence, just a very minor one, and I think sun/moon aspects have a stronger influence than Chiron anytime.

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posted March 29, 2017 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump....

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Kannon McAfee
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posted March 31, 2017 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
It's not like I haven't researched Chiron and I also do think it has an influence, just a very minor one, and I think sun/moon aspects have a stronger influence than Chiron anytime.

Absolutely. However, I tend to agree with todd as to composite because Sun is opposite Saturn-Neptune in addition to the rather sharp square between Mars and Pluto. Read Linda Goodman's Relationship Signs and take very seriously the interpretation and admonitions related to the latter (synastry) aspect. It is no different in composite.

The synastry aspects lean to the negative side as well [planets/nodes only: 15 positive/supporting, 21 negative, and I'm being generous]. There is also his Neptune square your Mercury and opposite your Jupiter-Neptune showing that he knows how to appeal to you, but in a way that is not necessarily in line with your needs or a real understanding and acceptance of who you are. Deception, intentional or unintentional, big promises and confusion as to follow-through will be involved in this relationship. So if your proceed be sure you put both feet onto the solid ground of realism: who you really are and what you really need. I am not advising the assumption that he is now already deceiving you, but that you be more centered in what your truth is.

In addition synastry shows a volatile t-square with his Mars square your Sun-Mars and Moon, while his Mars is opposite your Uranus. Explosive energies of ego battles and emotional drama that feel exciting now and emotionally warm, but which will eventually show themselves more fully. I don't doubt his affection towards you, but there are pronounced stressors on domestic harmony.

This is a relationship, which deserves a far more thorough look as to the astrology if you have any degree of intention on letting it develop. Don't deceive yourself as to the current dynamics or the actual potential. The unanswered questions for its potential lie in aspects involving exactly verified Asc figures, which are not displayed in either data for you or him. There are data irregularities on your end, admittedly only 3 minutes between birth times you've given on this forum, but the Asc figure you give for him is not accurate either. So don't try to rescue the synastry with the displayed charts. Their calculated points are inaccurate.

If it were up to me, I'd say cool things for a while and explore other options. It is nice to be pursued, but there is no commitment or character implied in the chase, only instinct. I cannot recommend this relationship based on what is readily seen in either synastry or composite.

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posted April 01, 2017 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Absolutely. However, I tend to agree with todd as to composite because Sun is opposite Saturn-Neptune in addition to the rather sharp square between Mars and Pluto. Read Linda Goodman's Relationship Signs and take very seriously the interpretation and admonitions related to the latter (synastry) aspect. It is no different in composite.

The synastry aspects lean to the negative side as well [planets/nodes only: 15 positive/supporting, 21 negative, and I'm being generous]. There is also his Neptune square your Mercury and opposite your Jupiter-Neptune showing that he knows how to appeal to you, but in a way that is not necessarily in line with your needs or a real understanding and acceptance of who you are. Deception, intentional or unintentional, big promises and confusion as to follow-through will be involved in this relationship. So if your proceed be sure you put both feet onto the solid ground of realism: who you really are and what you really need. I am not advising the assumption that he is now already deceiving you, but that you be more centered in what your truth is.

In addition synastry shows a volatile t-square with his Mars square your Sun-Mars and Moon, while his Mars is opposite your Uranus. Explosive energies of ego battles and emotional drama that feel exciting now and emotionally warm, but which will eventually show themselves more fully. I don't doubt his affection towards you, but there are pronounced stressors on domestic harmony.

This is a relationship, which deserves a far more thorough look as to the astrology if you have any degree of intention on letting it develop. Don't deceive yourself as to the current dynamics or the actual potential. The unanswered questions for its potential lie in aspects involving exactly verified Asc figures, which are not displayed in either data for you or him. There are data irregularities on your end, admittedly only 3 minutes between birth times you've given on this forum, but the Asc figure you give for him is not accurate either. So don't try to rescue the synastry with the displayed charts. Their calculated points are inaccurate.

If it were up to me, I'd say cool things for a while and explore other options. It is nice to be pursued, but there is no commitment or character implied in the chase, only instinct. I cannot recommend this relationship based on what is readily seen in either synastry or composite.


Thank you so much for your interpretation!

I didn't really pay that much attention to the sun opposite saturn/neptune, but you might be right... but don't forget that we got some really nice neptune/saturn aspects in our synastry (sun/venus/mercury trine neptune/saturn) So I would say these could counteract a bit on the though ones in the composite which might be delusional?

But the mars t-square is really hard for me to get around... I think this is what's going to be the biggest dealbreaker for me, sadly. He got so many good qualities and seems like such a nice guy in so many ways... we share really many interests, and our overall outlook on life is very similar. We get along extremely well and can talk for hours. We inspire each other a lot, and we never get bored when we are together... but somehow this T-square seems a bit frightening on me. I actually feel very freaked out about it. We have only had 1 argument so far, but it was so dramatic (mostly on his side) that I don't know if it will get too much for me. But after a while, it does seem like we are able to forgive each other completely without holding a grudge (something I really like as well)
On the downside I would be seriously afraid what he might end up if we got into a more serious argument.... arguments with only words can be really damaging as well, but with this kind of intensity put on pluto square mars in the composite, I could be afraid that it would turn even more destructive than that? Not that I believe he would turn violent, but I'm pretty sure he got his (taurus)Sun in the 8th house, and that could make him pretty revengeful I suppose.

It would probably go down that direction, or we would have the most amazing make-up sex and actually grow as a couple for each argument. I'm also considering the exact sun trine pluto in our composite. Woudln't that smooth out some of the very rough edges?

All these thoughts still doesn't makes me 100% convinced about why this is such a bad match?

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posted April 01, 2017 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars square pluto!!!! RUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!! It is a power struggle and nothing but underhanded manipulation , games etc. It will transform you and if your both healthy to handle the intensity it can bring but I couldn't deal with it at all!!! It was like constant war!!!

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posted April 01, 2017 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
next to neptune,

If the total synastry aspects aren't at least close to 50% positive/flowing, once both charts have verified Ascendants, I never recommend the relationship, especially with those hard Mars aspects. This is not a synastry (or composite). I'd like to see anyone committed to.

But if your heart is already involved nothing we say and no astrology will matter. You'll have to find out for yourself.

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posted April 06, 2017 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The heart wants what it wants. It may not bode well, but you could have things to learn from one another.

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posted April 06, 2017 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
The heart wants what it wants. It may not bode well, but you could have things to learn from one another.

Yeah we might have... I know he could learn from me to not explode when arguing and not hold a grudge... but I'm not his babysitter either.

But did you analyse each of ours individual charts when interpreting this synastry? Cause I think that also has something to say... for an example, I am a virgo sun conjunction mars, opposite moon. I am used to heated arguments, and not afraid of a bit of drama/jealousy (scorpio venus as well). I have learned to deal with these kinds of emotions all throughout my life, so its not like they are dealbreaker emotions to me.

And he also got sun+venus in his 8th house, so I really think being intense is just his especiality.

With this in mind, its not like I think we are not completely unable to learn how to deal with these very intense and powerful emotions that of cause will happen at some point.

To me this seems as our only true hurdle, it is to learn how to control our aggression and energy when arguing, but perhaps this could also lead to a more dynamic relationship that never gets boring?

I mean, at least I kinda get more attracted to the idea of deep intense emotions, rather than cold-hearted ignorance (which could follow with for an example heavy saturn aspects instead)?

And between: Isn't it sort of also impossible to ever find someone you dont have any challenging aspects with, not even in the composite? At least I have never found one before

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posted April 07, 2017 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Yeah we might have... I know he could learn from me to not explode when arguing and not hold a grudge... but I'm not his babysitter either.

But did you analyse each of ours individual charts when interpreting this synastry? Cause I think that also has something to say... for an example, I am a virgo sun conjunction mars, opposite moon. I am used to heated arguments, and not afraid of a bit of drama/jealousy (scorpio venus as well). I have learned to deal with these kinds of emotions all throughout my life, so its not like they are dealbreaker emotions to me.

And he also got sun+venus in his 8th house, so I really think being intense is just his especiality.

With this in mind, its not like I think we are not completely unable to learn how to deal with these very intense and powerful emotions that of cause will happen at some point.

To me this seems as our only true hurdle, it is to learn how to control our aggression and energy when arguing, but perhaps this could also lead to a more dynamic relationship that never gets boring?

I mean, at least I kinda get more attracted to the idea of deep intense emotions, rather than cold-hearted ignorance (which could follow with for an example heavy saturn aspects instead)?

And between: Isn't it sort of also impossible to ever find someone you dont have any challenging aspects with, not even in the composite? At least I have never found one before


I would follow your heart IN REAL LIFE and not let astrology ruin what could potentially turn out to be a very fruitful and worthwhile partnership (as you seem to describe it to be). Would you feel good about ending it because the stars imply it could? It seems like a weighty decision to leave to chance.

If I had knowledge of astrology earlier in life I probably would have ended my last relationship a lot sooner. We had "red flag" aspects (potential communication issues/power struggles) - Mars square Sun DW, his Mercury was unaspected, my Mercury squared his Sun, my Moon was unaspected, our Mars' were square by sign (Aries vs. Cap), we had Mercury square Mars DW by sign...and yet we never fought ONCE. Any disagreement we had was mild and easily rectified. I never had to be firm with him and he never did with me. We had a very easygoing and natural rapport and are both pretty relaxed people so I think that helped. Being a Libra he probably bent my way a little more anyway Our relationship ultimately ended because we felt more like friends than lovers, but we parted on good terms and still remain friends to this day.

Our synastry has been read as "bland" or "boring" or "not much to it" and one person was surprised to hear we never argued. Maybe that's why there was more of a strong friendship vibe than romantic, but the "hard" aspects I never felt! If I had let astrology win I would have missed out on having someone very important to me and my journey as part of my life.

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posted April 10, 2017 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by margym0o:
I would follow your heart IN REAL LIFE and not let astrology ruin what could potentially turn out to be a very fruitful and worthwhile partnership (as you seem to describe it to be). Would you feel good about ending it because the stars imply it could? It seems like a weighty decision to leave to chance.

If I had knowledge of astrology earlier in life I probably would have ended my last relationship a lot sooner. We had "red flag" aspects (potential communication issues/power struggles) - Mars square Sun DW, his Mercury was unaspected, my Mercury squared his Sun, my Moon was unaspected, our Mars' were square by sign (Aries vs. Cap), we had Mercury square Mars DW by sign...and yet we never fought ONCE. Any disagreement we had was mild and easily rectified. I never had to be firm with him and he never did with me. We had a very easygoing and natural rapport and are both pretty relaxed people so I think that helped. Being a Libra he probably bent my way a little more anyway Our relationship ultimately ended because we felt more like friends than lovers, but we parted on good terms and still remain friends to this day.

Our synastry has been read as "bland" or "boring" or "not much to it" and one person was surprised to hear we never argued. Maybe that's why there was more of a strong friendship vibe than romantic, but the "hard" aspects I never felt! If I had let astrology win I would have missed out on having someone very important to me and my journey as part of my life.


Wow It really does sound surprising with that many squares to your mars!
But yeah, I think thats a very good point in the end. It would be a shame to quit a potentially good relationship only because of astrology...although I am somewhat hesitant about that, cause I kinda "know" astrology is right in the end, so why should I waste my time with some guy I know isn't "the one?"

But I also got to admit that I have more feelings for this guy than I thought, and he seems very interesting to me, so I can't really keep myself away from that... it's a really really long time since I've felt the same way, and feelings are very important (but the same is logic)

Thats why I really struggle with this, cause my emotions is one thing, but my logic tells me that this isn't going to be a lasting relationship at all, so it would be more clever for me to focus my energy on someone else...

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posted April 11, 2017 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Wow It really does sound surprising with that many squares to your mars!
But yeah, I think thats a very good point in the end. It would be a shame to quit a potentially good relationship only because of astrology...although I am somewhat hesitant about that, cause I kinda "know" astrology is right in the end, so why should I waste my time with some guy I know isn't "the one?"

But I also got to admit that I have more feelings for this guy than I thought, and he seems very interesting to me, so I can't really keep myself away from that... it's a really really long time since I've felt the same way, and feelings are very important (but the same is logic)

Thats why I really struggle with this, cause my emotions is one thing, but my logic tells me that this isn't going to be a lasting relationship at all, so it would be more clever for me to focus my energy on someone else...


True, and there's really nothing that can sway us when we have firmly held beliefs.

Perhaps he came into your life for a reason then, and the "pull" you feel is meant to keep you involved so you learn your lessons before you can let him go (if ever). Something is telling you this is more meaningful than "logic" can explain. We can attempt to rationalize just about anything with science and "facts" but the reality is there are just some things in this world we can't explain. Miracles happen everyday.

Synastry analysis can be tricky for this reason especially early on - it almost becomes like a self-fulfilling prophecy because then we look for trouble and automatically point the finger - "oh, we got into a fight, must be cause of the Mars square, bye!" instead of trying to work it out and evolve.

We can get trapped in a "must find perfect synastry" rut but the reality is, you can't blow through 100 suitors looking for that "one" where the stars align - because that's not even a guarantee! We might think our synastry with them is great, but they may not even like us! We can't control their feelings any more than synastry can.

I think people ultimately come into our life no matter how long they are meant to stay and our heart knows this, so don't discount your true feelings

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