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AriesLilith
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posted December 08, 2017 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys, recently i have been reflecting about unconscious patterns and relationships in family. Besides family I’m also trying to reach a better understanding. I guess that going through Pluto square transits digs out many things I didn’t know was there but at least it can help me grow and heal.

So long story short, due to some recent situation with my family, I’m trying to figure out some family dynamics. I feel that I might not fully grasp these dynamics, so I wonder if you can help me see better?

The following images are the composites between me and my mother, and my brother and my mother.
Things were quite difficult during childhood, specially for my brother, because I lived a lot with my grandparents. Our mother had issues and she neglected and hurt us in the past, but now things are better even thought there are issues remaining.

Thank you.

Me and our mother:

My brother and our mother:

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Randall
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posted December 09, 2017 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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todd
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posted December 09, 2017 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi AriesLilith
the first aspect ythat pertains to your question is that the moon froms a 3/20 harmonic with the venus/chiron conjunction. this shows the relationship between you(venus) and your mom(moon) to be contentious because this aspect.though a minor aspect,indicate a rather intense critical nature.thsi is an aspect of criticism about petty things.this aspect takes a very good and active communication. but otherwise and most usually ,iy=t show petty problems and constant harassment.as chiron is conjunct to venus this shows that you are a indepent spitit and like to go your own way .oftern ypou are attractd to "differenty peoples, efgy people.as such you were probably as easy target for your mom to criticize.
the midpoint od venus/chiron and the moon is conjunct to the mercury/sun conjunction. this conjunct is where you commmnujnicat you most heart felt opinions and ideas with each othwer. so here when you try to be open with each other, it usually becomes a time of arguments as you both have strong feeling and don't change them for anyone esily.so it is easy to see the history of dissension between you and your mom. this tension is increased because venus is opposed Uranus which shows that the minor criticsm between could easy mushroom into a large argument.

the mars/pluto opposition show that you are both very strong willed and don't compromise with the other very easily, whch would prolong any differences or arguments.

other aspects are actually somewhat favorable as Jupiter is conjunct to ceres and square the node and the moon/sun is conjunct to Jupiter . Jupiter is symbolic of grandparents so this show the care and benevolence that your grand parents have for you.
pluto is biquintile to the moon and the midpoint is square to the sun/Jupiter midpoint. this wouls indicate youe mother has/had emotion issue and that this was part of why she was not able to care for you adequately.
with the vertex conjunct to Neptune ,it is likely that she had a substance abuse problem that was cause by her under lying emotional issues.
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posted December 11, 2017 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi todd, once again thank you for the analysis. It’s always so amazingly spot on.

There has always been this strong criticism even for the pettiest thing indeed. It was very harsh during childhood and the words were very cruel. Physical punishment was used too. She had issues, her depression had a really bad phase and at time I had to be there for her. Our relationship eventually got better because she got better of her issues. Now we have a good relationship, although it’s good as long as there is nothing triggering. There is still criticism and I do often go on my way, sometimes I do listen to her but sometimes I don’t. When I don’t, sometimes I feel that she might get controlling through comments or even insisting actions. Sometimes I find it strange why the need to insist so much.

During my childhood I guess that what saved me from worse issues was to live with my grandparents and how I was kind of detached that extreme criticism didn’t hurt as much. My grandparents loved me and living with them was peaceful. There was never a moment of neglect nor hurt.

I don’t know why my parents sent me to live with them when my brother was born. It was a strange decision, although it was the best for me due to the dysfunctionality at home. My brother suffered all the effects and the recent issues in our family led me to think about all this. But I didn’t live together until teenager so I wanted to use astrology to see it.

What do you think of the chart between him and our mother? How do they affect each other?

Again, thank you for your time and patience.

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posted December 11, 2017 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi again AriesLilith

your brothers composite starts off quite negative as urnaus is square to satrun .this is an aspect of confrontations at best. I wonder too because with that aspect I would have expects your brother to have been "shipped" off to your grandparents too.
the Saturn/Uranus midpoint isconjunct to mars/mercury which tend to show arguments. it could show physical violence though either way it is very volatile. they simply butt heads on everything.

with the sun opposed to Neptune/mars and trine to pluto there is a surprising sensitivity between. this can be very nurturing and maybe why he remained. also ceres is square to mars/mercury which I would at first think showed strictness but ceres is conjunct thevertex on the ascendant which indicates that your mom has a strange feeling about your brother, like she felt a "karmic" tie to him which made her want him around.
in this vein with Neptune/mars opposed to the sun,one could wonder if there may be something about his parentage that is hidden. pure speculation but I wonder if he might be a half brother. the Uranus/Saturn square could support this idea.with the moon/Neptune midpoint opposed to Jupiter this idea gathers a bit of strength as it shows there is something she is misrepresenting to her grandparents about you brother.
the more I look at this chart for this perspective, more things jump out. Saturn is square the node and Uranus conjunct the south node. this would imply a separation from his father. if you parents are together at his birth, it could cast doubts on his parentage.
I have to ask, to you and your brother show similar physical characteristics?

venus is sextile to Jupiter which show she ha a generally good emotional feeling for him in spiter of the obvious conflicts of nature between them.

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posted December 11, 2017 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@todd, thank you again for the analysis.

My brother didn’t get shipped to our grandparents but I wish he did. I’m not sure why they didn’t, since he was actually left alone at home on many occasions when he was little because of my mother’s gambling addiction and my father was often away for work. This is probably one of the main reasons of his BPD traits. And probably this is the reason my mother felt guilty and in debt for him. She probably used the word “karmic” to describe it too. Now my mother becomes his listener and advisor whenever he has issues. It drains her but he listens to her and keeps him safe.

It’s interesting that in the other post you also mentioned that we might be half siblings. I’m curious about this, thought physically we do have many similarities. Can it mean something else that is hidden? Our father and mother married before my birth and are still together when he was born and in the present.
This is curious because I wonder if it also has to do with my brother not having lived with my grandparents as well. Why leave one to them and leave another alone?

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posted December 11, 2017 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also look at your progressed composite! There is an option for that too on astro.com

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posted December 12, 2017 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outofideas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was very interesting to read these analyses, Todd, what would be your take on the South Node conjunct Uranus, square Saturn (same as in the brother chart) but the midpoints of these conjunct the composite Ascendant and sextile to Juno?

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posted December 12, 2017 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by outofideas:
It was very interesting to read these analyses, Todd, what would be your take on the South Node conjunct Uranus, square Saturn (same as in the brother chart) but the midpoints of these conjunct the composite Ascendant and sextile to Juno?

these isolated aspect and geometry make me think of a bipolar disorder of some type. of course other placement could modify this a bit .the south node with Uranus show a strong astral input which can easily overwhelm the consciousness. He may powerful dream states and astral dreams are a certainty. the south node bring a lot of"karma" so it is likely that he has had mental issues .the Saturn square shows a abrupt personality and a life with many ups and down.
midpoints don't seem to operate as strongly with sextile and trines so it is not clear how juno sextile would manifest.
but speculating it might show opposition and then reconciliation wit the grand mother


but you know the entire chart needs to be considered because other planetary dynamics can change the ultimate outcome

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posted December 17, 2017 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, todd!

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posted December 18, 2017 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outofideas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by outofideas:
[b]It was very interesting to read these analyses, Todd, what would be your take on the South Node conjunct Uranus, square Saturn (same as in the brother chart) but the midpoints of these conjunct the composite Ascendant and sextile to Juno?


these isolated aspect and geometry make me think of a bipolar disorder of some type. of course other placement could modify this a bit .the south node with Uranus show a strong astral input which can easily overwhelm the consciousness. He may powerful dream states and astral dreams are a certainty. the south node bring a lot of"karma" so it is likely that he has had mental issues .the Saturn square shows a abrupt personality and a life with many ups and down.
midpoints don't seem to operate as strongly with sextile and trines so it is not clear how juno sextile would manifest.
but speculating it might show opposition and then reconciliation wit the grand mother


but you know the entire chart needs to be considered because other planetary dynamics can change the ultimate outcome

todd

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Many thanks for your response todd! What you say relates very well to what I've been coming across with a chart having similar aspects/patterns. In general it does seem like there a lot of abrupt ups and downs, ones that are mentally overwhelming due to the Uranus/south node conjunction.

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