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Lalafortunaea
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posted July 28, 2017 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, I hear that Saturn thrown into the mix with Mars - Pluto, it can make this restrictive. Is this true? How does it play out in your relationships.

I have this with someone: http://imgur.com/obWdUFF
(hopefully you can see it)

And well, I also know Saturn touching the DC can be binding, but does it take away from sexytimes, and get in the way of Mars and Pluto?

Thoughts?


added: I read this:
"Mars-Pluto aspects in synastry are viewed as aggressive and extremely volatile by various astrologers. And several have gone as far to say that Mars conjunct, square, or opposite Pluto is one of the most dangerous contacts a couple can have. It suggests the potential of abuse, rape and violence in a relationship."
(from here: http://theastrologyplacemembership.com/2012/01/mars-pluto-synastry/ )

What do you think of that as well?

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Lalafortunaea
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posted July 29, 2017 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bumpity bump bumparoo

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posted July 29, 2017 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrosaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this Natally, Saturn in my 7th house. I'm actually not too sure If that makes me the right person to answer this as some people say a natal aspect makes you used to that energy and others say it heightens it - I still don't know the answer.

I've experienced someones Saturn in my 7th and my Saturn in theirs (again maybe I'm just used this energy) and it didn't play out in a negative or restricted way we just felt that we were really committed, responsible and dedicated to eachother (I don't think it got in the way of sexytimes but you'd have to ask the other participant lol).

I haven't yet experienced Saturn conjunct Mars so I can't pass judgement. All I can say Is It's probably better than the square which unfortunately I have experienced plenty of times but can still work aslong as there's other peaceful/fun aspects. Do you have any venus or jupiter aspects with this person?

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posted July 29, 2017 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fionapineapple     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anything with outer planets like Saturn and Pluto tend to be karmic mainly because the two work with the subconscious drives of both ppl involved, Saturn in particular tends to restrict or give longevity depending on other factors but Saturn's bottom line in responsibility is being completely aware what goes on in the subconscious (Pluto drives it out with intensity either by attraction or repulsion or both at the same time to highlight the issue that needs your attention) Saturn wherever it is is saying I want to be completely aware so that u can take charge and be the authority over Your part in this relationship... be careful with theirs because Pluto might make u want to control others when really u can't. Take control of your role your emotions and thoughts no matter how it all plays out

Hope this helps or gives an aha moment lol

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posted July 30, 2017 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by astrosaz:
I have this Natally, Saturn in my 7th house. I'm actually not too sure If that makes me the right person to answer this as some people say a natal aspect makes you used to that energy and others say it heightens it - I still don't know the answer.

I've experienced someones Saturn in my 7th and my Saturn in theirs (again maybe I'm just used this energy) and it didn't play out in a negative or restricted way we just felt that we were really committed, responsible and dedicated to eachother (I don't think it got in the way of sexytimes but you'd have to ask the other participant lol).

I haven't yet experienced Saturn conjunct Mars so I can't pass judgement. All I can say Is It's probably better than the square which unfortunately I have experienced plenty of times but can still work aslong as there's other peaceful/fun aspects. Do you have any venus or jupiter aspects with this person?


Yeah, I see what you mean. There is a sense of commitment. Strangely enough, I didn't want to feel that at first, and I get the impression he didn't either, but, there it is! We're both used to being wild and free. On the decendent, I'd think it would have to do with their saturn feeling the need to commit to a relationship.

As for Jupiter, his conjuncts my Uranus, Sat, and Nep, trines my moon, and 1 house away from my pluto. My Jupiter is sextile his Mars, Sat and Pluto. Though, both of our individual Jupiters are in opposition, which I take to mean we're lucky in the things the other isn't, or we're interested in different types of fun, perhaps.

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posted July 30, 2017 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fionapineapple:
Anything with outer planets like Saturn and Pluto tend to be karmic mainly because the two work with the subconscious drives of both ppl involved, Saturn in particular tends to restrict or give longevity depending on other factors but Saturn's bottom line in responsibility is being completely aware what goes on in the subconscious (Pluto drives it out with intensity either by attraction or repulsion or both at the same time to highlight the issue that needs your attention) Saturn wherever it is is saying I want to be completely aware so that u can take charge and be the authority over Your part in this relationship... be careful with theirs because Pluto might make u want to control others when really u can't. Take control of your role your emotions and thoughts no matter how it all plays out

Hope this helps or gives an aha moment lol


Sort of, and I do sort of see what you're saying. But, when you say "Saturn wherever it is is saying I want to be completely aware so that u can take charge and be the authority over Your part in this relationship"
Do you mean Saturn being aware of HIS part, or aware of MY part?
And by being aware, by conjuncting the descendant, it would mean Saturn would want to be aware of their desire commit to the descendant?

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posted July 31, 2017 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Sort of, and I do sort of see what you're saying. But, when you say "Saturn wherever it is is saying I want to be completely aware so that u can take charge and be the authority over Your part in this relationship"
Do you mean Saturn being aware of HIS part, or aware of MY part?
And by being aware, by conjuncting the descendant, it would mean Saturn would want to be aware of their desire commit to the descendant?

I think she means taking responsibility in what the relationship means to you. And putting it out there in a serious way (or at least owning what it could be...ie it will never be a casual relationship). At least that's what I'm picking up.

I say this as I have a large amount of Saturn and Pluto synastry with a guy I'm super into but can't be with because I met him at the worst possible time to meet someone (literally months before his wedding). Anyway, I am aware what I would want from him if I and he were both available. And I've actually admitted that to him (that if he was single I would want something to happen between us). I don't know how our synastry with all of this is for him. He's an interesting case. He has both his Mars and Venus tied to Uranus (despite Mars being in Scorpio). The only Saturn like thing he has is a Conjunction of Saturn to his natal Sun in Libra (I actually have a Cap Moon in the 7th Trine Venus). I have Mars and Venus tied to Saturn. With my Mars Conjunct my Sun forming a Yod to Uranus and Jupiter. Another thing to notice is everything in our charts touch, and they aren't good placements. For instance his Sun and Moon are Square; my natal Sun/Asc/Mars is Conjunct his Moon but all of it is Square his Sun. My Moon is Opp his Moon, my Mer is Square his Mer, my Venus is Square his Ven and my Mars is Trine his Mars.

All and All I know there is karma and something there. I just don't know what (his Mars Uranus Conjunction is Conjunct my Vertex Saturn Conjunction).


Here is the Saturn and Pluto we have between us.

Saturn wise:

My Asc Square his Saturn (6 degrees)
My Moon Trine his Saturn (6 degrees)
My Mercury Sextile his Saturn (4 degrees)
My Venus Trine his Saturn (4 degrees)
My Neptune Square his Saturn (< 1 degree)
My Jupiter Sesquidandre his Saturn (< 1 degree)
My NN Sesquidandre his Saturn (< 1 degree)
My Uranus Quintile his Saturn (< 1 degree)

His Venus Square my Saturn (4 degrees)
His Mars Conjunct my Saturn (< 1 degree)
His Jupiter Sextile my Saturn (2.5 degrees)
His Uranus Conjunct my Saturn (1 degree)
His Chiron Opp my Saturn (4 degrees)
His NN Square my Saturn (2.5 degrees)

Pluto wise:

My Sun Square his Pluto (9 degrees)
My Moon Square his Pluto (3 degrees)
My Mars Square his Pluto (5 degrees)
My Jupiter Trine his Pluto (5 degrees)
My Venus Biquintile his Pluto (< 1 degree)
My Neptune Quintile his Pluto (1 degree)
My Chiron Trine his Pluto (9 degrees)
My MC Inconjunct his Pluto (Exact)

His Mercury Conjunct my Pluto (< 1 degree)
His Venus Sextile my Pluto (5 degrees)
His NN Quintile my Pluto (< 1 degree)

Composite wise:

Sun Sextile Saturn and Pluto
Moon Opp/Conjunct Saturn and Pluto (Moon is an Opp interpretation at Libra/Aries Moon between my Cap Moon and his Cancer Moon)

The funny thing to notice in terms of harsh placements he is Pluto and I'm Saturn.

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posted July 31, 2017 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fionapineapple     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Saturn person needs to become aware, both Pluto's are at work so whoever is Saturn will be the seer and needs to be aware of the subconscious/sexual drives at play or if there are any power struggles or intense reactions to each other to really see where things are coming from and take responsibility for there wants and needs in a healthy way, not try to control the other person or the relationship and really control any intense emotion or reaction you get from the chemistry

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