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Mergoatsun
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posted April 10, 2017 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mergoatsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An ex has popped up thanks to Venus rx, and he is practically begging me for a chance to get to know me again. I looked at our synastry, and his Saturn squares my Mars (2), his Nessus conjuncts my Ascendant (exact), and his Pluto squares my Venus (exact). Those are the three synastry aspects that I am concerned about most with him. He says he wants to marry me, and to be the man he was not before. I am definitely wary.

What do you think? I know these aspects can be indicators of violence and obsession in some situations. Does this ring true with your experiences?

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posted April 11, 2017 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
people never change, if it happened once, it will happen again.

with my TF's, i'd get mad at them if they think i should apologize. cause all actions are sacred, and if they dont see the sacredity in what i'm doing, i'd resent them.

if he somehow thinks he was doing something "non-acceptable" then that never occurs for a TF. it's all loved/embraced.

so he himself admitted that he isnt the one by saying that

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posted April 11, 2017 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
An ex has popped up thanks to Venus rx, and he is practically begging me for a chance to get to know me again. I looked at our synastry, and his Saturn squares my Mars (2), his Nessus conjuncts my Ascendant (exact), and his Pluto squares my Venus (exact). Those are the three synastry aspects that I am concerned about most with him. He says he wants to marry me, and to be the man he was not before. I am definitely wary.

What do you think? I know these aspects can be indicators of violence and obsession in some situations. Does this ring true with your experiences?


Dont waste your time with an ex, he is your ex for a reason probably...

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posted April 11, 2017 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn square Mars. Is this really an aspect of violence? If it is, then you're the Mars. Mars is the aggressor correct? I don't see this aspect as aspect of violence, more like a suppressor (Saturn) of action (Mars). But maybe I don't know enough about this aspect.

Venus square Pluto is jealousy, yes. He's the jealous and controlling one. As for Nessus, I'd just ignore that because I don't like asteroids. Plenty to work with as it is. Those who like asteroids here say that they refine synastry and that is cool but I don't think that Nessus alone can cause violence. There should be more than some asteroid aspect in the synastry.

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posted April 11, 2017 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mergoatsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Saturn square Mars. Is this really an aspect of violence? If it is, then you're the Mars. Mars is the aggressor correct? I don't see this aspect as aspect of violence, more like a suppressor (Saturn) of action (Mars). But maybe I don't know enough about this aspect.

Venus square Pluto is jealousy, yes. He's the jealous and controlling one. As for Nessus, I'd just ignore that because I don't like asteroids. Plenty to work with as it is. Those who like asteroids here say that they refine synastry and that is cool but I don't think that Nessus alone can cause violence. There should be more than some asteroid aspect in the synastry.


I'm the Saturn person. To sum up what I've researched, the Mars gets extremely angry from the Saturn person's criticism, or suppressing the Mars, and negativity. In marriage, the Mars person can be violent to the Saturn person apparently, because Mars lashes out. I checked in my parent's synastry because they had extreme domestic violence, and yep, My dad's mars was square my mom's Saturn exact, and my mom's Mars was sextile his Saturn.

I've noticed his jealousy, controlling, and almost obsessive behavior. He refuses to stop until I become "his" again. He is a Marine and talks about shooting any guy that hurts me, or he will say he will knock any guy out who flirts with me. He wants me to move in with him. Yikes, all this to my Aqua Venus is pretty scary.

As for Nessus, the ruling is still out, but I do approach with caution.

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posted April 11, 2017 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mergoatsun,

about Mars square Saturn. Would you say your dad got angry with your mum because she in his eyes was too calm and too rational? Felt like she was not listening to what he was saying, not paying attention to what he wanted etc etc?

Oh..Aquarius Venus. Yeah, I get it because I am Aqua Venus too. Pluto square to such a freedom-loving independent Venus is not easy to put up with. What about your Moon? Which sign? That might help you understand the scope of the problem better. I would probably just rebel against Pluto's manipulations I think..because my Moon is in Aquarius too, not just Venus.

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posted April 11, 2017 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd say do whatever you think will get him out of your system but, actually, if he's the kind of guy who threatens to shoot people....and you're still asking whether he's worth dating?

Don't let a violent man into your life because you think he appreciates you. This is ego talk both ways. Pluto square Venus, can be karmic and complex but on a man who claims threats as his norm, it is quite simply dangerous.

I'm in the sedate UK by the way, that kind of talk is not what I'm used to. So I find it very alarming.... Take care :-)

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posted April 11, 2017 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mergoatsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Mergoatsun,

about Mars square Saturn. Would you say your dad got angry with your mum because she in his eyes was too calm and too rational? Felt like she was not listening to what he was saying, not paying attention to what he wanted etc etc?

Oh..Aquarius Venus. Yeah, I get it because I am Aqua Venus too. Pluto square to such a freedom-loving independent Venus is not easy to put up with. What about your Moon? Which sign? That might help you understand the scope of the problem better. I would probably just rebel against Pluto's manipulations I think..because my Moon is in Aquarius too, not just Venus.


I would say the opposite, my mom was never calm or rational towards my dad. She would always criticise him though, and make sure it cut him to the core. Especially when he had to relearn everything because of a major stroke, she was ruthless. She never listened to his concerns or did what he actually wanted. Of course, my dad was no Saint either. He would lose his temper at her for the smallest of things.

I'm a Leo moon, in the 10th house. Our moons are actually sextile, which is nice. And my moon is also sextile his Venus. My Leo moon kind of enjoys the praise, attention, and compliments he gives me. But I still know that it's probably not normal.

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posted April 11, 2017 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mergoatsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by waxlobster:
I'd say do whatever you think will get him out of your system but, actually, if he's the kind of guy who threatens to shoot people....and you're still asking whether he's worth dating?

Don't let a violent man into your life because you think he appreciates you. This is ego talk both ways. Pluto square Venus, can be karmic and complex but on a man who claims threats as his norm, it is quite simply dangerous.

I'm in the sedate UK by the way, that kind of talk is not what I'm used to. So I find it very alarming.... Take care :-)


It's way different here in the USA. He's from a small town in Michigan, and gun culture is really big there. The more guns you have, and the more you use them, the better.

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posted April 11, 2017 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I've noticed his jealousy, controlling, and almost obsessive behavior.

Mergoatsun:

I think you already know enough about him. If I were a young woman in your position, I'd find the gentlest, but quickest way to cut him off. Seriously. And I would express my concern about this person to friends, family, etc, who could help support you.

You have a chance to break a karmic chain of bad intimate relationships here. And you deserve better -- but you won't get better until you insist on it within yourself.

I hope you decide today.

I'm not saying this is an easy thing to deal with, but I'd seriously consider changing phone numbers, etc. You can do all the research you want, but it will get you nothing. This is a gut-check of you with you.

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posted April 11, 2017 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To further make the point, you are contemplating this while Pluto transits conjunct your Sun (and it will Rx back within 1° of it later this year), plus:
- Pluto [21S10 now] transits parallel your natal Mars 21S24 and Uranus 20S44
- Saturn [22S05 now] transits parallel your natal Mars.

So understand that if you let this guy back into your life, you are probably choosing a far more intense version of learning personal empowerment and how to stand up for yourself than you would be learning otherwise. I suggest you run now rather than later after you have less control or have suffered fear and anxiety or worse.

Certainly you are getting Venus-related progressions, but make room in that window of opportunity for someone better. Progressions also show Mars applying near exact semi-square natal Jupiter. That will last longer and means drama at the very least.

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posted April 12, 2017 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mergoatsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Mergoatsun:

I think you already know enough about him. If I were a young woman in your position, I'd find the gentlest, but quickest way to cut him off. Seriously. And I would express my concern about this person to friends, family, etc, who could help support you.

You have a chance to break a karmic chain of bad intimate relationships here. And you deserve better -- but you won't get better until you insist on it within yourself.

I hope you decide today.

I'm not saying this is an easy thing to deal with, but I'd seriously consider changing phone numbers, etc. You can do all the research you want, but it will get you nothing. This is a gut-check of you with you.


Deep down I know it isn't right, but he is such a charmer! He says all the right things and does so much to make me feel special. He was my first love, my first everything actually. We met when I was 16, and he ghosted me before he left for boot camp. But ever since last year he's been trying to come back to me, but I was in another relationship at that time. I really want to give him another chance. However, something in my gut is telling me it's not right. We do have some serious karmic baggage between us though

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posted April 12, 2017 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
It's way different here in the USA. He's from a small town in Michigan, and gun culture is really big there. The more guns you have, and the more you use them, the better.

Oooooohkayyyyy but I would think that your life is equally valuable...right? :-)

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posted April 12, 2017 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You'll do what you want regardless, and if you have Pluto conjunct your Sun then likely you'll get back with him. How better to learn intensity than with somebody who has the dangerous edge.

Just keep that gut feeling alive and if it tells you to run. Then RUN!

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posted April 16, 2017 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Follow your heart or follow your gut? Often, the two are mutually exclusive.

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posted April 23, 2017 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What did you do?

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posted April 24, 2017 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mergoatsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What did you do?

I chose not to pursue the relationship because my gut told me not to. He is being very persistent and keeps trying to convince me to "give him a chance" but that just supports my decision even more. He doesn't respect me enough to take no for an answer.

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