posted April 16, 2017 08:33 AM            

Here's just two examples:
My Dad's Pluto square's my mother's Gemini stellium.

And in their composite, they have Sun conjunct Uranus, mars conjunct Saturn.

They've been married for over 23 years.
They have been friends since elementary school.

They DO argue,
but no more than any other married couple.

They have A LOT of Jupiter conjunctions and squares between synastry and composite as well so this might be the game-changer.

Either way, more or less positive or negative aspects doesn't determine the outcome of a relationship. Two people just have to be willing to work things out day in and day out.

The surprising thing is, my mother's Saturn doesn't aspect any of my dad's personal planets in their synastry. My dad's saturn only makes a few aspects.

....

see my point.

You just never know.

I believe the only thing a positive/ negative aspect ratio tells us is the degree of challenges the couple will face or the amount at least. It doesn't say whether their will be a lack of love and/ or compassion to see them through those tough times created by those negstive aspects.

posted April 16, 2017 08:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
My parents have a horrible synastry AND composite.

Here's just two examples:
My Dad's Pluto square's my mother's Gemini stellium.

And in their composite, they have Sun conjunct Uranus, mars conjunct Saturn.

They've been married for over 23 years.
They have been friends since elementary school.

They DO argue,
but no more than any other married couple.

They have A LOT of Jupiter conjunctions and squares between synastry and composite as well so this might be the game-changer.

Either way, more or less positive or negative aspects doesn't determine the outcome of a relationship. Two people just have to be willing to work things out day in and day out.

The surprising thing is, my mother's Saturn doesn't aspect any of my dad's personal planets in their synastry. My dad's saturn only makes a few aspects.

....

see my point.

You just never know.

I believe the only thing a positive/ negative aspect ratio tells us is the degree of challenges the couple will face or the amount at least. It doesn't say whether their will be a lack of love and/ or compassion to see them through those tough times created by those negstive aspects.

Love is magical. You can't make it appear on your own, but it can leave on its own if you don't put in the effort and commitment to sustain it.

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posted April 16, 2017 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Does that mean things won't work out between them?

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No. It means the relationship will be a challenge, with conflicts or issues to resolve, etc.

Synastry is two birth charts compared. Birth charts are starting places not outcomes.

My parents have more challenging/negative aspects in their synastry than positive aspects. They've been married over 50 years. But they have a lot of good Moon-Venus, Moon-Asc types of aspects that help make up for the challenging ones. Even then, their relationship has had issues and has been 'work.' They have zero Jupiter aspects in synastry.

Most people do not go into a romantic relationship in the pursuit of domestic bliss thinking I'd like one of those relationships I have to work on daily ... weekly .. We want it to flow and feel harmonious.

Careful examination of synastry can indicate how the relationship could work and where the point of balance and harmony is to be found. Some relationships can proceed in healthy fashion quickly into marital and domestic bliss. Not all of us get that. Other relationships will show a synastry that indicates a slower sequence of steps would be better. Some synastries practically scream to not live with that person.

Generally, it is desirable to have a majority of positive/supportive aspects to lift the two persons up over their challenges. People also define positive or negative aspects differently. I have taken pointers from Robert Hand on this, not standard reductionist equivalencies of square=bad, opposite=bad.

Also, a summary cannot be made of positives vs negatives unless ALL (major) aspects are counted, which includes declinations.

posted April 17, 2017 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
No. It means the relationship will be a challenge, with conflicts or issues to resolve, etc.

Synastry is two birth charts compared. Birth charts are starting places not outcomes.

My parents have more challenging/negative aspects in their synastry than positive aspects. They've been married over 50 years. But they have a lot of good Moon-Venus, Moon-Asc types of aspects that help make up for the challenging ones. Even then, their relationship has had issues and has been 'work.' They have zero Jupiter aspects in synastry.

Most people do not go into a romantic relationship in the pursuit of domestic bliss thinking I'd like one of those relationships I have to work on daily ... weekly .. We want it to flow and feel harmonious.

Careful examination of synastry can indicate how the relationship could work and where the point of balance and harmony is to be found. Some relationships can proceed in healthy fashion quickly into marital and domestic bliss. Not all of us get that. Other relationships will show a synastry that indicates a slower sequence of steps would be better. Some synastries practically scream to not live with that person.

Generally, it is desirable to have a majority of positive/supportive aspects to lift the two persons up over their challenges. People also define positive or negative aspects differently. I have taken pointers from Robert Hand on this, not standard reductionist equivalencies of square=bad, opposite=bad.

Also, a summary cannot be made of positives vs negatives unless ALL (major) aspects are counted, which includes declinations.

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posted April 17, 2017 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
My parents have a horrible synastry AND composite.

Here's just two examples:
My Dad's Pluto square's my mother's Gemini stellium.

And in their composite, they have Sun conjunct Uranus, mars conjunct Saturn.

They've been married for over 23 years.
They have been friends since elementary school.

They DO argue,
but no more than any other married couple.

They have A LOT of Jupiter conjunctions and squares between synastry and composite as well so this might be the game-changer.

Either way, more or less positive or negative aspects doesn't determine the outcome of a relationship. Two people just have to be willing to work things out day in and day out.

The surprising thing is, my mother's Saturn doesn't aspect any of my dad's personal planets in their synastry. My dad's saturn only makes a few aspects.

....

see my point.

You just never know.

I believe the only thing a positive/ negative aspect ratio tells us is the degree of challenges the couple will face or the amount at least. It doesn't say whether their will be a lack of love and/ or compassion to see them through those tough times created by those negstive aspects.

Love is magical. You can't make it appear on your own, but it can leave on its own if you don't put in the effort and commitment to sustain it.

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So wise, and so true!

Saturn does NOT guarantee longevity, nor does its absence guarantee an end. Just like Uranus does not necessarily guarantee shaky ground. No synastry aspect can determine whether or not a relationship will work for the long haul. This much I know from all of the synastries I've done of the people in my life. You have to WANT a relationship to work, and there has to be enough love between a couple to see through the daily challenges.

posted April 17, 2017 02:01 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
So wise, and so true!

Saturn does NOT guarantee longevity, nor does its absence guarantee an end. Just like Uranus does not necessarily guarantee shaky ground. No synastry aspect can determine whether or not a relationship will work for the long haul. This much I know from all of the synastries I've done of the people in my life. You have to WANT a relationship to work, and there has to be enough love between a couple to see through the daily challenges.

It comes down to individual temperament and personality too. Some people are more high strung and would fare better with a more easygoing mate. Some people are more steadfast and do just fine in a long-term committed relationship and others are too free-spirited. I think we forget the people BEHIND the synastry and what drives them in their daily lives.

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posted April 17, 2017 02:04 PM            

Are there strong NODAL ties? I've read in a few places that if a couple doesn't really have an impressive synastry chart, but they have some significant Node aspects, that couple will regardless feel a powerful attraction and connection to one another. It's almost like the karma between them INSISTS on being worked out. Even under some crappy circumstances, they just can't leave each other. And for whatever reason they do part, they may likely still fantasize about each other long after they parted (or maybe even purposely meet up every now and then), because the connection was so memorable. Again, the two people still have to choose to go with it and make something out of that potential, but the energy can be there.

posted April 17, 2017 03:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Mohini108:
Synastry or Composite tells potential, but the individuals are ultimately up to making it work or not.

Are there strong NODAL ties? I've read in a few places that if a couple doesn't really have an impressive synastry chart, but they have some significant Node aspects, that couple will regardless feel a powerful attraction and connection to one another. It's almost like the karma between them INSISTS on being worked out. Even under some crappy circumstances, they just can't leave each other. And for whatever reason they do part, they may likely still fantasize about each other long after they parted (or maybe even purposely meet up every now and then), because the connection was so memorable. Again, the two people still have to choose to go with it and make something out of that potential, but the energy can be there.

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posted April 17, 2017 06:53 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Only conjunctions and oppositions count in regards to aspects to the North Node? My Moon sextiles his North Node. I don't know his birth time. But I can see from changing the times that it's possible that his Moon or Venus may trine my Ascendant.
His Mars is in opposition of my North Node though.

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Yes, hard aspects to NN are the most significant ones. Some astrologers say squares, but that may cause some kind of friction within it, (squares tend to cause the MOST friction of all three hard aspects), so some problems could arise.

Sextiles and Trines usually aren't taken into consideration, because they are way to soft for the NN, which is a high spiritual component.