posted June 23, 2017 07:12 AM            

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Originally posted by ana_bee:
When it comes to aspects, i find it quiet hard to understand who is who sometimes.

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Ana, you're certainly not alone in this regard.

As to Venus-Saturn contacts, I was the Venus in several Saturn conjunct relationships. I chipped away at these relationships for several years. There were definitely sparks of interest on both sides, possibly even glowing embers at one time, but never the necessary oxygen to make real fire.

posted June 23, 2017 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
GrandFire,

how did Saturn act in your Venus Saturn conjunctions? Who loved more whom, and who was more commited?

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Orange, in both cases, Saturn acted cool, restrained, sometimes as if she couldn't care less. If I had wanted to jump off the roof of a tall building to prove my love, possibly she would have taken note, but probably nothing more. I, the male element in the relationships, was 15 or 16 years older than the female objects of my desires - opposite of the situation you might expect in a male-female Venus/Saturn connection.

Who loved the most? It's unlikely I'll ever know. Saturn might have cared more about me than what I realized. Communications were not all that great, and I was too young and inexperienced to appreciate the subtle signals that romance often emits.

However, in retrospect, I don't believe I made a mistake by moving on. After all, of what value is love if a cryptologist is required to decipher its presence?

Who was more committed? Lack of commitment was more characteristic of the relationships. I hasten to add that these go-nowhere encounters I've been trying to describe conjuncted natally in Sagittarius, a sign never noted for commitment.

Earlier this year I posted excerpts about Venus/Saturn aspects from Ronald Davison's excellent 1978 book, Synastry. LL's search engine is apparently not working here, so if you're interested I can post again. Everything Mr. Davison wrote about the difficult Venus/Saturn aspects fits my experience to the letter.

posted June 23, 2017 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by ana_bee:
So Saturn wants the commitment and Venus declines? I always thought that Saturn declines Venus' love..

It's a bit complicated in my current situation.. I'm in a serious relationship and before I met this "new" man (the one with this aspect) I used to be happy!!
I don't know what's wrong with me! My boyfriend is wonderful in every sense! I am really into him, and never thought of anyone else before..

Two weeks ago I met someone.. It's not even romantic.. we met through work, it was a very brief encounter.. But something happened! I can't stop thinking about this other man! He's not even my type ... There was nothing sexual about our meeting.. It's really something I absolutely can't explain! If I were single or in an unhappy relationship I might get the attraction.. It would probably be sort of an escape... But like I said.. I love my current boyfriend! I absolutely can't understand, how this random person can have such a strong effect on me! My body hurts.. That's how much I want to be near him! ( But there's no chance to meet for a coffee or anything else... He's basically never around! So there would be no casual meeting in the near future.. I'll try to look at this scientifically.. Maybe this encounter just showed me that nothing's set in stone, and although I am a very passionate and jealous person, I'm also someone whose feelings are rather fleeting. One moment I can burn with passion, but then lose interest just as quickly. It's quiet sad to realize that I cannot trust my own feelings. Btw I just saw that his Venus (which is squared by my Saturn also squares my Nodes! My Jupiter conj his SN. I don't have his exact birth time, so can't say anything about his angles)

@orange If you want to see our chart for other Saturn aspects etc... I posted it in another thread "transits and meeting special people"

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posted June 23, 2017 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
GF,

Yes, please, post the quotes from the book. The conjunction aspect, specifically.
Thanks for elaborating . I love reading your thoughts on different subjects, you have a way with words.
Are you Sun Moon Venus in Fire, hence your handle ?

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Orange, I'll get to it as soon as I have time. I'm wondering if there is any way of making permanent a thread or post on this forum, sometimes referred to as a "sticky." Maybe Randall can comment if he's around. I suspect Venus/Saturn would be of concern to many participants here.

posted June 23, 2017 07:56 PM            

Quoting Davison:

If the Venusian partner placs a high value on integrity and dependability, she will appreciate her Saturnian mate. This contact tends to favor the long term build-up of an affectionate link between two partners but of itself it is hardly a combination promising ecstasy.

The good aspects encourage loyalty but often Venus has to supply most of the affection, while Saturn, even if equally affectionate, may have difficulty in demonstrating his affection outwardly or may lack gentleness in expressing it, though he is likely to have a sober regard for the sterling merits of his partner.

Ptolemy speaks well of the conjunction as a combination promising happiness and constancy but it has been observed that on occasion, Saturn's apparent coldness can evoke in Venus such a feeling of restriction and of not being appreciated that the partnership may never flourish. Saturn may be tempted to demand too much from his partner.

It may sometimes happen, especially with the conjunction, that Venus has a great deal to learn from Saturn and when Venus is attracted to an older person, his greater experience may be the means of steadying the emotional responses of Venus and helping her to develop a sound all-round sense of values. Sometimes Venus will develop an affection for a Saturn person who for some reason does not return her love or whom she subsequently finds is inaccessible to her.

When the planets are in adverse aspect or either is debilitated, Saturn may in some way be the means of denying pleasures to the Venusian partner. The opposition can even prevent a friendship forming, but if other contacts bring two people together, a relationship may exist in which Saturn is prepared to sacrifice love for the sake of financial gain and to take everything Venus is prepared to give without making any noticeable return. Saturn's lack of consideration or constant neglect may eventually dampen the gaiety of Venus and exhaust the Venusian capacity for giving affection, while Saturn may consider it his duty to adhere to certain rigid principles of hehaviour that make no concession to his partner's special need for love and affection.

Saturn may try to discourage any excessive show of feeling from the partner, who consequently feels denied a natural outlet for her emotions. Venus is always the one who suffers more, though Saturn may feel ill-used by the less responsible or even frivolous attitude of his partner, who does not appreciate all the hard work being done to provide a firm foundation for the relationship.

Saturn may have to carry a good deal of the responsibility in such a partnership and while a good aspect between the two planets can signify a ready acceptance by Saturn of the burdens he may have to carry, the adverse aspects can bring about a situation where Saturn can begin to wonder whether it is all worth while and Venus feels discouraged by what seems to be undeserved criticism from her partner, perhaps associating him with outside circumstances that may cramp her style and limit her freedom.

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posted June 23, 2017 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Thank you so much, Fire man!

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posted June 27, 2017 11:00 AM            

This time he is Saturn and I am venus, I really have the weirdest thing with him and I swear if soulmates exist then he is it!!! I haven't even known him that long, I find myself really out of character sometimes in good ways. Really doing things that are really bold and extreme for me all the while loving the fact that he brings this out in me.

I am a little unsure at times, not that he makes me that way. I think for me it is situational, circustances and past toxic relationships that trigger a lot in me. Plus things are still new so I am thinking that I will calm down in time. Cancers, we need security.