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LunaIscariot
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posted March 20, 2018 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey everyone I'm pretty good with synastry, but a novice when it comes to composites! lol so I would greatly appreciate it if you could take a look at these two different composites and tell me what you see? What these relationships will be like, which is better in your opinion etc. thank you so much! <3

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LunaIscariot
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posted March 21, 2018 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 22, 2018 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Lunalscariot!

I would start another thread and attention it to Todd in the title. He is the BEST with composites!

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posted March 27, 2018 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone wanna help a girl out? Lol

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posted March 27, 2018 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have time today to go into details but on first glance I'd say the first one is more favorable as the second one clearly has big ups and downs that show instability.
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posted March 27, 2018 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting, thank you Todd! If you have time later, could you please explain a bit more? What you mean about the ups and down in the second and what could cause this? Thank you so much

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posted March 27, 2018 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I LOVE that venus/Jupiter conjunction in the 7th house!

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posted March 27, 2018 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmGem:
I LOVE that venus/Jupiter conjunction in the 7th house!

Haha thank you! It does seem nice, and I noticed Jupiter was also the 7th house ruler, so I’m wondering what that could mean and if that is significant at all? Hmm
What bothers me is that mars-Saturn opposition, I know from synastry that isn’t a great aspect, so I’m wondering how this will manifest in the composite... sexual issues maybe? Idk lol
It’s also squaring the Ascendant/Descendant axis almost forming like a grand cross? Seems kinda significant, but idk what it means? Anyone have any ideas?

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posted March 27, 2018 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the second composite, I like the sun-moon conjunction in the 5th? I know a friend couple who had this conjunction and they were very much a unit, always a pair and did things together, lots of harmony/compatibilty... but it’s a bit wide? Would you still count a 9 degree orb for composite?
Moon square mars sounds nasty, like hurt feelings/arguments, easily irritated or annoyed with each other?
Also, I noticed that Venus in the 4th is intercepted in libra... does that mean anything? Do interceptions count or work in composites similar to a natal? Lol
Thank you to anyone who answers my potentially silly questions I’m still trying to learn how composites work

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posted March 28, 2018 05:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Haha thank you! It does seem nice, and I noticed Jupiter was also the 7th house ruler, so I’m wondering what that could mean and if that is significant at all? Hmm
What bothers me is that mars-Saturn opposition, I know from synastry that isn’t a great aspect, so I’m wondering how this will manifest in the composite... sexual issues maybe? Idk lol
It’s also squaring the Ascendant/Descendant axis almost forming like a grand cross? Seems kinda significant, but idk what it means? Anyone have any ideas?

Maybe expansion of love and really wanted to manifest this into a committed relationship? It seems very very good though! And such a joy because no tigetger. Really forgiving too.
Hmmmm mars opposite Saturn. Inwould say a sense of frustration possibly. Not sure about sexual issues. But remember that every rel has its challenges so just see it as something to be mindful of.
I hope Todd comes back for you!

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posted March 28, 2018 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you EmGem😘😇

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posted March 28, 2018 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi lunalscariot

as mentioned the Venus/Jupiter is very favorable s it shows both a emotional attraction and a overall social attraction, both enjoying the same past ties. in Capricorn,this could show a common ground in a professional sense or maybe in a educational institution.

the moon square this conjunction adds to the strength of the emotional connection.

the mars/venus and mars/Jupiter midpoint is conjunct the vertex which really adds to the potential of a serious relationship as this possibility was immediately felt. and he seems to feel this as strongly as you do. but vertex aspect though strong are often difficult to integrate into the reality of a relationship.

the stellium of sun/mercury and Uranus is quite interesting as it shows you both are extremely intelligent and that your conversations are spread over a vast area of knowledge. this also can give a distinctly psychic connection and I would think that you have had common dreams of ach other.
so there is a very strong mental connection/attraction and a emotional connection and attraction.
with pluto sextile to mercury et.al., there is a grounding energy along with a healing energy which is favorable as the Uranus/mercury can get very intense and hyper by themselves.
the eros/[psyche midpoint is conjunct to Jupiter and Venus which clearly shows the idealistic and romantic feelings are quite strong in addition to the afore mentioned emotional attraction.

the moon/Saturn midpoint is loosely conjunct to venus and Jupiter which shows the necessary devotion and steadiness of emotional feelings to establish a committed relationship.
but the caveat is the mars/Saturn opposition . this can show that he is resistant to commitment or at least needs to feel his way into such a responsibility. the opposition can lead to a devotional commitment but it shows there is a question from his perspective that needs to be worked out.
another question mark is that the juno/Jupiter midpoint is conjunct the Neptune/Uranus conjunction . this is very tricky as it can show bold ideas and assertions of commitment but sometimes dreams,words and expectations can fall short of manifestation when Neptune is involved. sometimes the energy to fulfill these promises is not present or other "dreams" interfere.

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posted March 28, 2018 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi again
right off the bat the Uranus/Neptune conjunction on the descendant is square the node. this does gives a very intense connection. it tends to common dreams and it likely shows amazing plans and expectations. But this pattern is notorious for plans that never happen or ambitions that are never achieved in a relationship. it is a slippery slope to base a relationship on.

the moon/Saturn trine does give a overall emotional stability and these are sextile to the descendant et.al. there is a feeling that any expectations for the relationship could manifest. so the speculative nature of the node square may not be apparent.

venus sextile to mars also gives a stable affectionate feeling which would resonate with the subtle devotional feelings of the Saturn/moon trine.

the juno/Jupiter midpoint is square to the venus/node midpoint, giving a strong emotional feeling of commitment.

Jupiter is square to Saturn which is very unfavorable for commitment or marriage as it can indicate he is not really wanting the responsibility of a serious relationship.

in addition the sun is conjunct to pluto and the moon/node midpoint is conjunct these.this tends to shows that the relationship is driven by unconscious dynamics which is not favorable for a relatiohsip. the moon/node midpoint is very sensitive but the pluto/sun can show a closed emotional side to the relationship.

the Jupiter/Saturn square would give a serious or despondent feeling and the Uranus square the node would bring in an exhilarating feeling. but these elements ,Saturn and Uranus , are polar opposite and forebode that there would be no emotional consistency. the relationship would be up and down.

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posted March 28, 2018 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Todd!!!!!

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posted March 29, 2018 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone else have any insight? all opinions are greatly appreciated! I’m still trying to decide which is better lol

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posted April 04, 2018 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 04, 2018 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Anyone else have any insight? all opinions are greatly appreciated! I’m still trying to decide which is worth pursuing lol

What does your heart say? Who are you more drawn to?

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posted April 12, 2018 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 12, 2018 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FmVenusWLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 2 cents - I actually have a different perspective on composites than what I feel has been discussed here so far. As this is a mid-point chart, it doesn't make sense to assign the same function of the planets and house placements here like we do in synastry. If we are looking for things such as how the individuals feel about each other or interact, we should be looking at their synastry.

A composite shows what they create together and is only activated when the two are together. I've been taught to look at it more like a natal chart with the understanding that placements in the composite act as “gravitational” points between two people – where their individuality is balanced or mediated. I have seen astrologers look at how a person's natal chart aspects the composite to gain an understanding of how that person might feel and interact with the relationship itself (for example, does the relationship stimulate and excite that person or does the relationship make them feel burdened and uncomfortable ; what aspects of the individual’s personality is brought to light by being in this relationship or what aspects are hidden and repressed, etc…). Again, the composite alone wouldn't give you that information.

That said, I don’t think the quality of each relationship can really be assessed here – you’d need to look at each person’s natal compared to the composite chart of the relationship to get a feel if each person may be comfortable or uncomfortable with the energy they create together. Also, since it’s a midpoint chart it may not be unusual to see personal themes repeated in the chart – how each person deals with that theme within themselves will also impact how they feel and approach the relationship and that cannot be read in a chart as that has everything to do with a person’s free will.

Taking a quick look here, in the first relationship you have a Mercury ruled composite conjunct an Aquarius sun / MC in the 9th house - you're looking at a relationship that needs a lot of intellectual stimulation and expansive experiences in order to stay alive. You both need to be engaged in new and interesting experiences together in order to feed the lifeforce of your connection – stagnation and boredom will bring out the shadow side of your relationship. This also highlighted by the Saturn opp Mars, confirming that you will need to work at balancing the more mundane aspects of a relationship with the desire to shake things up and “be wild” together. 9H activities together are highlighted, such as travelling, exploring deeper philosophies and theologies, diff cultures, ways of life etc... under the progressive spirit of Aquarius. I’d say that this relationship will not be a conventional one – it cannot be if you want it to survive. If at any point one of you tries to force this into the mold of something more structured or traditional, you will crush it. Communication and connecting with each other through other people is highlighted in this chart too – with a 5H Libra moon, Venus conjunct Jupiter in the 7th and Sun widely conjunct MC, you share a lot of yourself with others. If successful, your relationship may even serve to “teach” others about new ways of thinking about what it means to be in partnership with a lover, but there is not a lot of need to explore emotional depth and personal intimacy with this connection.

The second relationship is quite different. The focus seems to be more on emotional development and intuitive connection. Chart-ruler conj Sun / Pluto (even out of sign) in a Scorpio 5H shows that this relationship will demand a lot of self-awareness in order to survive. You will need to at times retreat from the world and connect with each other more intimately before venturing out again to socialize and experience some fun and excitement together. This relationship needs some structure and stability to build off of (2H Mars trine 4H venus ; Saturn on the MC trine Moon/Sun/Pluto). Which makes sense because watery composites can be a bit tough as they can trigger unexpected emotional reactions – they need the foundation of something “known” or “understood” to ground them. However, I get the feeling that this relationship will also need to push boundaries in order to feel like it’s going anywhere (chart-ruler in Scorpio square 1H Mars ; Pluto close conj with Sun) which echoes the need for the relationship to be "self aware". This also needs to be more of a private connection in order to work - too much involvement from others can drain the energy of this relationship. Even with the water element, a fixed house Sun suggests something with more longevity than the previous relationship.

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posted April 13, 2018 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MahaKali     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, first is better. Jupiter as ruler of 7th is in its house in conjunction to Venus. Square to Moon is not so bad aspect. Mars opposite Saturn can lead to some irritability from time to time, but a lot of harmonious aspects will fight it out. It's opposition after all, not square, so is softer aspect when you can find the balance.

The other one has Neptune and Uranus on DC, Neptune is in square to Venus, there can be some secrets in relationship, and ups and downs with Uranus there. The other not so nice thing is Saturn as ruler of 7th in square to Jupiter, planet of luck, joy, etc..

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posted April 13, 2018 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow thank you for such a detailed analysis FmVenusWLove!
I really like your fresh approach, it’s a new perspective I really appreciate as I’m trying to grasp and form a more cohesive and comprehensive understanding of the differences between synastry, the composite and even Davison chart, so thank you for the insight!! 👍


And thank you too MahaKali!
I feel the first one has some really nice components also, only thing that worries me is the strong Uranus and Aquarius nature and the stellium in a Cadent house. The relationship has already been quite erratic and up and down and showing signs of instability...

The second is a very strange relationship, when these people are together even though the man is usually very upbeat and goofy normally, acts very quiet and introspective and just not his usual self with her, I’m thinking it’s all that Scorpio and Pluto energy and maybe the Saturn Jupiter square you mentioned is adding a very somber and depressed tone to the way these people are when they’re together... The woman seemed to smother him and want to be together 24/7 too...

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posted April 13, 2018 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MahaKali     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well maybe I missed something, didn't look at charts carefully.

But ups and downs you mentioned in first chart are maybe cause of Mercury, ruler of 1st house is in conjunction to Uranus and also Sun, missed that one. Also Chiron conjunct Moon and NN in 5th.
And opposition between Mars and Saturn. Mars ruler of 12th in 4th, some confusion, pain or secrets at home, the very important placement is shadowed by Saturn.

Yes, bloody Pluto. xD Conjunct Sun and Mercury in 5th, also in its own house, co ruler Mars in Leo square Moon in Scorpio as ruler of 1st, jealousy and possessiveness, control. Mercury as ruler of 12th house in conjunction to Sun and Pluto in 5th, lies in relationship maybe, especially with Venus sitting in 4th in square to Neptune, to make it more complete Saturn as ruler of 7th is in Pisces in square to Jupiter.

In my opinion, 2nd is much more bad Composite.

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posted April 13, 2018 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for clarifying! 😇👍❤️
Makes sense!!!

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posted April 16, 2018 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FmVenusWLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steven Forrest wrote an entire series on partner astrology with Skymates - he has a book on Composites that I highly recommend checking out if you'd like to learn more about interpreting this chart - again, it's nothing like synastry (he also has a series on synastry if you're interested). It's a great introduction and overview and hopefully will provide some good insight.

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