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Lalafortunaea
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posted August 10, 2017 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a theory. Hear me out.

Neptune is meant to be the higher octave of Venus - which means that Neptune should, theoretically, be seriously considered when looking at synastry between couples. Likewise, Uranus, which according to some, especially in vedic, is "born of the same womb" as Neptune, as they are both like the "weird siblings"/"made of similar stuff" (in a good way), so, Uranus, could be quite needed for understanding what kind of men we'll have/or want, or need in a relationship.

Together, Uranus and Neptune could be the real divine yin-yang of the zodiac, female/male, mother/father, psychic/scientist. One is the water bearer - giver of the "seed" of knowledge and light - the feminine, receptive, Pisces, swims in this water, and receives the downpour from Aquarius.

(some say Pisces is Jupiter. We can say they're both, but I'm using Neptune here cause it's more fitting).

Could we read Uranus in such a way as to indicate what kind of man we want, or how we express our "divine" masculinity, or what type of divine masculine traits we desire? And likewise, do the same with Neptune regarding divine femininity?

This is all a theory and I'm musing. Humor me and tell me what you think, and if you think it has merit based on your own relationship?

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posted August 10, 2017 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just read an article yesterday describing Saturn as the grown up Mars. I just wanted to toss that tidbit into your musings and theorizing. In our youth is is Mars/Venus (immature) contacts and in our advanced relationships it is Saturn/Neptune.

I found that extremely interesting regarding synastry and composite.

I still don't get Uranus and I have Venus conjunct Uranus in natal.

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posted August 10, 2017 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mystic Melody:
I just read an article yesterday describing Saturn as the grown up Mars. I just wanted to toss that tidbit into your musings and theorizing. In our youth is is Mars/Venus (immature) contacts and in our advanced relationships it is Saturn/Neptune.

I found that extremely interesting regarding synastry and composite.

I still don't get Uranus and I have Venus conjunct Uranus in natal.


Well, I do know that Pluto is supposed to be the higher expression of Mars already, so I'd have to take a look at that article. If you could find it, I'd appreciate it immensely.

While Saturn seems like a good choice, and the lore behind Saturn, being the "father" and all would go well, I feel that perhaps it is lacking in some ways.

Here's some of what I know of the outers:

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The personal planets, representing aspects of personality, are the planets that are visible in the sky. Saturn forms a natural boundary to the personal planets, which is in itself an interesting symbology since Saturn rules boundaries and limits, as well as the practical material world. The outer planets (Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) represent transformational forces – they transpersonalize our experiences and bring us into a greater connection with the Universal laws of spirit and metaphysics.

In this model, the principle of Saturn stands at the guardian of the gates and in order to elevate from the lower octave to the higher, the boundaries of the material world (Saturn) must be transcended.


So, Saturn would be like the "gateway" to divinity.

And in a way, it does explain why Saturn feels so binding, restricting - because it is like life itself, like being in the body, here, on earth, where we are bound.

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posted August 11, 2017 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your thoughts. I enjoyed reading them and find them valuable. I will check through my open tabs and see if I still have the article.

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posted August 11, 2017 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

"Saturn is a natural partner to the Moon, via the cardinal angles that define our charts. He is the ‘other’ end of the masculine/feminine divide. And this so-called glue does not work magically or automatically, because the Moon/Saturn, Cancer/Capricorn polarity is about nothing less than the development of conscious awareness—how do I bring my deepest self out into the world at large in a useful way? The Aries/Libra, Mars/Venus end of relationship is about attraction and the balancing of opposites. But the Cancer/Capricorn end of the cross can be a lot more intimate and a lot sexier, if the challenges are met.

This polarity is all about the way relationships allow us to see inside ourselves deeply and make us aware of our interior dynamics—usually in half the time it would take for us to figure it out on our own. The intimacy in allowing another to help us unfold our soul and spirit in the world is one of the great privileges of relationships.
The MC/IC Angle

The archetype of the young couple is represented in the chart by Aries/Libra, the traditional Mars and Venus. This is the way our natural angles behave, our First and Seventh Houses and what they represent—self and other. But the MC/IC is also a dynamic relationship angle. It represents a lot more than the mother and the father, or our home life versus our status in the world. The MC/IC also represents our sexual maturity.
Saturn: Grown-Up Mars

We all begin our childhoods being represented by the Moon, but as we mature, girls move into Venus, and boys move into Mars. And, in order to lead mature and fulfilling lives, we must expand again—women moving into the mature lunar phase, and men to Saturn (this is also why the Moon can be so sexually alive). Saturn is, in effect, a grown-up Mars. If we act spontaneously and instinctively, that action comes from Mars. If we are deliberate in our actions, if we consider them carefully, our actions belong to Saturn. While all of the cardinal signs initiate, Mars gets the fire going, but Saturn uses that fire in a conscious way to forge something useful, necessary, and permanent.
Saturn and Maturity

It’s not easy to move into Saturn—and Saturn is not the only measure of maturity, by any means. Saturn is often avoided because he can make us feel as though the endless potential of youth is being cut off—and it is, by time. We accept this as we get older: our lives have limits—we cannot be all things to all people."

~excerpt taken from article by Dawn Bodrogi
See full article in link below.

http://sasstrology.com/2012/09/saturn-as-relationship-glue-and-the-capacity-to-grow-up.html

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posted August 11, 2017 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I should have said Saturn/Moon in my first post on this page. Not Neptune. How interesting to look at from the angle of the axis'.

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posted August 21, 2017 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting theory!

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posted August 23, 2017 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have experienced Composite Moon opposite Venus squaring Neptune at the apex (release point) with two people including my ex who I still love and we dated over a decade ago. BTW I have moon in pisces quare neptune ruler of the 5H natally and both of these guys have their DC in PISCES and my ex also had moon in pisces square neptune and the new guy has moon square neptune LOL hahahaha...

My experience with Neptune in composite is very powerful. It makes you feel like your connection is out this world and transcends this world, time and space, it really feels like coming home and discovering a lost joy.

I have astral traveled with my ex several times and have had some really powerful vivid dreams with him and with current guy he dreams about me quite regularly and we both recollect dreaming of each other's eyes before we met.

Now I read Neptune leads to high ideals which are impossible to measure up to leading to a guarantee disappointment.

My experience with Neptune is more along the lines of unconditional love that is forever. I think it didn't work out with my ex bc we were too young and immature and we didn't handle well our connection, when we feel vulnerable and are young we often don't handle things ideally. Perhaps our ideals were too high when we were young and that was are demise but now in my 30s I am approaching this neptune tsquare honoring the true spirit of neptune and having no expectations, keeping in my mind my past mistakes and been very mindful and down to earth.

It helps to have saturn aspects to help ground the idealism of neptune. Like with the new guy our saturn trines and sextiles our AC and DC and our Nodes. With my ex I think saturn was a double edge sword conjuncting our AC and squaring our nodes, I think it been on our AC made us too critical of each other leading to fights (mars conjunct pluto) but the love was intense and deep and the connection will always be there.

I feel neptune leading to high ideals that can set you up for disappointment is more like a warning. You have to understand Neptune and manage it and if you do this the right way it can be a strength and something beautiful to cherish, a gift truly, the gift of a lifetime.

Neptune connections have tremendous potential to feel like a beautiful connection based on on unconditional love if both parties are mature and manage their expectations and if both parties know how to love unconditionally honoring the real spirit of Neptune. I feel it also has this effect that makes you want to be a better person, like having that person in your life makes you be the best version of you if other things in the composite and synastry support this such as nice Jupiter aspects ect...

I should add that Neptune conjuncted Agapenor in the composite with my ex and Neptune conjuncts Amor in the composite with current guy and both form a tsquare with Moon opposite Venus so Neptune is flavored by Amor and Agapenor which perhaps has influenced my experience and perception of Neptune.

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