posted January 02, 2018 04:22 PM            

I see want yo mean about the communication. sun/mercury conjunction is sextile to the Jupiter/chiron conjunction. this shows the unending interest you conversations bring.and very erudite,,,you both have broad understandings of social and cultural patterns and at the same time understand how the individual is affected by these higher patterns.then with chiron the analytical and cticial edges is sharpened.uoi and he give each other insights that you migt not have considered ,yet fit perfectly with your established iseas. urnaus is loosely opposed to chiron and juptier which adds theoretical insights and shows a common foreward looking
minds. this tends to show you both a extremely intelligent and you might have opposing views, but with the sextile pattern it shows the possibility tha tany differentness will be reconciled as you each give you take on "conflicting" issues.

chiron always adds a quirky or eccentric take on things which insures novel understandings will continue to arise .

the emotional feelings are not quite as strong as the menatal connection.
the sun/moon midpoint is square to juno which does show a underlying interest in a realtioship,but it may just show the friendship,but with the mars/venus midpoint conjunct to the moon, there is clearly a romantic interest here.

the Jupiter/juno midpoint is square to the vertex which strongly accentuates the feeling of a serious relationship. Though this aspect is quite energetic, it is still not a aspect that will create union on it's own.

the loose opposition for Venus to Saturn and pluto and the tight sextile of Saturn/pluto to neptune and the node does bode well for a supportive, understanding and deeply sensitive emotional connection.

rahu

posted January 03, 2018 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:
hi EmGem

I see want yo mean about the communication. sun/mercury conjunction is sextile to the Jupiter/chiron conjunction. this shows the unending interest you conversations bring.and very erudite,,,you both have broad understandings of social and cultural patterns and at the same time understand how the individual is affected by these higher patterns.then with chiron the analytical and cticial edges is sharpened.uoi and he give each other insights that you migt not have considered ,yet fit perfectly with your established iseas. urnaus is loosely opposed to chiron and juptier which adds theoretical insights and shows a common foreward looking
minds. this tends to show you both a extremely intelligent and you might have opposing views, but with the sextile pattern it shows the possibility tha tany differentness will be reconciled as you each give you take on "conflicting" issues.

chiron always adds a quirky or eccentric take on things which insures novel understandings will continue to arise .

the emotional feelings are not quite as strong as the menatal connection.
the sun/moon midpoint is square to juno which does show a underlying interest in a realtioship,but it may just show the friendship,but with the mars/venus midpoint conjunct to the moon, there is clearly a romantic interest here.

the Jupiter/juno midpoint is square to the vertex which strongly accentuates the feeling of a serious relationship. Though this aspect is quite energetic, it is still not a aspect that will create union on it's own.

the loose opposition for Venus to Saturn and pluto and the tight sextile of Saturn/pluto to neptune and the node does bode well for a supportive, understanding and deeply sensitive emotional connection.

rahu

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So much of this rings true thank you Todd! We can talk for hours and get completely lost. What you say about opening one another up to other views/insights is spot on. That’s exactly how it feels. He told me I fascinate him.

Is the sun moon mp conjunct Jupiter too?

posted January 03, 2018 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
So much of this rings true thank you Todd! We can talk for hours and get completely lost. What you say about opening one another up to other views/insights is spot on. That’s exactly how it feels. He told me I fascinate him.

Is the sun moon mp conjunct Jupiter too?

And is there anything denoting physical attraction here?

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well with Jupiter square to juno, I think technically one could consider the conjunction to the sun/moon midpoint, but the juno/Jupiter midpoint square to the vertex would be a stronger indication of a potential serious relationship

posted January 03, 2018 06:00 PM            

My natal

His natal

Synastry

posted January 03, 2018 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
well true Lilith doesn't really add any positive emotions. actually,with satrun/pluto square Lilith, there may be an emotional distance or coldness that will not allow the relationship to progress to a intimate emotional one.

todd

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Thank you Todd. Maybe just a friendship then, hopefully. So many contradicting aspects. How on earth do you know which ones override??

posted January 04, 2018 02:48 PM            

Particularly the position of your Uranus, ruling the 5th. How have you used that dramatic 5th house to illustrate your unique take on life. Uranus Rising too, trine Jupiter. Okay I was looking for the grand trine Pisces planet there in synastry and he has Juno right there.

These are the basics I look for, where something in a natal is desperately needing to be expressed (and quintiles; creative as they are, are not particularly nurtured in the western world, and can become very suppressed). So this man does bring the planets which would help you to integrate the quintiles, into the forefront... I'd prefer to see Sun in Pisces, but Juno is something.

The other glaringly important point in your natal is unaspected (peregrine Venus). Again we're looking for a partner who integrates that planet and helps it to express, in order that it's not 'standing alone'. This man has Jupiter loosely square, but also his 7th house Mars trine along with his North Node.

I can totally see how he can fulfill you. With Pluto and Mars in the 7th, a partner who needs him is a big plus, so yes I can see attraction. It's whether you actually enjoy each others company, as well as fitting the needs of one another though....?

Sorry have to go out. There is more to look out but you may want to ponder these points anyway :-) x

posted January 05, 2018 06:12 AM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Wooooo! Quintile Queen, that's an amazing amount of quintiles in your natal, I've not seen so many before.

Particularly the position of your Uranus, ruling the 5th. How have you used that dramatic 5th house to illustrate your unique take on life. Uranus Rising too, trine Jupiter. Okay I was looking for the grand trine Pisces planet there in synastry and he has Juno right there.

These are the basics I look for, where something in a natal is desperately needing to be expressed (and quintiles; creative as they are, are not particularly nurtured in the western world, and can become very suppressed). So this man does bring the planets which would help you to integrate the quintiles, into the forefront... I'd prefer to see Sun in Pisces, but Juno is something.

The other glaringly important point in your natal is unaspected (peregrine Venus). Again we're looking for a partner who integrates that planet and helps it to express, in order that it's not 'standing alone'. This man has Jupiter loosely square, but also his 7th house Mars trine along with his North Node.

I can totally see how he can fulfill you. With Pluto and Mars in the 7th, a partner who needs him is a big plus, so yes I can see attraction. It's whether you actually enjoy each others company, as well as fitting the needs of one another though....?

Sorry have to go out. There is more to look out but you may want to ponder these points anyway :-) x

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Holy moly you just found my username of all possible perfect usernames, Quintile Queen! haha. I like that.
Yes it's quite the concentration of them i have there in my natal. I'm not sure exactly HOW it manifests. I do lots of things and i'm good at lots of creative things. I'm a dancer, so I guess I channel them in that - along with all my uranus thing going on.
Thanks so much for looking at the charts. I'm really intrigued about something. Does the grand trine people complete for you always feel good without it depending on what you natal needs are? Like are grand trines something everyone will love?

Yeah this guy. Well, he lives in another city is all. That's the problem but I am now thinking that he dropped into my life like an angel with a message about how worthy I am and how I shouldn't settle for crumbs in my life. He really left such a huge impact. He might be moving to my city though so we'll see

posted January 05, 2018 10:32 AM            

Good questions and not really ones I can answer clearly. I remember looking at a chart of a girl with a t-square and saying to my friend, "does her partner by any chance turn the t-square into a grand cross?" Of course the answer was yes, and it was a pretty messy t-square too as I recall (heavy weights to personal planets). So I suppose any kind of chart weighted in a particular direction will seek a balancer.

Those with stelliums will often seek other stellium folk, but usually with a trine or square from one to the other. There are no rules though, I have to admit that there does seem to be a sense of intuition you glean from a chart once you've been studying for a long time.

So, to answer your actual question, it's perfectly possible that a 'you complete me' grand trine would not be attractive to some people. It may not be what somebody with a t-square is looking for. If you've grown up in an oppressive or aggressive family I don't suppose the warm comfort of a grand trine would be easy to trust, you'd have to be ready to take a leap of faith and make that change from tension, to harmony...

As for your question about your Venus, I'd prefer to see it well aspected in synastry. This other man you speak of, will feel exciting with his own Venus-Uranus conjunct, but I'd like to see integration aspects to indicate relationship potential. Of course, if his Sun or Mars is quintile this could prove very helpful. I can imagine a chart with many quintiles, will naturally resonate with that in synastry. Who's ever come across a 'grand star' in synastry?? But that would be a fabulous aspect to behold (5 interlocked quintiles)!! With your chart you may just be that person to create that configuration :-)

Great that you're a dancer, that's a fine way to illustrate Uranus rising, quintile Mars . As a fellow Uranus rising I also love dancing, you can't not stand out in a room, so you may as well move beautifully and gracefully whilst you're in it.... :-)

posted January 06, 2018 11:21 AM            

It's difficult to generalise really, as if the stellium in Scorpio includes Pluto for instance then that's a very strong Pluto emphasis. An opposing stellium in Taurus is probably not going to be very sympathetic to that, unless their Pluto is fully activated - which could be quite stormy but very sexual.

I wouldn't like to guess really. We're not talking about your chart here surely? As your Gemini planets would on form an inconjunct to Scorpio placements?

Jupiter conjunct Venus is wonderful!! Conjunct the MC isn't bad either! It's fabulous to think that he could actually make up what I'm calling the 'grand star' (other references have called it a 'grand quintile').

We're at the beginning of our investigations into this pattern ;-) such a shame that I can't get astrodienst to create quintile aspect lines. It would make the investigations a lot easier, for all I know there could be lots of great relationships featuring this Quintile pattern (unlikely though due to the orb limitations and the odds having 5 planets spread out so precisely!!)

It certainly sounds like this man that you are talking about here has more powerful and integrated synastry with you. Is he potentially interested also?

posted January 06, 2018 11:25 AM            

Fortunately I can use my Pluto in the 12th to be incognito. Sometimes you want to go to the shops without attracting attention, or having people tell you a few days later that they know you went to the shops... ;-) Do you get that? Perhaps conjunct from the 12th is less intense? I do kind of love it now, but when I was younger and shyer it embarrassed me.. :-)

posted January 06, 2018 06:46 PM            

He has his Pluto in lib conjunct his sun/mercury. The stellium in Taurus person belongs to someone he’s involved with. Her Pluto is in Scorpio conjunct his stellium! I feel she has a certain hold on him and knows exactly what buttons to push. So that’s why I was curious. However it doesn’t seem to be a highly sexual relationship at all. He admits the raw attraction is not as strong. She seems the complete opposite to his type. Which is why he sought me out again. Yes he has strong feelings for me and has since we met 12 years ago, but I was with his friend then. The desire is so deep between us, a powerfully compelling attraction, but taurus stellium’s father recently died and he feels a certain obligation to her. He also feels like he’d disappoint his friends by being with me (same group as my ex). Libraaaaa argh! He cant stay away from me though. Every time we see one another his body shakes as there is such deep emotion running through him that he’s never experienced before. Our eye contact is insane.
So I guess that’s why I was curious about the Taurus stellium effect on him in comparison.

Yes! I understand you re Uranus rising. I get people staring at me when I walk into a room all the time haha. My 12th Pluto prefers to be incognito at times too. Being a dancer though, I sometimes love the attention. Do you look really uniquely different or is it just your vibe? With me I think it’s the vibe, but the Scorpio rising eyes do have their place in this attraction too I suppose.

posted January 07, 2018 05:55 AM            

The Star of David is made up of 6 sextiles, rare but made more possible by more lenient orbs. :-)

Maybe I should call this the grand star "great pentagon"?? Haha, it'll probably have to be called the Grand Quintile really.

Ah so the stellium guy is in a relationship, well I don't suppose there's a lot you can do about that. I believe the attraction is real, but whilst he's with somebody else it's probably best to only give him slim pickings of your time. You don't want him to feel he can have the love of both of you.... I'm always wary of a guy who makes excuses. It could be that he's being genuinely kind, or it could be that he's still invested in the relationship with her but wants to keep you as an option.

Either way, despite the previously noted synastry aspects between you sounding great, he's more likely to seek you out if you seem like you have a lot of other options and he's in danger of 'losing you'. I know you know this already, but I always put myself in the other person's shoes. If I was the Taurus and I heard my partner say that he was with me through pity....well... It's a pretty devastating situation for her really and it doesn't make him sound quite so compassionate...

Ha so cool that you get to use the shadows of 12th house Pluto also :-) I guess as a dancer you work as a performer, so certainly Uranus will add a little 'star quality'. I probably do look different, yes. Since I was a teenager I've always had an array of interesting hats and scarves and kept my hair long and red. It's a vibe though. Most definitely, Uranus is ever-present no matter what haha!

I'm Libra Rising + Uranus and Aquarius Sun. Too much Uranus lately with t-Uranus opposite Uranus, square Venus for the last year or so. Am looking forward to Uranus in Taurus ;-)

posted January 07, 2018 06:44 AM            

Yeah it’s a pretty grey this situation. But I don’t drop everything for him I assure you. I asked him if I should just give up on him and he was over in a flash afraid he was going to lose me. So I’m living my life and it’s a full life and the more I do that the more he comes towards me. But he knows my take on this thing. I don’t want to be a side plate. The attraction is so strong it’s not easy and we all cave at times but I’m leaving myself open for other opportunities - hence my original post

posted January 08, 2018 07:34 AM            

I, personally was burned by taking a similar stance, but no regrets. It was a karmic soulmate and I couldn't live with 'what ifs' so I had to experience the whole story to balance the karma and be able to get on my life fully.

Right now with us both experiencing Uranus square Venus, it's these kinds of situations that we're supposed to be looking at I suppose. When Uranus is in a less destabilising position then it will be a better time to embark on a relationship. Personally speaking when Uranus enters Taurus it will be sextile my Moon and Mercury - at their midpoint. That would be quite a nice vibe to begin a relationship with I suspect :-)

posted January 08, 2018 08:21 PM            

This is exactly how I feel about them actually. Something another astrologer told me was that they clearly still have more karma to work on. And I'm sure he and I do too!

I'm sorry to hear you were burned in a similar situation. I do remember you telling me about your story a while ago on here. It may have even been a year ago when this all started.

I really do hope you find some grounding with tUranus through Taurus. Sextile your moon/mercury sounds great!!