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GrlyGirl200
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posted June 03, 2017 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been thinking about this and what it means. I wanted to know if a planet to your 4th is equal to a moon aspect. For instance let's say someone overlays your 4th with their Sun..,it would end up being similar or feel similar to a Sun-Moon Conjunction. This could be applied for any planet if they overlay the 4th.

I know a person who has their Sun and Saturn Conjunction in my 4th...the funny thing is their Sun and Saturn is in Libra...I'm a Cancer Sun with Cap Moon in the 7th Trine Venus (his sun and my moon are similar with a Saturn and Venus feel)...I just didn't know if any of this is why I feel so comfy and at home with this person. He feels like family to be honest.

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posted June 03, 2017 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good question. Instead of Moon connotations how about Cancer (traits) connotations?

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posted June 03, 2017 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Good question. Instead of Moon connotations how about Cancer (traits) connotations?


Meaning you'll see Cancer traits? Like Sun and 4th house will be similar to you experiencing them as Cancer like

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posted June 03, 2017 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes. In this instance, a key factor would be that the 4th (water) is a Karmic house,
Contacts here could be connected to the past
I can see how that is Moon-like.

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posted June 03, 2017 02:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How close is their Sun/Saturn to your IC?* I heard the IC is like the Moon point so if anyone's Sun, Moon or planets contact it, it feels like they are contacting your Moon. On top of that you have Capricorn Moon, so that would heighten the Sun-Moon connection. How close is your Moon to his Sun?

[*This is another aspect I have with my crush...I think I should just call it a day, lol, too many synchronicities.....]

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posted June 03, 2017 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Beautiful_Light:
How close is their Sun/Saturn to your IC?* I heard the IC is like the Moon point so if anyone's Sun, Moon or planets contact it, it feels like they are contacting your Moon. On top of that you have Capricorn Moon, so that would heighten the Sun-Moon connection. How close is your Moon to his Sun?

[*This is another aspect I have with my crush...I think I should just call it a day, lol, too many synchronicities.....]


Lol what is between you two aspect wise?

His Sun, Saturn, Jupiter, and Pluto are all in my 4th house. But only his Jupiter is Conjunct my IC by 3 Degrees (My IC is at 21 degrees Virgo...his Jupiter is at 24 degrees Virgo).

The Sun/Saturn Conjunction isn't close to my IC at all as it's in Libra. We do have my Sun/Mars (maybe Asc) Conjunct his Moon as well. As far as my Cap Moon to his Sun/Saturn it isn't at an orb for a Square. His is in early Libra, while my Moon is in late Cap. Our Suns are exactly Square...the funny thing again is his Sun is in Libra Conjunct Saturn in Libra...my Cancer Sun is in the 1st house...Libra's opposite is the 1st house of Aries...and Cancer's opposite is Cap which is ruled by Saturn.

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posted June 03, 2017 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good question.

My take is that your Moon in Cap feels safe with someone whom is restrained emotionally.

Cap moon can be such a rock for so many others. That it is nice to just rest easy in the presence of someone whom they can trust for a change.

The Sun-Saturn conjunction gives the impression of sturdiness and with it being in your 4th house, suggests that they may nurture your inner self and provide structure(Saturn) and warmth to it(Sun)

I dont think many people would be comfortable with someones Saturn in their 4th. But for Cap Moon, it may be very familiar.


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posted June 03, 2017 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 03, 2017 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stellia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great question... As a tangent, if IC can have a moon effect, can the MC have a sun effect? Or what energy would that carry? Saturn maybe?

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posted June 03, 2017 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is what I've been wondering too for example in synastry if your moon doesn't make an aspect to the other persons moon. Yet their moon falls in your 4th house. Would that be like having a moon/moon aspect?

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posted June 03, 2017 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a synastry topic. Moving it to Interpersonal Astrology.

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posted June 05, 2017 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GrlyGirl200:
Lol what is between you two aspect wise?

His Sun, Saturn, Jupiter, and Pluto are all in my 4th house. But only his Jupiter is Conjunct my IC by 3 Degrees (My IC is at 21 degrees Virgo...his Jupiter is at 24 degrees Virgo).

The Sun/Saturn Conjunction isn't close to my IC at all as it's in Libra. We do have my Sun/Mars (maybe Asc) Conjunct his Moon as well. As far as my Cap Moon to his Sun/Saturn it isn't at an orb for a Square. His is in early Libra, while my Moon is in late Cap. Our Suns are exactly Square...the funny thing again is his Sun is in Libra Conjunct Saturn in Libra...my Cancer Sun is in the 1st house...Libra's opposite is the 1st house of Aries...and Cancer's opposite is Cap which is ruled by Saturn.


His Sun/Saturn is conjunct my IC.

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posted June 05, 2017 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In a word 'no'.

Moon contacts are important and you will need them in synastry. The 4th House is great, angle contacts are wonderful, but an IC conjunction, though great and comforting and resonant won't have the emotional expression of Moon contacts.

In a natal chart it has more effect. The house your planets in will resonate with the connected sign. Moon in the 4th will function very well. I know a lot of people emphasise house overlays in synastry but I find it the least most important factor.

Now you say Jupiter conjunct your IC, that is lovely. I would think that explains the vibration a little, past life connections can be illustrated by the IC/MC axis sometimes. :-)

When you describe your similarities also, THAT is a huge thing!! You will automatically understand somebody with similar chart features. Remember the highest vibrational relationship are two individuals living lives in parallel. So parallel charts can be more of a soulmate indicator, where aspects can often show karma and areas you will force each other to work on yourselves.

Are you two romantically involved? Or considering being so? I have a nice feeling about your descriptions, but friendship should be the basis of every relationship (yes I am an aquarius haha!)

People overlook quintiles a little too much too. Do you two have any of those? Quintiles are a beautiful 'free' and very non-judgemental aspect pattern. If you or he have Moon quintiles to one another's planets I would not be surprised ;-)

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posted June 05, 2017 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by waxlobster:
In a word 'no'.

Moon contacts are important and you will need them in synastry. The 4th House is great, angle contacts are wonderful, but an IC conjunction, though great and comforting and resonant won't have the emotional expression of Moon contacts.

In a natal chart it has more effect. The house your planets in will resonate with the connected sign. Moon in the 4th will function very well. I know a lot of people emphasise house overlays in synastry but I find it the least most important factor.

Now you say Jupiter conjunct your IC, that is lovely. I would think that explains the vibration a little, past life connections can be illustrated by the IC/MC axis sometimes. :-)

When you describe your similarities also, THAT is a huge thing!! You will automatically understand somebody with similar chart features. Remember the highest vibrational relationship are two individuals living lives in parallel. So parallel charts can be more of a soulmate indicator, where aspects can often show karma and areas you will force each other to work on yourselves.

Are you two romantically involved? Or considering being so? I have a nice feeling about your descriptions, but friendship should be the basis of every relationship (yes I am an aquarius haha!)

People overlook quintiles a little too much too. Do you two have any of those? Quintiles are a beautiful 'free' and very non-judgemental aspect pattern. If you or he have Moon quintiles to one another's planets I would not be surprised ;-)



You're kinda freaking me out a little lol. We have a TON of similar chart and life features. I honestly thought it was me but nope we have it. I'll give you a few examples:

- He is a Libra Sun Conjunct Saturn
- I'm a 7th house Cap Moon Trine Venus and Sextile Saturn
- His Sun in Libra is Square my Cancer Sun
- My Sun is in the 1st house...Libra's opp is Aries...and Cancer's opp is Cap which is ruled by Saturn and Conjunct his Sun
- He is a Cancer Moon, and I'm a Cancer Asc/Sun/Mars (I know his Moon is def Conjunct my Sun and Mars and falls in my 1st)
- We have Square Mercuries - his in Scorpio mine in Leo (I have Mercury Square Pluto)
- Our Venuses are Square - his in Leo and mine in Taurus (his Venus is Square Uranus...mine is in the 11th house)
- His Mars is in Scorpio with a Conjunction to Uranus and Sextile to Jupiter
- My Mars is in Cancer in the 1st with an Inconjunct to both Uranus and Jupiter
- His Venus is in Leo...I'm a Cancer ASC Conjunct Sun and Mars in the 1st and Leo Mercury...I def come off strong and Leo like
- His Venus in Leo...my Venus in the 11th (his opposite)
- His Mercury in Scorpio...my Mercury in the 2nd house (his opposite)
- His Venus in Leo Square Uranus and Scorpio Mars...my Mercury in Leo Square Pluto, Trine Uranus
- We both have Juno in Libra
- We both have loose Moon-Mars natal aspects (me the Opp and him the Trine)
- We both have Moon Square Pluto aspects
- We both have Moon/IC Uranus aspects (him a Trine from his Moon to Uranus...me a Square from Uranus to my IC)
- We both got Psychology undergrad degrees
- And finally we're both engaged and/or with Aquarius Sun partners that have Martian Moons. His fiancee is an Aquarius with Aries Moon, my bf is an Aquarius with Scorpio Moon


We met a few months ago and we are both in very serious relationships, and while nothing has happened I honestly think I met him for a reason. I met him at the gym and walked in and asked the instructor for help with adjusting a bike...I walked past him (in which he saw my face) but was focused on her and didn't pay any attention to anyone else. I was in the row behind him and didn't see his face, but literally I just kept staring at his back. I felt...not attraction but something else. Class ended and I said something in passing about how awesome it was to the person next to me. He heard and added that it really helps increase the endorphins, I went to the front to get material to clean my bike and saw that he was looking at me, he smiled...I smiled back and we've been friend like since (and yes I've been smitten since). I put the line in the sand and verbally decided friendship was best (even though it's obvious something is there), he's getting married next month. Plus we are both Venus-Uranus ruled people so I think it can work. I don't know about quintiles, but I do think on both sides the Moon is heavily aspected synastry wise.

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posted June 05, 2017 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sounds like a lovely connection, I'm disappointed he's getting married in truth. I feel there's something more here..

If you go to astro.com and choose the synastry charts, you can see the quintiles listed like "Q" or "bQ" in the grid. If you click top left "Additional tables (PDF)" you get the really good square synastry grid with all of the aspects listed. It's worth looking at, though I'm kind of hoping you guys *don't* have Moon aspects with one another, that way you will find it easier to stay 'just friends' if there's too much chemistry this may start to sizzle and you definitely don't want that if you're committed to others.

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posted June 05, 2017 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by waxlobster:
It sounds like a lovely connection, I'm disappointed he's getting married in truth. I feel there's something more here..

If you go to astro.com and choose the synastry charts, you can see the quintiles listed like "Q" or "bQ" in the grid. If you click top left "Additional tables (PDF)" you get the really good square synastry grid with all of the aspects listed. It's worth looking at, though I'm kind of hoping you guys *don't* have Moon aspects with one another, that way you will find it easier to stay 'just friends' if there's too much chemistry this may start to sizzle and you definitely don't want that if you're committed to others.


Oh, It's pretty obvious there is something between us (at least on my side...I have no idea how he feels...but my intuition tells me there is something on his side as well). We have:
- NN Chiron Conjunction
- Moon Pluto Square
- Mars Pluto Square
- DW Moon Mars (Conjunction and Sextile...seriously I've never wanted someone as badly as I have him)
- Mars Venus Opp
- Venus Uranus Opp (which we both need as he has the Square and I am an 11th house Venus...can't deal with routine lol)
- Mars/Uranus Vertex Conjunction
- Mars Saturn Conjunction
- Mars Sun Square (my Mars in the 1st to his Libra Sun)
- DW Venus Saturn (the Square and Trine. In the Square my Saturn in the 5th is Square his Leo Venus)
- Mars Jupiter Square (my Jupiter is in Aquarius but it's in the 8th house and his Scorpio Mars is Conjunct Uranus)
- DW Sun Jupiter (the Quintile and Trine)
- DW Moon Saturn (Trine both ways)
- Pluto Mercury Conjunction
- Mars Mars Trine
- Loose Moon Moon Opposition
- And depending on the time we have Moon Asc Conjunction
- I think we also have an Asc Asc Opposition

I have a nagging feeling he is a Cap Rising. One of the very first convo's we had was us talking about what he wants to do career wise. Plus before I knew about his details I had him pegged as a Leo Sun/Leo Mercury with Cap Moon, Cancer Venus, Libra Mars Conjunct Pluto. I was right about all the placements except the Cap Moon. I asked him how did he know his fiancee was "the one?" He replied that "the one" doesn't exist. I then asked why was he getting married and he said because they had been together long enough and get along.

Anyway I feel like he is my compliment in a lot of ways. It doesn't feel like the dreamy ...oh he's so sweet feeling that Moon-Venus feels like. But it just feels like we are meant to be partners. I'll admit I was bummed finding out he was getting married in July. We're friends but he barely mentions her, and as an 11th house Venus I feel that is approaching disloyalty. I also do try my very best to try to try to mention my SO to him. I will say he's a hard working genuine man. And even though I don't know him terribly well I do think his fiancee is very lucky.

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posted June 23, 2017 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do feel quiet intensely about someone, I just recently met, whose personal planets fall in my 4th house. His Venus and Mercury conj my IC, his sun and Mars are at the end of my 4th house. His Moon falls in my 12th! I feel intensely attracted to him, despite me being in a relationship with someone, whose "my type" in so many ways. Still the attraction to this other person came out of the blue. I feel knots in my stomach and heart, when I think about him! Maybe that's what 4th house overlays feel like.

Or is it Venus square NN?? I know we always hope for some cookbook explanation, I'm no different! Astrology is so exciting.. I'd love to be able to pin point what exactly is it, that makes me feel a certain way! But it's always a combination of all kinds of factors! I don't feel at home or attracted to every person, whose planets fall in my 4 th house! I never dated anyone so far, whose occupated my 4th house, and I still had/have relationships with people, who feel like home.

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