posted April 17, 2017 04:31 PM            

Other than that, her Mercury is unaspected so perhaps you have a harder time understanding her point of view. Or that because that planet is unaspected, it kind of becomes the "focus" almost like a spotlight is shone on this missing link and it is emphasized even moreso. Your Mercury appears to only oppose her Jupiter so it is not well-aspected either. Communication issues could stem from this arena. Hard aspects to Jupiter speak to "overdoing" it so she may end up sounding preachy instead of encouraging.

Your Pluto sitting on her Mars probably doesn't feel good either. It can fuel her combative side. Being a Mars in Libra do you find she almost HAS to argue the opposing view almost out of principle even if its not necessary?

I'm not too familiar with Chiron aspects but her Chiron sitting right on your Sun seems significant also. She brings pain to your ego? I just noticed your Suns are squared too. Her progressive side is at odds with your more traditional nature.

posted April 17, 2017 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
Your Pisces Moon (very sensitive to begin with) opposing her Virgo (critical) Moon jumped out at me first. That in itself explains the polarity of the Pisces/Virgo axis - critical thinking vs. empathetic feeling.

Other than that, her Mercury is unaspected so perhaps you have a harder time understanding her point of view. Or that because that planet is unaspected, it kind of becomes the "focus" almost like a spotlight is shone on this missing link and it is emphasized even moreso. Your Mercury appears to only oppose her Jupiter so it is not well-aspected either. Communication issues could stem from this arena. Hard aspects to Jupiter speak to "overdoing" it so she may end up sounding preachy instead of encouraging.

Your Pluto sitting on her Mars probably doesn't feel good either. It can fuel her combative side. Being a Mars in Libra do you find she almost HAS to argue the opposing view almost out of principle even if its not necessary?

I'm not too familiar with Chiron aspects but her Chiron sitting right on your Sun seems significant also. She brings pain to your ego? I just noticed your Suns are squared too. Her progressive side is at odds with your more traditional nature.

Since you have this person in your life not-by-choice it seems like you have no choice but to work through your challenges. One of the greatest gifts astrology gives us is not a "death sentence" but AWARENESS so now that you are privy to these issues, you can approach the next encounter better prepared.

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Wow thanks , and yes this makes SO much sense! Especially about her preaching and not encouraging. She also has this annoying tendency, that if I TRY and talk to her about anything going on in my emotional life, she immediately turns it around on her??? Like as if EVERY thing I say somehow reflects on her??? It's ridiculous!!! And the mars in Libra comment makes sO much sense as well! I've commented to her about this...it's like anything I say she has to give the opposing view. I wear my heart on my sleeve, and I feel (correct me if I'm wrong by the look of the chart) but I FEEL strongly that she is VERY narcissistic and selfish, as well as lacking empathy. Yet , she's constantly "Bragging" about the fact that she is such an Empath?? LOL
She also has entitlement issues and most of the time, I walk on eggshells with her as her moods are always so fragile....the more I write about this the more I realize how toxic she is for my soul. Seeing negative things that are not there, all because she is not either willing to go within, or she truly feels she's perfect!

Every time we have had "words" (typically instigated by a "perceived" slight from her end) I feel like a crazy cat chasing it's tail. She throws all of these things out, and then circles back around like she's interrogating me? And all I can say is to throw my hands up and be like "are you kidding me? Why am I defending myself or an action, YET AGAIN????

posted April 18, 2017 12:07 AM            

very evil energy

posted April 18, 2017 05:43 AM            

You've allowed it to be personal and have given her a channel of yours. Annoying, abusive, self-centred she may be but by allowing yourself to respond to everything you're giving her the upper hand.

Take your power back!! You have Pluto conjunct HER Mars-Saturn-Pluto. I can tell you that she suffers with huge insecurities with that Virgo Moon and the Mars-Saturn-Pluto square her Venus. Do you know the best way to sever ties, is to send love, feel compassion? Thank her for giving you the opportunity to be a good person in the face of such difficulty, recognise the pain she must be in to want to hurt you and then cut all cords.

posted April 18, 2017 08:27 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
while i was looking at your charts, since i have a strong energy-ether pull, i felt her negative energy.

very evil energy

it's not something just between you 2. its her

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posted April 18, 2017 08:31 AM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Wow how much energy are you giving this woman, no wonder she's enjoying the dynamic.

You've allowed it to be personal and have given her a channel of yours. Annoying, abusive, self-centred she may be but by allowing yourself to respond to everything you're giving her the upper hand.

Take your power back!! You have Pluto conjunct HER Mars-Saturn-Pluto. I can tell you that she suffers with huge insecurities with that Virgo Moon and the Mars-Saturn-Pluto square her Venus. Do you know the best way to sever ties, is to send love, feel compassion? Thank her for giving you the opportunity to be a good person in the face of such difficulty, recognise the pain she must be in to want to hurt you and then cut all cords.

I re-read and see that she's family. That IS tough, and it's also going to be karmic. Maybe you're making this a bit more personal than it is, sensitivity is more a choice than you realise..... I speak as somebody who's learned to be tougher, with reiki, but also that if somebody snaps at me I walk away. It's their stuff, why make it about you?? :-)

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Hey Waxlobster- it is karmic, I'm very well aware. I have put many boundaries in place, such as not ever telling her anything too personal, but trying to keep the relationship as peaceful as possible. She has children that I love dearly, and care for regularly. I'm not about to allow her to dangle them in my face, and there's no reason for me too allow that to occur. I also am a Reiki Master, believe me I am very tough for a Pisces Moon, and I'm also very peaceful at the same time, but I cannot help my sensitivity. It is a part of me, and is what makes me who I am and good at what I do. It is personal, as she's a close family member. Not sure if you misread something I wrote, but I don't respond to everything. Yesterday was an exception. A person (and a TAURUS at that LOL) can only handle so much before we SNAP! And snap I did, so yeah I suppose I gave her the upper hand yesterday, but oh well , it felt good to tell her to P&*( OFF.

posted April 18, 2017 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
while i was looking at your charts, since i have a strong energy-ether pull, i felt her negative energy.

very evil energy

it's not something just between you 2. its her

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posted April 18, 2017 09:03 PM            

while if someone was like a snail, they dont have the potential

i see your chart will make you a pure, simple, strong but not skilled

her chart will make her, complex, powerful, skilled. all the tools necessary to become corrupt

a simple man can carry logs on his back, stack them, have a pure view on life.

posted April 18, 2017 10:33 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
yes. if someone had extreme ninja skills, they have the potential to do damage

while if someone was like a snail, they dont have the potential

i see your chart will make you a pure, simple, strong but not skilled

her chart will make her, complex, powerful, skilled. all the tools necessary to become corrupt

a simple man can carry logs on his back, stack them, have a pure view on life.

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posted April 19, 2017 06:41 AM            

An abusive dynamic takes two. When there's psychical violence it's very frightening and even dangerous to stand up for yourself and "fight back" so people feel trapped in the victim position. When it comes to emotional abuse the battlefield is mental. Difficulties arise when there's an authority gap like age or social rank but in your specific case you are two women who are more or less equal in age and status as you're part of the same family. The only thing feeding this dynamic is your mindsets.

Aquarius/Virgo Sun/Moon combo (both ways) can be insufferable to deal with as they can't imagine ever being or doing wrong. And they can come off as cold, insensitive and critical which to more sensitive people really does seem abusive.

If she poses no danger just tell her off - as frightening and unpleasant as it sounds. You may break into sweat and feel heat waves by the idea of confronting her in "battle" but I promise you there's a 90% that when you clap back she'll be stunned and she'll back down instead of attack.

Tell her "no".
Tell her to "shut up".
Laugh it off and dismiss her when she exhibits behavior that usually frightens you.
Put her on the spot with provocative questions if she starts being nasty like "What's your problem with me right now?"
Raise your voice in the worst cases if she forgets how to behave properly.

Soon you'll realize that the "power" she has on you is an illusion and that if you hold your own she can't affect you.

All of this applies if you have given up on trying to communicate. It's always better to heal through communication but that also takes two and doesn't work if one person refuses to reciprocate.

As reassurance I can say that despite her nasty behavior she isn't a warrior type. Most of her placements are submissive and non-confrontational - (Libra Mars, Virgo Moon, Aquarius Sun sort of) so putting her in her place might be all the more effective.

posted April 19, 2017 08:47 AM            

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There's a saying in my country that translates to "The dog jumps according to the stick" meaning that if you put someone in their place they start to behave properly.

An abusive dynamic takes two. When there's psychical violence it's very frightening and even dangerous to stand up for yourself and "fight back" so people feel trapped in the victim position. When it comes to emotional abuse the battlefield is mental. Difficulties arise when there's an authority gap like age or social rank but in your specific case you are two women who are more or less equal in age and status as you're part of the same family. The only thing feeding this dynamic is your mindsets.

Aquarius/Virgo Sun/Moon combo (both ways) can be insufferable to deal with as they can't imagine ever being or doing wrong. And they can come off as cold, insensitive and critical which to more sensitive people really does seem abusive.

If she poses no danger just tell her off - as frightening and unpleasant as it sounds. You may break into sweat and feel heat waves by the idea of confronting her in "battle" but I promise you there's a 90% that when you clap back she'll be stunned and she'll back down instead of attack.

Tell her "no".
Tell her to "shut up".
Laugh it off and dismiss her when she exhibits behavior that usually frightens you.
Put her on the spot with provocative questions if she starts being nasty like "What's your problem with me right now?"
Raise your voice in the worst cases if she forgets how to behave properly.

Soon you'll realize that the "power" she has on you is an illusion and that if you hold your own she can't affect you.

All of this applies if you have given up on trying to communicate. It's always better to heal through communication but that also takes two and doesn't work if one person refuses to reciprocate.

As reassurance I can say that despite her nasty behavior she isn't a warrior type. Most of her placements are submissive and non-confrontational - (Libra Mars, Virgo Moon, Aquarius Sun sort of) so putting her in her place might be all the more effective.

I've dealt with a Virgo Sun/Aquarius Moon and standing up for myself worked wonders.

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Hi! Thanks for the reply. You said this

"Aquarius/Virgo Sun/Moon combo (both ways) can be insufferable to deal with as they can't imagine ever being or doing wrong. And they can come off as cold, insensitive and critical which to more sensitive people really does seem abusive."

posted April 20, 2017 08:34 AM            

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Originally posted by DreamCatcher:
Hey Waxlobster- it is karmic, I'm very well aware. I have put many boundaries in place, such as not ever telling her anything too personal, but trying to keep the relationship as peaceful as possible. She has children that I love dearly, and care for regularly. I'm not about to allow her to dangle them in my face, and there's no reason for me too allow that to occur. I also am a Reiki Master, believe me I am very tough for a Pisces Moon, and I'm also very peaceful at the same time, but I cannot help my sensitivity. It is a part of me, and is what makes me who I am and good at what I do. It is personal, as she's a close family member. Not sure if you misread something I wrote, but I don't respond to everything. Yesterday was an exception. A person (and a TAURUS at that LOL) can only handle so much before we SNAP! And snap I did, so yeah I suppose I gave her the upper hand yesterday, but oh well , it felt good to tell her to P&*( OFF.

I have recognized and tried to send compassion and love and light to her, AND walk away when I need to, but when she nitpicks and projects her crap onto me time and time again, and is COMPLETELY NOT SELF REFLECTIVE AT ALL! It's extremely frustrating and irritating. So take back my power? Yes I'm trying, I'm afraid I don;t know how......but thank you!
As of right now, cutting her out of my life is not an option. I love the children too much.

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Hey there, wonderful that you're a reiki master. Have you ever read anything about ho'oponopono?

I'm not saying I never get upset with people of course, just that this conversation right here is giving this woman a lot of energy!! If you're a reiki master it could be why she targets your energy!!

As for her not being self-reflective, well that's her right and her choice. You can only control your response and give her children the best love and example you can.

Nit picking is just Chiron coming out wrongly, if you can't switch off then try to play a game in your head about it. Find humour in it?

I wouldn't change my sensitivity to anything either but connecting to people is a choice you can make. Why not give yourself reiki when she's around and why listen to somebody's words when they interrupt better thoughts in your head ;-)

You'll be good. I know the karmic ones get under our skin more, but that means there's something to learn and sometimes it's about accepting that all levels of evolution exist equally.

posted April 20, 2017 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Hey there, wonderful that you're a reiki master. Have you ever read anything about ho'oponopono?

I'm not saying I never get upset with people of course, just that this conversation right here is giving this woman a lot of energy!! If you're a reiki master it could be why she targets your energy!!

As for her not being self-reflective, well that's her right and her choice. You can only control your response and give her children the best love and example you can.

Nit picking is just Chiron coming out wrongly, if you can't switch off then try to play a game in your head about it. Find humour in it?

I wouldn't change my sensitivity to anything either but connecting to people is a choice you can make. Why not give yourself reiki when she's around and why listen to somebody's words when they interrupt better thoughts in your head ;-)

You'll be good. I know the karmic ones get under our skin more, but that means there's something to learn and sometimes it's about accepting that all levels of evolution exist equally.

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