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Selenite
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posted December 10, 2017 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
we have been together 2 years 3 months... long distance for the past 4 months.. about to move in together at the end of this month.. i'm a little nervous because i'm relocating across the country, what do you see about us living together?

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Randall
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posted December 11, 2017 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Selenite
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posted December 11, 2017 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanx c:

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waxlobster
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posted December 12, 2017 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You've got a yod as well as a kite; if you count South Node to Mercury & Uranus.

In synastry my first rule is 'the more aspects the better' although obviously it depends on the aspects, more is more for connections to last.. I would use the same kind of theory with composite personally.

Awaiting Todd's expert eye though... I think this chart is great! :-)

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todd
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posted December 12, 2017 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the kite is very favorable because there iis a grand trine which gives stability and a sextile which balances and gives creativity. grand trines are good but sometimes very boring to the degree that the partners become so used to each other that one may seek out more excitement in a new partner or affair.nothing but trines in a composite can lead to instability because the partners take each other for granted.

the added sextile is very helpful because this gives a creative and integrative impulse which has a renewing affect on the partners.

here sun/moon/mercury/mars give a emotional and mental stability with very compatible physical desires and experiences .

with uranus sextile to mars/mercury/sun and opposed to moon, the entire chart has a vibrant feel, vibrant emotions,good communication as well as interesting ideas and aspirations. the opoposition to the moon keeps the feelings new and alive so th epitfall of boredom will not be a problem. but these aspect are not by themselves romantic in nature.
my belief is that you must have a sponateous affection in the composite before one can expect a intimate relationship to develop, versus a good friendship.
here you have venus opposed to mercury and the sun. this is favorable as it shows a potential for a loving and joyous life together. but as a opposition these emotions must be "worked" o before you start to mesh... not always ,sometimes the opposition draws you together but ocassionally there is a initial feeling of separation.. so this is favorable .
the opposition is square to Lilith,though you need to use the true Lilith which is h13 at astro.com. but using what you have ,this shows the emotional attraction is spontaneous, that is you both feel the affection from your hearts.
the romantic feelings are very strong here because the eros/psychic midpoint is conjunct to the sun and mercury. this gives a idealistic,spititual attraction to the physical/emotional attraction and greatly increases the sponateous affection between you.strong psyche/eros usually give a "soulmate" feeling to some degree.
the romantic feeling are knock uop another notch by the psyche/descendant conjunction.strong psyche or eros connection do not usually define a relationship by themselves. that is you need to have favorable sun/venus/mars aspect/moon aspects also as you have here.
what is really interesting but which complicates the interpretation is that the vertex is conjunct the descendant and psyche.
the vertex on the descendant/ascendant axis(actually the vertex is also an axis)always brings a otherworldly or altered realtity feelings. some times it may be a de ja vue feeling,or sometimes it shows thatyou both have had very similar unusal cioincidences or experiences or feelings in your lives.often you find that both partners have experiences which they never thought anyone else would understand. and hence ths aspect gives th esoulmate feeling even stronger thab the former mention.
the vertex can also bring confusiong visions or emotional intensity that reflect some kind of larmic connection or destiny. but since the vertex bring otherworldly sensations, it does not always translate into a relationship as one would expect.sometimes but not always.
here with psyche conjunct the vertex, the etheric and "celestial" feeling or love can be overwhelming. so the kite pattern is very favorable because it potential to create a relationship with all these "unusual" energies and is good.
I also have find tha thard aspect, aspects that bode problems can negate even the strongest ethereal feelings of love. so the favorable kite does not insure a favorable relationship with hard aspects. there is a balance , one needs tension but not destructive tension to go along with the trines.

here the problematic aspect is chiron conjunct the south node and square to mars.
first off chiron /mars aspects usually shows that the partners are not the type of people that they are usually attracted to . there are differences that would usually not atrtract each other . often as this is ars they guy is a bit edgy, maybe a bit of an outsider who has his own distinctive patterns that don't fit in.
often mars/chiron square can show an insensitivity to others feeling.

chiron with the south node really amplifies these possible tensions because chirn brings a evry analytical but critical demeanor. *** show that there is a impulse to understand each other, a need to know what each other feels all the time and to know how each other ticks. when this is positive ,it brings a great intimacy but chiron can also bring a very judgmental attitude inot the relationship so that one partner may always be criticizing every little thing that think is amiss in the other.this can lead to very destructive argument s because the partner know both the strengths and weakness of each others personality.
so this is why this is complicated, it is very difficult to determine before hand if these dynamics will be good or bad.
they can ve very good or very bad.
so the kite formation is favorable because there is a inherent harmony between you to begin with and and any negative feeling will be obvious if they appear.

the n for continuity and commitment I look to Jupiter and juno aspects to venus /moon/sun/mars.

here Jupiter is square to psyche and/vertex and ascendant so there is a very strong subconscious and likely conscious desire to have a committed relationship. but as I have cautioned even though the vertex is square to Jupiter, bringing these feelings up, it is not clear whether commitment will be attained. jupiter is conjunct Saturn which can show a hesitation about commitment but over time it also consolidate the feelings of commitment.

with Neptune and pluto sextile and loosely part of the kite formation,there are energies of transformation, support and healing feelings.so the energies of working through differences and problems are there.

so I think this is very favorable over all but with the caveat that mars/chiron can show an abuse personality and someone who will want to control the other. often this aspect shows a person who can't accept love without giving back , back handed compliments or giving love with conditions instead of unconditionally.
so if this develops into a intimate personality, you at least can see the danger signals coming with would begin with incessant criticism and over fault finding tendencies.

as you have been together for quite awhile , I would think if these negative aspect exist then you wool have already felt them .

if you have any real concerns you might add some bells and whistles to the chart such as Sedna ,orcus,nessus,pallas,juno,ixion,ceres,

also named asteroids are very useful.

todd

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Selenite
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posted December 12, 2017 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow... everything, the nuances.. just wow. thank you Todd! what an awesome thing to read on my birthday

LOL - you really hit the nail on the head here:
"first off chiron /mars aspects usually shows that the partners are not the type of people that they are usually attracted to . there are differences that would usually not atrtract each other . often as this is ars they guy is a bit edgy, maybe a bit of an outsider who has his own distinctive patterns that don't fit in."

we are basically from different worlds. he has a grand earth trine and mine is in fire, his venus in gemini and mine in scorpio, he has no water and i have no air. and he’s very edgy outsider but me too i guess. i don’t know, does anyone really fit in?
and i think, had we met just a couple years prior, we would have hated each other on the spot. both of us are stubborn and extreme like that

and wow..
"chiron with the south node really amplifies these possible tensions because chirn brings a evry analytical but critical demeanor. *** show that there is a impulse to understand each other, a need to know what each other feels all the time and to know how each other ticks. when this is positive ,it brings a great intimacy but chiron can also bring a very judgmental attitude inot the relationship so that one partner may always be criticizing every little thing that think is amiss in the other.this can lead to very destructive argument s because the partner know both the strengths and weakness of each others personality. "

it's very true, and... it's more positive than negative, especially now. it was a problem for me in the beginning, as i had never encountered someone SO blunt. like, he loses friends because he’s too honest with them and it hurts their feelings. lol just no holding back

(to paint a picture, his moon is in Virgo, cONJuNCt my chiron in the 2nd house by the degree. and this also squares my sun / mercury. and his mars squares my moon.)
i myself have sort of razor sharp insight into his 'faults' but... i don't need to change them or anything, cuz i love him.

and yes, there was a lot of adjusting, 'working over,' which i think is what you're talking about with sun-mercury opposite venus. (and we have a lot of quincunx in synastry). but at this point, we know each other well enough to know what the other 'meant' to say. we speak the same language now. and for me personally, now that i know he is 'on my side,' his dryness and harshness doesn't hurt me like it used to. i kind of like it, actually, and have grown to dislike sugar coating anything anymore. but it would be different if he were like this AND with bad intentions. it's a fine line, really, and it took me a while to figure out. i'm not aware if he's had any similar issues with me so far o.0

i've totally always been confused about chiron on the SN / MC square mars, since it is blaring against the kite. so thanks for clearing that up for me
and transformation is correct, lots and lots of transformation going on, his Pluto is on my IC - Venus, and mine is opposite his Sun and sextile his Moon.. and there’s some more with Pluto I think.

we do take each other for granted sometimes, I’ve caught myself doing it, i’ve felt him doing it. i’m a little worried that it will happen too much once we live together, and we’re in our own world. but who knows, i think we care for what we have enough to catch ourselves.

here is the chart with those asteroids if you want to see. our names did not make it on the list..


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Selenite
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posted December 12, 2017 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
also what you say about psyche / vertex is intriguing because i've always had the feeling that we have known each other in the past (past lives?), but couldn't be together because it would be unacceptable, and now in this life we can FINALLY be together. i told him this and he called me crazy.
his eros is on my psyche which is also my sun-moon midpoint, and we have some vertex-ASC going on.

also, something werid!!
so before we met, i did a spell on the supermoon of september 2015 I think. the spell was for meeting someone, and i charged it under the moon. then i heard voices (!) telling me to go to a specific place and the person would be there! so i tried to go for 3 days, and it didn't work for various reasons. but on the 3rd day, i got there, rang the bell, and he was the only person there! i will never forget walking up the stairs and making eye contact with him in that moment... like everything switched. then i ended up getting a job there and that place became very significant to me, like a second home.
anyway i kept the water from the spell in a jar, and charged it under a new moon with him present, 6 months later (he still thinks i'm crazy). and then when he left on this past august eclipse, i charged the same water under that eclipse.

and another weird thing!
i guessed his birthday after we met... and i was 2 days off! i thought it was may 16th 1986, and it is may 18th 1986. ?¿

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todd
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posted December 12, 2017 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yea thats the type of dynamics the vertex on the ascendant can bring.it seems the addition of the love of psyche added to the vertex focus is shown by the romantic nature of your spell,,,,,very cooool and supernatural.
most times vertex axis conjunct ascendant axis are not as coherent as your experience.it does seem to have past life connection

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todd
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posted December 12, 2017 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sedna opposed to mars and square the node is very favorable, that shows his intentions are "noble" and coherent. I mean he won't use his Chiron edge to manipulate you but only to bring out truth even if the edge is sharp.
but orcus forming a tsquare does show he unresolved issues from a previous relationship that till "chins" him. this can show that if he is over harsh or inconsiderate it my be residual feelings from the old relationships or childhood issues.often Sedna square orcus shows emotional feeling that are being held back not became of the present relationship but from former one as I mentioned already.

cers conjunct to venus gives a very suppor=tive and nurturing quality to your affection but ixion is also squre to ceres which implies that sometimes he can't accept such positive support because it seems he has done some dark things that he regrets still and these can make him feel unworthy of your unconditional support.
nessus is square to uranus and the midpoint is conjunct to ixion. this is kind of a gang thing, meaning he my have been involved with organized maliciousness at one point.this can be a lethal square so he might have left that part of his life after a near miss or because of remorse for some actions he took.

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Selenite
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posted December 13, 2017 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your input again. I do believe we have both brought baggage into the relationship, and I think what you said about One of us feeling undeserving because of a dark past, is actually about me. Coming out of an abusive relationship (and being used to the dynamic, always expecting the person to 'switch' from wonderful to hurtful) I had a difficult time trusting that he wasn't going to switch, cross my boundaries, disrespect me eventually, and it used to mess with my head so much that if he said something the wrong way, i would think it was intentional and he was 'switching,' and it would keep me up at night trying to determine if this was the case, while we slept next to each other. So i would have to leave the room while he slept, to get away and think about it, and he would wake up and realize i wasnt there, come out and ask me if something was wrong, and i would stupidly explain that i thought he might have meant to hurt me and he would explain that it was not the case.

But just the way he took me seriously each time, and actually talked to me about it, was SO different from anything i'd ever experienced that i couldn't believe it, that someone i thought was so cool was also not an abusive jekyl and hyde type. I seriously couldnt believe that someone like him could exist, and that if he did, then why would he want me? as i felt worthless from sexual abuse and unhealthy dynamics my whole life. this type of thinking went on for a long time, but it turned into healing, and now i dont take crap from anyone and i don't need to justify myself. I also tried to keep most of it to myself because it seemed like a burden to place on a new lover.

And for that last part.. I think it's also about me, because my past is way darker, lol. I had severe drug addictions from ages 15 to 20, involved with super crazy people, and left it all behind right before i did that spell. To dedicate my life to art, and meet someone to make art with.

It's funny when we first met, i would tell him all these insane stories, sort of to subconsciously see if it would drive him away, if he knew everything about me. It didn't drive him away but he would get really quiet, sad i guess to hear about the way i treated my life at times, and say it was hard to reconcile the stories with the person in front of him, like he was expecting me to go back to those ways and disappoint him. There was a lot of uncertainty at first but we could not stop being together

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