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Topic: Mars in synastry - the squares, the massacre
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next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 3037 From: The Moon Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 10, 2014 06:41 AM
Mars is the planet of war. So doesn't the squares/opposition in synastry make some war? The opposition is said to make more of a ping-pong effect - but still open warfare between two people?Do you see mars aspects as a constructive war, that leads to agreement? Or do you see it as something violent, destructive and impossible to have in a good synastry? I've experienced the sun-square mars with a lot of people, not lovers. There always seem to be a harsh tone between us, and it's like we are just out of sync. We just doesn't wan't to do the same things at the same time. With the moon opposition mars I've experienced that arguments can blow up so fast that no one is able to stop it no matter what. And afterwards there is only a little chance that the relationship can be healed, cause of the harsh words that was said. With mars square uranus and pluto I've experienced some of the worst things with people. It seems like these people just want's to completely destroy me if we have an argument. I think mars can be really tricky this way. It's not fun, it's something else than harsh pluto aspect, cause Mars is just a war that you cannot win, where pluto is at least transforming you into something better afterwards. What is your thoughts on this? Am I right or did I get it completely wrong? IP: Logged |
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posted January 10, 2014 06:57 AM
I don't think you're off-base. I used to be the type that believed you could have bad Mars in synastry and make it work or bypass it or work through it or whatever - NO. Especially if it's Mars-Sun and Mars-Pluto like you said, because then it's just one long repeating loop of the two people involved trying to psychologically-kill each other. Seriously. Them trying to destroy you, you trying to destroy them in return.There's just no place for Mars squares in a healthy interaction between two people unless it's only one or two aspects, the orbs are HUGE, and the rest of the synastry is hyper lovey-dovey to counteract it. IP: Logged |
birdy Knowflake Posts: 1610 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted January 10, 2014 11:15 AM
It really depends on what your individual chart needs. Everyone handles the energies differently.IP: Logged |
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posted January 10, 2014 02:20 PM
I have Pluto-mars square with someone. (I'm Pluto) Lots of Pluto conjunctions and Asc conjunctions! So far so good! Moons are very compatible, sun signs. Lots of trines. Also, our communication is stellar so far and our way of tackling issues is to approach it logically and fairly. Not that issues won't arise. We'll see but I don't think it has to be an end-all type of aspect or to cause much disturbance. IP: Logged |
Adimi Knowflake Posts: 1502 From: Registered: Jul 2012
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posted January 10, 2014 03:57 PM
It's really hard to avoid some sort of difficulty within a relationship when you have Mars tensions going on in your Synastry... Me and my brother have a perfect Mars opposition in our Synastry... His Mars also squares my Pluto... You know that stereotype about siblings always fighting, despite the unconditional love between them? We fit that description perfectly... Seriously though, things can go pretty ugly between us. It has always been this way, since I was very little. It's really horrible when it does and I've been trying to have some self-control over this, but he, on the other hand, has a more difficult time doing so... It's a tough thing to have in a Synastry, but there are definitely ways to go around it IP: Logged |
arcturiann Knowflake Posts: 639 From: Titan Registered: Jun 2013
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posted January 11, 2014 11:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by birdy: It really depends on what your individual chart needs. Everyone handles the energies differently.
I agree with this, particularly because I have experienced mars squares in synastry that proved to be beneficial, but it all depends on the individuals in context. For example, I have mars square mercury DW with a gemini, while with some people the harsh combativeness puts them on edge, I found that he rather enjoys the verbal sparring that comes about between us. We find it to be exciting as we challenge eachother's ideas with war-like ardor which takes our productivity to greater heights. Of course there are other harmonious aspects to which this square adds kind of a spice to rather than ruining the whole dish, I can imagine if there were too many dissonant aspects with not enough harmonious ones to lessen the blow it can become very difficult. The context of the natal charts should also be taken into account, as for example I have mars making quintiles to mercury, moon, and the north node in my natal chart, which contributes to my enjoying competitive exchange with others, so long as it is a fun playful competitiveness rather than one where someone is clearly trying to damage the other person in an attempt to be the victor.
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Odette Knowflake Posts: 6755 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted January 11, 2014 11:49 PM
I had my Mars in Cap square his Mars in Aries... To say that this got 'bad' would be a huge understatement. But his Mars is also square Saturn in natal (which is on my own Mars)... and both of our generational Neptunes in Cap are thrown into the mix. I took the first exit and I really think I averted a huge drama. :edit: I also had Sun square Mars and Mars/Pluto aspects in other synastries - but nothing came close to how aggressive Mars square Mars was ... Just *yikes*. In a sense we both also had the best intentions and we still couldn't stand each other ultimately.. which is even weirder. However, things can work with any aspect. While I was looking up our synastry ages ago - I found that Brangelina likewise have an exact Mars square Mars in the same signs (Aries/Cap). It depends on the individual natal aspects to Mars and the maturity of the people involved. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 12, 2014 12:00 AM
His MARS conjunct my PLUTO (exact) opposite his MOON. Were we not such polite, eloquent people, I can imagine things could be very ugly. IP: Logged |
next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 3037 From: The Moon Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 13, 2014 07:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by arcturiann: I agree with this, particularly because I have experienced mars squares in synastry that proved to be beneficial, but it all depends on the individuals in context. For example, I have mars square mercury DW with a gemini, while with some people the harsh combativeness puts them on edge, I found that he rather enjoys the verbal sparring that comes about between us. We find it to be exciting as we challenge eachother's ideas with war-like ardor which takes our productivity to greater heights. Of course there are other harmonious aspects to which this square adds kind of a spice to rather than ruining the whole dish, I can imagine if there were too many dissonant aspects with not enough harmonious ones to lessen the blow it can become very difficult. The context of the natal charts should also be taken into account, as for example I have mars making quintiles to mercury, moon, and the north node in my natal chart, which contributes to my enjoying competitive exchange with others, so long as it is a fun playful competitiveness rather than one where someone is clearly trying to damage the other person in an attempt to be the victor.
Good point. Do you know some natal aspect that could indicate a person who likes verbal battles?
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crabbypatty Knowflake Posts: 822 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2014 07:51 PM
Mercury conjunct mars. My mother has this in her natal. She is literally the most argumentative person I have ever met in 44 years on this planet (this go-around). She MUST disagree with everyone and make it a huge point to do so and challenge the person. But she also has sun conjunct mercury, so I don't know, maybe that amps it up.IP: Logged |
Adimi Knowflake Posts: 1502 From: Registered: Jul 2012
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posted January 13, 2014 07:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by crabbypatty: Mercury conjunct mars. My mother has this in her natal. She is literally the most argumentative person I have ever met in 44 years on this planet (this go-around). She MUST disagree with everyone and make it a huge point to do so and challenge the person. But she also has sun conjunct mercury, so I don't know, maybe that amps it up.
I once had a crush on a guy who had this aspect too. He really enjoyed getting into an argumentative mode and if you got on his bad side... He could be quite verbally mean, actually. He collected enemies all around, lol. But he was actually a good person, just misunderstood. He liked to provoke people too, in a playful manner.
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Yanmorg Knowflake Posts: 1644 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted April 05, 2017 08:49 PM
I have mars in Sagittarius square his mars in Virgo at 1 degree with my boyfriend. We also have mars-saturn DW (square and opposition) mars-pluto DW (conjunction and square.) Mars-jupiter DW. (sextiles) My mars conjuncts his ASC. His mars is in my 4th. Sun-mars quincunx at 1 degree. (I am mars) Moon-mars square. (I am mars) In our composite we have mars-uranus, mars-neptune squares. mars-jupiter conjunction. Mars and Jupiter in the 8th, Uranus/ Neptune in the 11th. Mars trine ASC.
We argue, but I believe our Sun-Venus DW and mars-Jupiter DW really helps smooth things over. Our fights get pretty intense, but nowhere near as bad as the exact mercury-mars conjunction I had in my first serious relationship. I will say we do tend to provoke each other or say things just to get a reaction, but to doesn't get outrageous.
It depends on an individual's tolerance level. All of my horribly destructive relationships involved Pluto and Saturn to Sun. Rarely mars is the culprit unless it's my own.
Mars-mars is definitely frustrating. We grind each other's gears sometimes, but make up just as quickly. He's a Cancer Sun, Virgo Moon. I am a Scorpio Sun, Libra Moon. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 78624 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 05, 2017 09:05 PM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 78624 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 11, 2017 09:37 AM
Mars also equals passion.IP: Logged |
CapriciousCapricorn Knowflake Posts: 1190 From: Registered: Sep 2015
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posted April 11, 2017 02:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: Mars also equals passion.
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Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 2255 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted April 11, 2017 11:59 PM
My wife's Mars 20° Pisces is opposite both my Asc 17° Virgo and my Pluto 25° Virgo. There is no violence or unfair fighting -- no pattern of fighting at all, actually. We occasionally have disagreements which we resolve well, because we are reasonably mature people in our 40s who waited a long time for this marriage.There is no 'war' between us. We have a happy, enjoyable relationship characterized by lots of laughs, daily humor. There is give-and-take, sometimes of the edgy type, but it is never mean-spirited. Mature, spiritually developed people can handle hard Mars aspects in synastry,even with Pluto IF the overall synastry is mostly positive, as Linda Goodman indicated is necessary in her book Relationship Signs, especially when reinforced by Moon-Venus or Moon-Jupiter aspects or the like (one of which we have). Most of the time younger people cannot handle the hard Mars and Mars-Pluto aspects, and egoists never can. Linda Goodman wrote that it takes a saint -- sorta, but not necessarily. You just need to be fully committed, not a fair weather partner, and live by the Golden Rule. ------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
ariesdragon Knowflake Posts: 4429 From: Jupiter Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 13, 2017 07:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: My wife's Mars 20° Pisces is opposite both my Asc 17° Virgo and my Pluto 25° Virgo. There is no violence or unfair fighting -- no pattern of fighting at all, actually. We occasionally have disagreements which we resolve well, because we are reasonably mature people in our 40s who waited a long time for this marriage.There is no 'war' between us. We have a happy, enjoyable relationship characterized by lots of laughs, daily humor. There is give-and-take, sometimes of the edgy type, but it is never mean-spirited. Mature, spiritually developed people can handle hard Mars aspects in synastry,even with Pluto [b]IF the overall synastry is mostly positive, as Linda Goodman indicated is necessary in her book Relationship Signs, especially when reinforced by Moon-Venus or Moon-Jupiter aspects or the like (one of which we have). Most of the time younger people cannot handle the hard Mars and Mars-Pluto aspects, and egoists never can. Linda Goodman wrote that it takes a saint -- sorta, but not necessarily. You just need to be fully committed, not a fair weather partner, and live by the Golden Rule. [/B]
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 78624 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2017 03:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: My wife's Mars 20° Pisces is opposite both my Asc 17° Virgo and my Pluto 25° Virgo. There is no violence or unfair fighting -- no pattern of fighting at all, actually. We occasionally have disagreements which we resolve well, because we are reasonably mature people in our 40s who waited a long time for this marriage.There is no 'war' between us. We have a happy, enjoyable relationship characterized by lots of laughs, daily humor. There is give-and-take, sometimes of the edgy type, but it is never mean-spirited. Mature, spiritually developed people can handle hard Mars aspects in synastry,even with Pluto [b]IF the overall synastry is mostly positive, as Linda Goodman indicated is necessary in her book Relationship Signs, especially when reinforced by Moon-Venus or Moon-Jupiter aspects or the like (one of which we have). Most of the time younger people cannot handle the hard Mars and Mars-Pluto aspects, and egoists never can. Linda Goodman wrote that it takes a saint -- sorta, but not necessarily. You just need to be fully committed, not a fair weather partner, and live by the Golden Rule. [/B]
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outofideas Knowflake Posts: 363 From: Registered: Jul 2014
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posted April 18, 2017 06:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: My wife's Mars 20° Pisces is opposite both my Asc 17° Virgo and my Pluto 25° Virgo. There is no violence or unfair fighting -- no pattern of fighting at all, actually. We occasionally have disagreements which we resolve well, because we are reasonably mature people in our 40s who waited a long time for this marriage.There is no 'war' between us. We have a happy, enjoyable relationship characterized by lots of laughs, daily humor. There is give-and-take, sometimes of the edgy type, but it is never mean-spirited. Mature, spiritually developed people can handle hard Mars aspects in synastry,even with Pluto [b]IF the overall synastry is mostly positive, as Linda Goodman indicated is necessary in her book Relationship Signs, especially when reinforced by Moon-Venus or Moon-Jupiter aspects or the like (one of which we have). Most of the time younger people cannot handle the hard Mars and Mars-Pluto aspects, and egoists never can. Linda Goodman wrote that it takes a saint -- sorta, but not necessarily. You just need to be fully committed, not a fair weather partner, and live by the Golden Rule. [/B]
I've been wondering - how does Mars opposite Ascendant feel for both people? I have someone's Mars exactly opposite my Ascendant, and their Eros closely conjuncts it. Would you also say it's characterised by mutual magnetic attraction, perhaps with a tinge of competitiveness? IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 78624 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 26, 2017 10:44 AM
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