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mir
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posted September 04, 2017 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read this;

""Bad luck with marriages? According to the astrologer C.E.O. Carter in An Encyclopedia of Psychological Astrology , if following degrees have Mars or Saturn, the person is likely to have problems with marriages: 8 degrees Aries and Libra, 25 degrees Virgo, and 19 and 27 degrees Leo and Aquarius. Wonder if anyone can confirm this?""

I have no other sources but I assume its said in Carter's Encyclopedia of Psychological Astrology.

So, I was a bit stunned as I have Mars at 19'31 Aqua and I'm definitely unable to fit any marriage (or relationship!?).

Do you know ANYONE with Saturn or Mars at these degrees? And how would you describe their "marriage luck".

@ it might be that I had to post this in 2.0.

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posted September 05, 2017 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eternalone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an interesting post.

I have checked data (Tropical)from my list of charts of people who are not married till date.Not all unmarried or bad marriage people have it in there charts but some do have it.The degrees are not exact but within the orb of 1-2 degrees.

First person has saturn at 26 degrees virgo.

Second one has mars 23 degrees leo.

Third person has saturn 28 degrees in leo.

Fourth person who has divorced once and second marriage is also very painful has saturn in mars 25 degrees leo.


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posted September 05, 2017 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrandFireT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One might expect such a prediction based on bad placements in or bad aspects to the 7th house or Venus, but the "bad marriage" indicators given by Carter almost seem random.

I wonder if Carter offered explanations?

He's got impressive credentials, if that means anything:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_E._O._Carter

Another old classic reference is Llewellyn George's book, "A to Z Horoscope Maker and Delineator."

He devotes three pages to marriage and a description of the marriage partner.

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posted September 05, 2017 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My natal Mars rising at 19Leo37. Two marriages: each ended in no-fault amicable divorce after 7 years. Currently seeking long term romantic domestic partnership, plus/minus legal marriage.

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posted September 05, 2017 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah love to hear that Comdoc ^.

Btw mine is idd badly aspected.. it's conjunct NN and this couple square my Moon (scorp aagh).

I suddenly also recall that those 19 deg Leo/Aqua are square the infamous heliocentric Mars nodes (especially bad for women, I once started a thread about it here, many years ago). Esp. Mars had a bad reputation when squaring it or conjunct/opp.

Thanks guys! Yea.. I also wondered how many degrees it might be off ..

A friend of mine has his Mars at 20'20 Aqua, he's 30 years old and not happy in fact with anything, neither with his girlfriend (having the key of his apartment). His Mars is square his Scorp-Sun.

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posted September 05, 2017 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eternalone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The cases i have talked in above post are all above 36 yrs to 41 yrs.All from indian famillies.In Indian society this age is considered too old for first marriages, such people will have very nomincal chance of getting married in there lifetime.

Also saturn is a slow moving planet so there are many people born during those particular degrees.

Complete chart study is must in these cases,but still this particular degrees also should taken into consideration as a very important point.

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posted September 05, 2017 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The degree has to be exact, right? I know that there are critical degrees and you can only count the exact number . For example, 29' is a critical degree but you dont count the 28' as being one nor the 0' , they have different vibrations.
I hopes so, coz my luv has his Mars at 7'34 Libra in a retrograde motion, so he is not crossing over the 8' but goes backwards...but still wondering if it counts

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posted September 05, 2017 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ interesting Orange (I guess your aries u talk about), my Mars is also retro natally (went direct 2011).

"IF" exactness must be there, I would definitely count 7'34.
1) closer to 8 than 7
2) I was taking the way sabian degrees are calculated; 1st degree of a sign = sabian 1 (0-1 deg) .. so the sabian for example 7 Leo falls between 6 and 7 Leo.

(And so I once discovered that my Sun - 7,25 Leo - carries the sabian of LEO 8)

@ Orange, you meant his NATAL mars? @ I looked and noticed a 7'54 natal mars with your guy!? Well, THAT would be a no-doubt case ey ;d


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Thanks for adding this Eternalone! (love your name ;d)

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posted September 05, 2017 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
I wonder if Carter offered explanations?

I wish I could have a look in that book.

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posted September 05, 2017 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah no, Mir
His Mars at 7'54 Libra is in the #7 sabian.
8 is different. 8 is any from 8 to 8.59

I think the author of the article you quoted based his view on the fixed star Vindemiatrix which is at 8'50 Libra and is supposed to signify the death of one's partner. It's called the widow's degree. I think that's what the author had in mind. The star's location has shifted to about 10' Libra at present but the original location was listed as 8'50 Libra. So that's where the tale of the 8' Libra / Aries comes from
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000758.html

Saturn conjunct Vindemiatrix – Cautious, thoughtful, reserved materialistic, hypocritical in religion, loss through speculation, success in business, secret difficulty with marriage partner.

Vindemiatrix Star – The Widow Maker

http://astrologyking.com/vindemiatrix-star/

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posted September 06, 2017 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Orange, so I would have Sabian Leo 7 for my 7'25 Sun, truly??

Man, I wasn't sure for a very while on HOW to see it.. at first I was so happy being a Leo 7 sabian you know... well, look at THAT "(LEO 7°): THE CONSTELLATIONS OF STARS SHINE BRILLIANTLY IN THE NIGHT SKY"

Who doesn't want to be that ^ haha?

And yea I was dissapointed to discover I wasn't a 7 but a 8!

BUT... now I have to reshape myself?

Ok, I'm not sure yet, I need proof.. I was so sure being an 8 finally and have Always looked at it that way.. for every degree.. what a discovery during this special full moon at 13 pisces/virgo~! .. do I have something at those degrees? Yea my progressed CONVERSED Moon at the moment! (13 pisces)

Tell me guys here, How have YOU looked at the sabian degrees?


Ok, so the fixed stars ....

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posted September 06, 2017 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Orange, I'm afraid I'm right.
This is exactly the way why I came to my conclusion of being an 8;

Cafe astro;

6-7 deg Leo
The Constellations Of Stars Shine Brilliantly In The Night Sky

7-8 deg Leo
A Communist Activist Spreading His Revolutionary Ideals


Or cafe astrology must be wrong.

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posted September 06, 2017 03:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mir
I dontknow...it could be that we round the fractions to the next whole number, eh? like 7.25 is rounded up to 8

butt..i just googled and the first website that talks about degrees says this, even thou not sure how reliable of information they provide, maybe they are confused as well:

"If your Sun is at 9 degrees 54 minutes in Sagittarius, you will read the 9-10 degree symbol that says: "A Theatrical Representation Of A Golden-Haired Goddess Of Opportunity".
http://www.astrodreamadvisor.com/Sabian_Symbols.html

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posted September 06, 2017 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I dontknow...it could be that we round the fractions to the next whole number, eh? like 7.25 is rounded up to 8

Yes, well the logical thing behind that is that any sign starts with 1, so Sabian Aries 1, or Taurus Sabian 1 etc. As it doesn't start wit 0/zero, it HAS to cover the 0-1 of a sign.

Your catched link is exactly what all other sabian sites say.


""PHASE 250 (SAGITTARIUS 10°): A THEATRICAL REPRESENTATION OF A GOLDEN-HAIRED GODDESS OF OPPORTUNITY.""

(^just using "10 Sag", here it's assumed we all know 9-10 is meant)

(^ site:mindfire.ca}

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Cafe astro;

""9-10 deg Sagittarius

A Theatrical Representation Of A Golden-Haired Goddess Of Opportuinity""


So, after all I was right

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