posted December 07, 2017 08:39 PM            

Is it a combination of the hard Mercury/Saturn (DW) aspects, Mercury/square mars (DW) and the lack of positive aspects between us that makes being near her so troublesome to me?

You’d think I’d like her considering the fact that we have sun trine sun, her sun on my ascendant, Venus/Neptune (DW) my Moon trine her Venus..

I’ve noticed that the composite moon is strongly afflicted.. maybe that explains the up-down feelings?

Too much going on..

She’s outside, I’m inside.

Synastry:

posted May 01, 2019 07:01 PM            

Her Saturn sits on your Merc/Sun/Mars by conjunction. You may feel like she "looks" for ways to undermine you.

Her Saturn sits on your Asc by trine. You are a lot less "yourself" in her presence.She feels "heavy" to you.

Her Asc widely squares your Moon.She opens your emotional centre.You get all "in your feelings" with her and its hard to be restrained.

Her North node squares your Asc.Slight discomfort here.Even the conjunction can come with tension.

Her Asc semi-sextiles your Venus.You find it awkward to relate to her socially or integrate her into your social circle

Her Asc squares your Saturn. She breaks all the rules of social decorum or relatedness(your rules) i.e she can be "offensive" to you.

Her Sun conj your Asc and contrary to popular belief, conjunctions between Nodes and Asc,Moon and Asc or Sun and Asc etc. can confront the Node/planet person "head on" with the Asc person.

Whether they like each other or not could be a hit or miss as they are "competing" on a common turf.Both showing skills in related areas.So its not all camaraderie.

Someone has to "bend".And its usually the Asc person (provided there are no additional planets in 1st house) who has to do that.

I have Sun conj Asc(me) with a mate.I find I have to "bend" or remove myself from ego clashes between us. As we are both blessed with Aries(Martial energy) in each respective point.There is some competition on the same turf

Luckily I have no planets in house 1 and so its not that combative at all. However I have plenty in 7th and 9th.

I think in your chart there are sensitivities already that others(she being an example) can irritate.

Your Moon in Virgo widely squares Asc in Sag. You are your own worst critic and can project this externally as feeling "unsupported".

Add to that Mars/Sun/Merc opp North node/Chiron widely conjunct Mc in the 10th-you are known(Mc) to get very defensive and fly off the handle at times or react in a surprisingly aggressive way.

You can feel "attacked"(Aries planets oppose your Lib planets) by others due to a heightened sensitivity to aggression. But ironically behave very aggressively yourself(Libra planets tend to "mirror" what they get)

So people who often come across "ad hoc" or insensitive to you grate on your sense of fair play(Libra) which gets you feeling wounded(Chiron) then you reflect back what you got.

This person in question has their Saturn opp your Chiron/N.node in Libra.Ouch!!She is dealing with her own difficult Saturn/Mars/Venus square interaction.So she is quite self conscious and feels like she has a lot to prove( her abilities and self worth)

Add to that the mutual reception of Mars in Cap she has with Saturn in Aries and Venus interacting with Libra Mc, she come across very "oppressive" to you. Not to mention "grating".

Her "gung ho" Moon/Jupiter in uncorporative Aqua helps little to quell the fears of your nervous "i need to be the best at what I do " Moon in Virgo opposed by insecure Saturn in self-doubting "its all just too much" Pisces.

posted May 01, 2019 10:49 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
you took down the composite, but I was really surprised you don't get along as the composite had a sextile/trine pattern that usually shows exceptional compatibility.
todd

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Thank you for your insight todd. I reuploaded the composite/Davison.

posted May 01, 2019 11:05 PM            

Then here comes this person who places her Sun on your ASC, maybe she has a way of stealing your shine just by being herself?

Plus your happy-go-lucky Aries Sun gets a bucket of cold ice water thrown on it whenever you're just being yourself via her dour Saturn in Aries, a sign that's in its fall and doesn't operate to the best of its ability

Other than that the synastry and composite does point to being friends.. though that Mars/Mercury square does cause snags in communication and maybe cultivate an ambiance of alpha female territorialness.

I experienced something like this recently though I have worse synastry/a composite with someone. I very much felt about her what you feel for this girl (negative, she ruins the energy of a room we were both in, I felt like ((more like she WAS)) actively out to get me, etc)

I read this book called How To Make Friends And Influence People. It's an old book that illustrates how when you kill someone with kindness, they warm up to you naturally. When everyone else likes you too, they'll feel like an idiot for disliking you, and you can change the tides with this behavior. Having a healthy work environment is conductive towards having a healthier life.

Just always be sunny, every time she throws a passive aggressive remark your way just lighten the conversation with a joke or cheerfully change the subject, never talk smack about her to others, try and change your thinking when it comes to this person. Try and create some compassion even if you think you can see right through her. She is younger than you so she's probably more immature in the way that a lot of younger kids are.

posted May 01, 2019 11:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Discomfort for me is Sat/Ura in harsh aspect to Sun/ Ven/Moo/Mars/Mer.Even a conjunction with Saturn can feel unsettling.

Yes, me too. I especially dislike Mercury/Saturn or Mars/Saturn aspects for some reason.

Her Saturn sits on your Merc/Sun/Mars by conjunction. You may feel like she "looks" for ways to undermine you.

I like how you mentioned that. Sometimes at work she will collect the things in my area and put them back in their designated spots before I get a chance to. I used to think that she was being helpful, but I think she just wants me to look messy.

Her Saturn sits on your Asc by trine. You are a lot less "yourself" in her presence.She feels "heavy" to you.

I definitely feel a lot more tense at work when she is there compared to when she isn't. I want to say I can almost "feel" her around me. But, maybe that's just projection.

Her Asc widely squares your Moon.She opens your emotional centre.You get all "in your feelings" with her and its hard to be restrained.

I feel a lot more emotional when she is around, that's for sure.

Her North node squares your Asc.Slight discomfort here.Even the conjunction can come with tension.

I feel uncomfortable around her now. It wasn't always that way, but this last year has been pretty bad. I feel hypersensitive towards her.

Her Asc semi-sextiles your Venus.You find it awkward to relate to her socially or integrate her into your social circle

this is true, I don't think we have anything in common.

Her Asc squares your Saturn. She breaks all the rules of social decorum or relatedness(your rules) i.e she can be "offensive" to you.

She will do certain things that I find troubling sometimes, but I don't think she does it on purpose. It still bothers me, though.

Her Sun conj your Asc and contrary to popular belief, conjunctions between Nodes and Asc,Moon and Asc or Sun and Asc etc. can confront the Node/planet person "head on" with the Asc person.

Whether they like each other or not could be a hit or miss as they are "competing" on a common turf.Both showing skills in related areas.So its not all camaraderie.

Someone has to "bend".And its usually the Asc person (provided there are no additional planets in 1st house) who has to do that.

I have Sun conj Asc(me) with a mate.I find I have to "bend" or remove myself from ego clashes between us. As we are both blessed with Aries(Martial energy) in each respective point.There is some competition on the same turf

Luckily I have no planets in house 1 and so its not that combative at all. However I have plenty in 7th and 9th.

This is very true, which is a bit upsetting to me. I usually love Sagittarians at first, they are so fun, and can be easy to get along with. But there's a darker side to them that I wish I couldn't see. They have the potential to heal and hurt with the same intensity.

I think in your chart there are sensitivities already that others(she being an example) can irritate.

Your Moon in Virgo widely squares Asc in Sag. You are your own worst critic and can project this externally as feeling "unsupported".

Add to that Mars/Sun/Merc opp North node/Chiron widely conjunct Mc in the 10th-you are known(Mc) to get very defensive and fly off the handle at times or react in a surprisingly aggressive way.

You can feel "attacked"(Aries planets oppose your Lib planets) by others due to a heightened sensitivity to aggression. But ironically behave very aggressively yourself(Libra planets tend to "mirror" what they get)

So people who often come across "ad hoc" or insensitive to you grate on your sense of fair play(Libra) which gets you feeling wounded(Chiron) then you reflect back what you got.

This person in question has their Saturn opp your Chiron/N.node in Libra.Ouch!!She is dealing with her own difficult Saturn/Mars/Venus square interaction.So she is quite self conscious and feels like she has a lot to prove( her abilities and self worth)

Add to that the mutual reception of Mars in Cap she has with Saturn in Aries and Venus interacting with Libra Mc, she come across very "oppressive" to you. Not to mention "grating".

Her "gung ho" Moon/Jupiter in uncorporative Aqua helps little to quell the fears of your nervous "i need to be the best at what I do " Moon in Virgo opposed by insecure Saturn in self-doubting "its all just too much" Pisces.

I've definitely had a lot of emotional ups/downs with this job in the last few years. Working in retail is crappy, but it's even harder when you are someone who lets other people's bad moods influence yours, which I have a tendency to do. I think she does as well, and being so sensitive to her moods, I guess we sort of clash at times because of this.

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posted May 01, 2019 11:33 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
My thought is that your Sun is exalted in Aries, plus you have a Sagittarius rising. You're probably a sociable person who is often the belle of the ball in whatever environment you're in.

Then here comes this person who places her Sun on your ASC, maybe she has a way of stealing your shine just by being herself?

I'm actually a pretty passive and introverted person by nature. I'm not out for the lime light , I actually prefer to be in the background. But, I think she might expect me to be a bit more outgoing, hence why we clash more than we should.

Plus your happy-go-lucky Aries Sun gets a bucket of cold ice water thrown on it whenever you're just being yourself via her dour Saturn in Aries, a sign that's in its fall and doesn't operate to the best of its ability

Yes, I can feel my good moods dwindle a bit whenever I see her.. maybe I'm anticipating it a little too much.

Other than that the synastry and composite does point to being friends.. though that Mars/Mercury square does cause snags in communication and maybe cultivate an ambiance of alpha female territorialness.

She has said some minor things to upset, and I believe they were said with the intention to upset me. I don't want to even think about what has been said while I wasn't there.

I experienced something like this recently though I have worse synastry/a composite with someone. I very much felt about her what you feel for this girl (negative, she ruins the energy of a room we were both in, I felt like ((more like she WAS)) actively out to get me, etc)

I feel the same way with this girl. I want to like her, but I just feel that there is a shady undertone to her whenever I'm around. She has a tendency to do things to instigate a reaction from me.

I read this book called How To Make Friends And Influence People. It's an old book that illustrates how when you kill someone with kindness, they warm up to you naturally. When everyone else likes you too, they'll feel like an idiot for disliking you, and you can change the tides with this behavior. Having a healthy work environment is conductive towards having a healthier life.

Thank you for the book recommendation, when I get more time on my hands I will definitely give it a read. Retail sucks, but it sucks even more working with people you just don't mesh very well with.

Just always be sunny, every time she throws a passive aggressive remark your way just lighten the conversation with a joke or cheerfully change the subject, never talk smack about her to others, try and change your thinking when it comes to this person. Try and create some compassion even if you think you can see right through her. She is younger than you so she's probably more immature in the way that a lot of younger kids are.

To be honest, I can't blame her completely, she’s not going around talking to herself. There are people at my work, who have kids my/our age, and they still partake in gossip. Even the bosses/managers will stand around and run their mouths with the employees! Now that's something I never thought I'd experience.

The composite/synastry shows a lot of good potential, you just have to put your best foot forward and try to control your energy to the best of your ability with some social strategy

This is nice to know, I hope that one day we can at least be cordial with one another. She seems like a fun girl, she has a lot of potential to be great/kind, I just wish she would utilize her good side a bit more.

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posted May 02, 2019 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
HAHAHA
my mistake . I interpreted the davison composite. This is a good example of why the davisons are inaccurate or in this case useless...remember I sai I was totally surprised that you didn't get along because the sextile/trine pattern is always associated with very favorable relationships in a composite. the davison has that pattern,sextiles/trines with a opposition tying it together. well that is not the dynamic of your chart with her.

the midpoint composite took me 2 minutes to see the problem.... the sun/moon midpoint is square to Saturn. the sun and moon make up a majority of the "energy" in a chart, so for them to be square to Saturn shows you and she will always get in each others way and always have issues.in a composite the moon/sun ,midpoint square to Saturn is a game breaker even if there are other favorable aspects.
todd

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posted May 03, 2019 03:36 AM            

Retail therapy is very challenging. Had a Sun in Aqua/Moon in Pisces/Asc in Cap work there for many years. It drained him considerably.

So hostile coworkers can makr things worse. As I always say that since I spend 90% of my time at work,it should atleast be a pleasant environment.

For me, 6th house is what we do from a ground "work" level and mundane state.How we tackle work and the environment on a real time basis.

Mc/10th is the reputation we have or atleast the "wake" we leave behind as a result of our long stay in one place.

2nd house is our sense of physical security and what we value. The longer we stay at a job, the more dependent we get on it i.e the lifestyle we afford.

So sometimes we stay on a job based on that rather than "enjoyment". 2nd house is the security a job provides or how "comfortable" we are in it.

You have Neptune/Uranus in 2nd and in Capricorn. In many ways you are quite realistic and professional about what you need to do survive or make money. Neptune and Uranus both tend to be changeable and inconsistent.But not when in Saturn ruled steady Cap. You suck it up(even when its nejther ideal(Ne) nor all that interesting(Uranus)

Venus in Taurus in the 6th house opposite Pluto is also a strong indicator of difficulty in relationships. Or being assigned(by default) the role of "peacemaker" at work where you sort our squabbles and have to deal with interpersonal relationships a lot.

Taurus on Venus is in its domicile so I wonder if you infuse a lot of creativity with your work or are in an environment that allows that? Perhaps you lean more towards the decor/ home department where there is more creativity involved. There is creative talent here.

Pluto on Venus in 6th also points to health and well-being as an issue. There are difficult situations at work or even power struggles with coworkers/management that surface very strong feelings in you.

You may be invasive with others at work but resent the same being done to you. You definitely want absolute freedom(Pluto in Sag) and autonomy with what you do which can be hard if your work involves answering to others.

I have said a lot about the Mc in Libra previously. But to reiterate, I do see that the maintenance of peace and order is of a high priority to you. But not always possible as Mars in Aries opposes it. And the ruler.(Venus) also enjoys an opposition with Pluto.

So rather, there is a general consensus of "fighting to get along" or fighting with people you need to be able to relate to etc.

posted May 03, 2019 09:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@LaceyLeigh

Retail therapy is very challenging. Had a Sun in Aqua/Moon in Pisces/Asc in Cap work there for many years. It drained him considerably.

Yes, it is extremely draining, some days I dread going into work. Sometimes I think about driving off and never going back while I’m on my break.

So hostile coworkers can makr things worse. As I always say that since I spend 90% of my time at work,it should atleast be a pleasant environment.

It’s bad enough when the customers are hostile, but to work in a place where you don’t get along with your coworkers either is just awful.

For me, 6th house is what we do from a ground "work" level and mundane state.How we tackle work and the environment on a real time basis.

Yes, the 6th house is supposedly ruled by Virgo, which is where my moon is trining my Venus, so I am definitely a fan of low key, behind the scenes, boring work.

Mc/10th is the reputation we have or atleast the "wake" we leave behind as a result of our long stay in one place.

Interesting, I sometimes wonder if my MC is closer to Virgo making a tighter opposition to my Saturn because work/being out in public always seems to be a bit of a sore spot for me.

2nd house is our sense of physical security and what we value. The longer we stay at a job, the more dependent we get on it i.e the lifestyle we afford.

So sometimes we stay on a job based on that rather than "enjoyment". 2nd house is the security a job provides or how "comfortable" we are in it.

I would have quit years ago if I wasn’t worried about what they might say once I was gone. I also work with a family member of mine and they are always telling me how I shouldn’t quit, I also need to pay my way through undergrad.

You have Neptune/Uranus in 2nd and in Capricorn. In many ways you are quite realistic and professional about what you need to do survive or make money. Neptune and Uranus both tend to be changeable and inconsistent.But not when in Saturn ruled steady Cap. You suck it up(even when its nejther ideal(Ne) nor all that interesting(Uranus)

Money comes and goes quite easily with me. I have thought about leaving my job many times, just walking off and never going back. But I worry about my own reputation. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a bit spiteful as well. If I feel like someone is trying to get rid of me on the low, I will dig my heels in and tough it out.

Venus in Taurus in the 6th house opposite Pluto is also a strong indicator of difficulty in relationships. Or being assigned(by default) the role of "peacemaker" at work where you sort our squabbles and have to deal with interpersonal relationships a lot.

I’ve read so many descriptions about Venus in the 6th house indicating a peaceful work environment, your coworkers loving you, affairs in the workplace, etc. but I just couldn’t relate. I hardly talk to any of my coworkers and I certainly wouldn’t date any of them. But, this is my first job.

Taurus on Venus is in its domicile so I wonder if you infuse a lot of creativity with your work or are in an environment that allows that? Perhaps you lean more towards the decor/ home department where there is more creativity involved. There is creative talent here.

I’m currently a cashier, but was prompted to be moved into the clothing department about a week ago. So my fingers are crossed that this change will be good for all of us.

Pluto on Venus in 6th also points to health and well-being as an issue. There are difficult situations at work or even power struggles with coworkers/management that surface very strong feelings in you.

This is true. I don’t like my manager because I feel like she lacks professionalism. She makes fun of people, sits around and talks about them, but takes on the role of a professional.. a manager.

You may be invasive with others at work but resent the same being done to you. You definitely want absolute freedom(Pluto in Sag) and autonomy with what you do which can be hard if your work involves answering to others.

I’m very introverted by nature, even at work. I think people are thrown off by this as I am a young woman in customer service. I am not mean however, I will speak when I am spoken to.. but I’m not good at carrying on a conversation past “hello, how are you, good”.

I have said a lot about the Mc in Libra previously. But to reiterate, I do see that the maintenance of peace and order is of a high priority to you. But not always possible as Mars in Aries opposes it. And the ruler.(Venus) also enjoys an opposition with Pluto.

So rather, there is a general consensus of "fighting to get along" or fighting with people you need to be able to relate to etc.

I would love to be able to just come to work, do my job and then go home. No issues, no fighting, just work.

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posted May 05, 2019 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
The ToB probably isn't accurate, but that composite moon and the squares it's making on top of the conjunction to pluto are rather telling. The square between mars and pluto also spell doom.

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