posted January 28, 2007 01:15 PM              

For example I feel a strong attraction to someone, but it`s not really shown through major aspects.
We don`t have a Venus-Mars-aspect (we have a tight Venus-Pluto-square and an exact Mars-Pluto-sextile, though), but his Mars is semisquare my Venus (orb: 1°) and his Venus is semisquare my Pluto (orb: 1°).

Can it be that I feel the semisquares?

posted January 28, 2007 01:29 PM            

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The "Minor" Synastry Aspects

You are unlikely to find predominance because of the orb used for the so-called "Minor" aspects. However they form an important role in assessing the grid because they operate at a less conscious, more subliminal level.

The Semisquare implies discontent.

It can illustrate a lack of trust in the relationship. There is an unwillingness to go all the way to a full blown aspects, and irritation and conflict is rarely addressed, but they seem to get half way but then back off. When semi-squares are triggered, old habits and irritations loom large and take on ridiculous proportions. What might seem a cute little habit when you are in the glister of first love becomes the straw that can break the camels back in 20 year's time and the issues just simmer along until a transit triggers them. Apparently 'good' relationship can then break under the strain of what might seem to others a trivial issue.

The Sesquisquare implies ongoing but unrecognised irritants.

This is a bit like the semi square except there might be a bit more chance of facing it. Indeed it is faced so many times as a dynamic in the relationship that it eventually becomes a reliable source of conflict in what might otherwise be a dull existence. It takes irritation and makes it full blown frustration. It can however, lead to confronting and issue at least, usually after a long period. But residual animosity tends to remain. When this aspect appears frequently in relationships grid, the partners will tend to take things to extremes to test each other.

The Quincunx is a very difficult aspect.

There are charts where this takes dominance and they are toxic relationships. Generally said to be the areas where adjustments have to be made, if one has to adjust to the point of losing focus then it is a sinister aspect. The Quincunx "swings" between a trine and opposition. There is a constant shifting of energy that can be wearing. This aspect is the stuff of the victim / perpetrator and one hopes not to find it except in small numbers. Too many and the chances of the relationship being healthy are remote. It occurs commonly in charts where one partner is alcoholic, sick, or escapes responsibility through infidelity or illness and the other takes the strain. The quincunx erodes the relationship. It is like standing talking to someone and they don't make eye contact, their eyes flick from left to right but never directly at you, you're not even sure they are listening and then you start to feel uneasy, edgy and uptight. If you've experienced that you understand how disconcerting it can be. Well, imagine that as a constant dynamic in a relationship, an uneasy, fearful feeling. It's enough to erode any relationship. It's almost like developing an allergy to each other, and can in fact give real physical symptoms. Hypochondria is part of this dynamic, the ultimate cop out, the 'escape into sickness' syndrome and you wonder who is the perpetrator and who is the victim. You never really know except that someone is carrying the load. Adjustment implies change and too many adjustments imply complete change. A few quincunxes might be fruitful for individual personal change to accommodate the needs of another, but too many are too demanding.

The Quintile is the creative, willing risk taking, playful and joyful dimension of the relationship.

If you find these there is joy to be found in the relationship. It might be through children, through work or just simply enjoyment of each other and a common involvement with arts, music etc. These people are prepared to take a few chances, and will tend to lay it all on the line to each other so there is indwelling honesty. This is where the love affair can continue into old age. It is a solar kind of energy and if it's between personal planets, they each shine and bask in each other's glow. It occurs in partnerships in artistic fields. Individually they may be mediocre but together they're dynamite. They bounce off each other, feed each other, inspire and resonate off each other. The vibration is wonderful. It brings the facet of playfulness to the relationship, a childlike quality that means there is an area, which is fun. So, of the minor aspects you can't do better than a quintile. It's the Best Friend energy that can keep a relationship alive and vital. But it goes a little further because it empowers the individuals to be creative and fruitful within the relationship.

The Septile carries both spiritual overtones and shadow undertones.

A few septiles imply spiritual bonding. There is rapport at a mental level; one intuits the thoughts of the other. There is a psychic link, a reading of minds and uniting of thoughts that is almost telepathic. However, if there's too much mental or psychic linking it can become intrusive. One might not want the other to tune in to their thoughts! Too many septiles can intrude in a sinister way and creates an environment whereby shadows come out to play.

The Novile implies the search for perfection.

It illustrates what one might expect or hope for in the relationship and may or may not find. Noviles in a Synastry highlight areas where there is a possibility of 'trap setting' dynamics because of preconditioned expectations. Like the Septile it operates like an unconscious harmonic vibration and may well have a lot to do with childhood expectations. You fall in love with an idea(l). Archetype meets archetype - the handsome prince and princess swoon! Then reality strikes and in reality things are not as expected. It can be wonderful when someone measures up to the ideal and creates an exchange whereby there is a sense of dreams coming true. But this aspect can also promote an environment of testing and trap setting. Too many of these and partners are constantly setting the other up for failure. Even when they pass a test, there's another around the corner!

In a general sense, the main aspects plus a few of the main 'minor' one should give a chart with enough space for energy to move. When you use the Synastry grid, it doesn't need to be picked to pieces and examined through specific individual aspects unless there is an issue. Many of these issues will arise through contacts by transit or progression to one of the partner's natal planets and constellate and emerge, through the dynamics of the energy contacts in the relationship. The overview, the individual natal charts, and aspects involved in the 'hot spot' that is focussed by transits and progressions give a clear picture of issues and enable creative dialogue and hopefully, resolution. www.panplanet.com/articles/aspects.html

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posted January 28, 2007 04:38 PM              

Thanks Peri. I thought those were rather harsh, but I guess once you've been in a relationship for a while have gotten used to the major aspect energy, the minor aspect energy becomes more and more noticeable, for better or worse.

BTW for whomever - a sesquisquare is the same as a sesquiquadrate. It's 135 degrees. This aspect is showing up more and more in software, and the abbreviation is usually "ses" but I've seen other things. The symbol should like like a square "Q" like this:

Not to be confused with a quintile's symbol which looks like a normal "Q":

A quintile's 72 degrees. Bi-quintile is 144.

A septile is 51.4 degrees.

A novile is 40 degrees.

As usual, no more than a 2 degree orb for these.

posted January 28, 2007 04:43 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted January 29, 2007 08:47 AM              

According to your replies it seems that one can feel the semisquare, sesisquare and quinkunx more strongly than other minor aspects?
Mmh, maybe because those are hard minor aspects?

And the Moon-Saturn-quinkunx; I have that natally with an orb of 09 minutes, and it`s certainly no joy for me.
Sometimes it feels more stressful and depressing than my Venus-Pluto-square.
It`s always there, even though not in the centre of attention, but it often prevents me from being able to relax. It`s as if there`s always the feeling of haven`t done enough. You know,e ven if all th work is done (the major things), and I could lean back and relax, there`s this thought I should still do something, or that I may have forgotten to do something small, that could get big, if I don`t remember it.
Does that sound crazy?
But it`s as if I`m always having a bad conscience, not even knowing for what reason.

DD

posted January 30, 2007 11:04 AM              

Peri - I'm not sure if I had a past life connection with this Aqua guy, but our synsatry certainly indicated that. We had nodal aspect both ways, on both nodes. We had several major aspects with several minor ones, including several tight septiles:

His Merc - my Neptune
His Merc - my Jupiter
His Pluto - my Sun
His Pluto - my Uranus
His Moon - my Saturn
His Moon - my Mars
His Mars - my Neptune

posted January 31, 2007 02:13 AM              

yes, I relate to that thing of the "fatal attraction that is not seen right away in the major aspects".
I do have some major aspects to that guy`s chart; we almost have a Venus-Mars-conjunction, but only almost, since they are in different signs and almost 9° apart from each other.
The comparision gets interesting, if you look under the surface, at the minor aspects and midpoints (for example his Sun-Moon-midpoint is conjunct my Moon).
My question about minor aspects hinted actually at that.
Can those minor aspects be a sign of attraction?
I get the feeling they can.

I think your story is just another proof of that unexplicable soul-connection and attraction that can be there, but can`t be seen, if you don`t dig a bit deeper.

GeminiNymph,
Yes, I believe nodal contacts can be quite strong in synastry. I remember, I had that with a guy, my Moon fell onto his Southern Node and his Pluto squared my nodes.
it took 16 years to get over him! I`m still not completely sure, if I really did, though. lol Well, I`ve gotten over that insane attractions (no "in love feelings" anymore), but I feel that he will always be a part of my life or rather my thoughts.
We also had some Venus-Pluto-action going on; my Pluto opposite his Mercury and biseptile his Venus. His Pluto squared my Mars, AC and trine my Venus. and my Venus exactly opposite his Venus-Pluto-midpoint; and in the Draconic charts his Pluto was / is conjunct my Venus. Talk about fatal attraction! But that is long gone now.

In that other case, with the guy, I feel so unexplainably drawn to, there are also some septiles and biseptiles.

His Sun septile my Uranus
His Moon biseptile my Moon
his Moon biseptile my Sun (orb is 5 minutes)
His Moon biseptile my Mercury
His Mercury septile my Pluto
HIs Venus septile my Midheaven

Don`t really know how to interprete this, but it seems that his Moon falls onto a sensitive spot in my horoscope, making all those aspects to my horoscope.
His Moon
biseptile my Sun
biseptile my Moon
biseptile my Mercury
square my Venus
trine my Mars
trine my Neptune
opposite my Pluto
trine my Node
trine my AC
conjunct my IC

DD

posted June 27, 2008 10:06 AM            

personally l think the quincunx is very exciting as an aspect!

As you know l have in draco synastry, his dr Pluto opposes my natal Venus (1) 
my Draco Pluto sextile his Draco Venus (0)

posted June 27, 2008 11:22 AM            

MY jupiter is exact novile his venus which is a lovely combo
My chiron is novile his IC which must be healing to him?

posted December 06, 2010 06:53 PM            

We have a ton of Quintiles/BiQuintiles and Sesquisquares.... Thank you for posting this...

Minor Aspects (Sidereal Zodiac, true ayanamsa)

Him to me...

Chart 1 - Chart 2
Sun (Can 24°24') - Ven (Sag 08°29'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 0°55'
Sun (Can 24°24') - NNd (Lib 09°51'): quintile (72°00') orb: 3°27'
Sun (Can 24°24') - Jun (Lib 09°27'): quintile (72°00') orb: 3°04'
Moo (Can 15°26') - Ven (Sag 08°29'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 0°57'
Moo (Can 15°26') - Jup (Tau 02°53'): quintile (72°00') orb: 0°33'
Mer (Can 20°03') - Ven (Sag 08°29'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 3°27'
Ven (Gem 14°37') - Sun (Sco 00°21'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 0°44'
Ven (Gem 14°37') - Mar (Sco 03°00'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 3°23'
Ven (Gem 14°37') - Chi (Ari 04°57'): quintile (72°00') orb: 2°20'
Ven (Gem 14°37') - Cer (Leo 28°17'): quintile (72°00') orb: 1°40'
Mar (Vir 02°38') - Nep (Sco 19°25'): quintile (72°00') orb: 4°47'
Mar (Vir 02°38') - SNd (Ari 09°51'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 1°13'
Mar (Vir 02°38') - Chi (Ari 04°57'): inconjunction (150°00') orb: 2°19'
Mar (Vir 02°38') - BMo (Ari 18°49'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 1°11'
Jup (Cap 06°53') - Moo (Leo 15°04'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 2°11'
Sat (Cap 01°39') - Moo (Leo 15°04'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 1°35'
Sat (Cap 01°39') - Ura (Lib 14°58'): quintile (72°00') orb: 4°41'
Sat (Cap 01°39') - Pal (Can 29°41'): inconjunction (150°00') orb: 1°58'
Ura (Leo 02°17') - Ura (Lib 14°58'): quintile (72°00') orb: 0°41'
Ura (Leo 02°17') - NNd (Lib 09°51'): quintile (72°00') orb: 4°26'
Ura (Leo 02°17') - Jun (Lib 09°27'): quintile (72°00') orb: 4°50'
Nep (Lib 15°20') - Pal (Can 29°41'): quintile (72°00') orb: 3°40'
Plu (Leo 13°50') - Sun (Sco 00°21'): quintile (72°00') orb: 4°31'
NNd (Leo 03°51') - Ura (Lib 14°58'): quintile (72°00') orb: 0°54'
SNd (Aqu 03°51') - Nep (Sco 19°25'): quintile (72°00') orb: 2°26'
SNd (Aqu 03°51') - Plu (Vir 19°37'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 0°45'
SNd (Aqu 03°51') - Ves (Can 02°45'): inconjunction (150°00') orb: 1°07'
SNd (Aqu 03°51') - BMo (Ari 18°49'): quintile (72°00') orb: 2°58'
Chi (Aqu 11°45') - Plu (Vir 19°37'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 1°51'
Chi (Aqu 11°45') - BMo (Ari 18°49'): quintile (72°00') orb: 4°56'
Cer (Ari 28°18') - Plu (Vir 19°37'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 2°42'
Pal (Pis 00°16') - Sat (Can 23°13'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 1°03'
Pal (Pis 00°16') - Ura (Lib 14°58'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 0°19'
Pal (Pis 00°16') - Pal (Can 29°41'): inconjunction (150°00') orb: 0°36'
Jun (Pis 07°15') - Sat (Can 23°13'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 0°57'
Jun (Pis 07°15') - Ura (Lib 14°58'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 1°42'
Jun (Pis 07°15') - NNd (Lib 09°51'): inconjunction (150°00') orb: 2°36'
Jun (Pis 07°15') - Pal (Can 29°41'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 1°35'
Jun (Pis 07°15') - Jun (Lib 09°27'): inconjunction (150°00') orb: 2°12'
Ves (Tau 03°16') - Ven (Sag 08°29'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 0°46'
Ves (Tau 03°16') - Plu (Vir 19°37'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 1°21'
BMo (Can 27°51') - NNd (Lib 09°51'): quintile (72°00') orb: 0°00'
BMo (Can 27°51') - Jun (Lib 09°27'): quintile (72°00') orb: 0°24'

Me to him....

Minor Aspects (Sidereal Zodiac, true ayanamsa)
Chart 1 - Chart 2
Sun (Sco 00°21') - Ven (Gem 14°37'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 0°44'
Sun (Sco 00°21') - Plu (Leo 13°50'): quintile (72°00') orb: 4°31'
Moo (Leo 15°04') - Jup (Cap 06°53'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 2°11'
Moo (Leo 15°04') - Sat (Cap 01°39'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 1°35'
Ven (Sag 08°29') - Sun (Can 24°24'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 0°55'
Ven (Sag 08°29') - Moo (Can 15°26'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 0°57'
Ven (Sag 08°29') - Mer (Can 20°03'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 3°27'
Ven (Sag 08°29') - Ves (Tau 03°16'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 0°46'
Mar (Sco 03°00') - Ven (Gem 14°37'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 3°23'
Jup (Tau 02°53') - Moo (Can 15°26'): quintile (72°00') orb: 0°33'
Sat (Can 23°13') - Pal (Pis 00°16'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 1°03'
Sat (Can 23°13') - Jun (Pis 07°15'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 0°57'
Ura (Lib 14°58') - Sat (Cap 01°39'): quintile (72°00') orb: 4°41'
Ura (Lib 14°58') - Ura (Leo 02°17'): quintile (72°00') orb: 0°41'
Ura (Lib 14°58') - NNd (Leo 03°51'): quintile (72°00') orb: 0°54'
Ura (Lib 14°58') - Pal (Pis 00°16'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 0°19'
Ura (Lib 14°58') - Jun (Pis 07°15'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 1°42'
Nep (Sco 19°25') - Mar (Vir 02°38'): quintile (72°00') orb: 4°47'
Nep (Sco 19°25') - SNd (Aqu 03°51'): quintile (72°00') orb: 2°26'
Plu (Vir 19°37') - SNd (Aqu 03°51'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 0°45'
Plu (Vir 19°37') - Chi (Aqu 11°45'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 1°51'
Plu (Vir 19°37') - Cer (Ari 28°18'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 2°42'
Plu (Vir 19°37') - Ves (Tau 03°16'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 1°21'
NNd (Lib 09°51') - Sun (Can 24°24'): quintile (72°00') orb: 3°27'
NNd (Lib 09°51') - Ura (Leo 02°17'): quintile (72°00') orb: 4°26'
NNd (Lib 09°51') - Jun (Pis 07°15'): inconjunction (150°00') orb: 2°36'
NNd (Lib 09°51') - BMo (Can 27°51'): quintile (72°00') orb: 0°00'
SNd (Ari 09°51') - Mar (Vir 02°38'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 1°13'
Chi (Ari 04°57') - Ven (Gem 14°37'): quintile (72°00') orb: 2°20'
Chi (Ari 04°57') - Mar (Vir 02°38'): inconjunction (150°00') orb: 2°19'
Cer (Leo 28°17') - Ven (Gem 14°37'): quintile (72°00') orb: 1°40'
Pal (Can 29°41') - Sat (Cap 01°39'): inconjunction (150°00') orb: 1°58'
Pal (Can 29°41') - Nep (Lib 15°20'): quintile (72°00') orb: 3°40'
Pal (Can 29°41') - Pal (Pis 00°16'): inconjunction (150°00') orb: 0°36'
Pal (Can 29°41') - Jun (Pis 07°15'): biquintile (144°00') orb: 1°35'
Jun (Lib 09°27') - Sun (Can 24°24'): quintile (72°00') orb: 3°04'
Jun (Lib 09°27') - Ura (Leo 02°17'): quintile (72°00') orb: 4°50'
Jun (Lib 09°27') - Jun (Pis 07°15'): inconjunction (150°00') orb: 2°12'
Jun (Lib 09°27') - BMo (Can 27°51'): quintile (72°00') orb: 0°24'
Ves (Can 02°45') - SNd (Aqu 03°51'): inconjunction (150°00') orb: 1°07'
BMo (Ari 18°49') - Mar (Vir 02°38'): sesquisquare (135°00') orb: 1°11'
BMo (Ari 18°49') - SNd (Aqu 03°51'): quintile (72°00') orb: 2°58'
BMo (Ari 18°49') - Chi (Aqu 11°45'): quintile (72°00') orb: 4°56'

posted May 21, 2017 12:11 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Peri:
I felt the synastry septile with someone...or maybe I still feel it

[QUOTE]The "Minor" Synastry Aspects

You are unlikely to find predominance because of the orb used for the so-called "Minor" aspects. However they form an important role in assessing the grid because they operate at a less conscious, more subliminal level.

The Semisquare implies discontent.

It can illustrate a lack of trust in the relationship. There is an unwillingness to go all the way to a full blown aspects, and irritation and conflict is rarely addressed, but they seem to get half way but then back off. When semi-squares are triggered, old habits and irritations loom large and take on ridiculous proportions. What might seem a cute little habit when you are in the glister of first love becomes the straw that can break the camels back in 20 year's time and the issues just simmer along until a transit triggers them. Apparently 'good' relationship can then break under the strain of what might seem to others a trivial issue.

The Sesquisquare implies ongoing but unrecognised irritants.

This is a bit like the semi square except there might be a bit more chance of facing it. Indeed it is faced so many times as a dynamic in the relationship that it eventually becomes a reliable source of conflict in what might otherwise be a dull existence. It takes irritation and makes it full blown frustration. It can however, lead to confronting and issue at least, usually after a long period. But residual animosity tends to remain. When this aspect appears frequently in relationships grid, the partners will tend to take things to extremes to test each other.

The Quincunx is a very difficult aspect.

There are charts where this takes dominance and they are toxic relationships. Generally said to be the areas where adjustments have to be made, if one has to adjust to the point of losing focus then it is a sinister aspect. The Quincunx "swings" between a trine and opposition. There is a constant shifting of energy that can be wearing. This aspect is the stuff of the victim / perpetrator and one hopes not to find it except in small numbers. Too many and the chances of the relationship being healthy are remote. It occurs commonly in charts where one partner is alcoholic, sick, or escapes responsibility through infidelity or illness and the other takes the strain. The quincunx erodes the relationship. It is like standing talking to someone and they don't make eye contact, their eyes flick from left to right but never directly at you, you're not even sure they are listening and then you start to feel uneasy, edgy and uptight. If you've experienced that you understand how disconcerting it can be. Well, imagine that as a constant dynamic in a relationship, an uneasy, fearful feeling. It's enough to erode any relationship. It's almost like developing an allergy to each other, and can in fact give real physical symptoms. Hypochondria is part of this dynamic, the ultimate cop out, the 'escape into sickness' syndrome and you wonder who is the perpetrator and who is the victim. You never really know except that someone is carrying the load. Adjustment implies change and too many adjustments imply complete change. A few quincunxes might be fruitful for individual personal change to accommodate the needs of another, but too many are too demanding.

The Quintile is the creative, willing risk taking, playful and joyful dimension of the relationship.

If you find these there is joy to be found in the relationship. It might be through children, through work or just simply enjoyment of each other and a common involvement with arts, music etc. These people are prepared to take a few chances, and will tend to lay it all on the line to each other so there is indwelling honesty. This is where the love affair can continue into old age. It is a solar kind of energy and if it's between personal planets, they each shine and bask in each other's glow. It occurs in partnerships in artistic fields. Individually they may be mediocre but together they're dynamite. They bounce off each other, feed each other, inspire and resonate off each other. The vibration is wonderful. It brings the facet of playfulness to the relationship, a childlike quality that means there is an area, which is fun. So, of the minor aspects you can't do better than a quintile. It's the Best Friend energy that can keep a relationship alive and vital. But it goes a little further because it empowers the individuals to be creative and fruitful within the relationship.

The Septile carries both spiritual overtones and shadow undertones.

A few septiles imply spiritual bonding. There is rapport at a mental level; one intuits the thoughts of the other. There is a psychic link, a reading of minds and uniting of thoughts that is almost telepathic. However, if there's too much mental or psychic linking it can become intrusive. One might not want the other to tune in to their thoughts! Too many septiles can intrude in a sinister way and creates an environment whereby shadows come out to play.

The Novile implies the search for perfection.

It illustrates what one might expect or hope for in the relationship and may or may not find. Noviles in a Synastry highlight areas where there is a possibility of 'trap setting' dynamics because of preconditioned expectations. Like the Septile it operates like an unconscious harmonic vibration and may well have a lot to do with childhood expectations. You fall in love with an idea(l). Archetype meets archetype - the handsome prince and princess swoon! Then reality strikes and in reality things are not as expected. It can be wonderful when someone measures up to the ideal and creates an exchange whereby there is a sense of dreams coming true. But this aspect can also promote an environment of testing and trap setting. Too many of these and partners are constantly setting the other up for failure. Even when they pass a test, there's another around the corner!

In a general sense, the main aspects plus a few of the main 'minor' one should give a chart with enough space for energy to move. When you use the Synastry grid, it doesn't need to be picked to pieces and examined through specific individual aspects unless there is an issue. Many of these issues will arise through contacts by transit or progression to one of the partner's natal planets and constellate and emerge, through the dynamics of the energy contacts in the relationship. The overview, the individual natal charts, and aspects involved in the 'hot spot' that is focussed by transits and progressions give a clear picture of issues and enable creative dialogue and hopefully, resolution. www.panplanet.com/articles/aspects.html

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posted May 21, 2017 01:26 AM            

My Boss Sun noviles my Mercury Rx which rules my 8H and falls in my 10H (counseling field). Her Sun also quintiles my Northnode.

I natally have Mercury parallel Pluto and Mercury novile Pluto so I have my gifts but bc of the nature of the novile in synastry I could see how this sets me up for frustrations with her but in the end it will push me towards my Northnode since her Sun quintiles my Northnode.