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Solar_Leo_Queen
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posted March 28, 2018 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have posted about my bf’s most recent ex-girlfriend before. I have never met her in my life until just two days ago. I was forced to go to her birthday party because my ride from church was invited (mind you, I don’t drive). My bf’s mom was the one that invited me to go to her church, but her friend was driving me that day.

When I finally met her, I was so shocked by how alike we are.

I walked into the room, helping my bf’s grandma walk. The minute I got into the dinner hall, I felt tension. It felt like everybody was looking at me and her. We didn’t look at each other or speak with each other for the first two hours of the party. It was like everyone was expecting us to fight (all the people the came to the party was from church). I knew she felt shocked and uneasy that I was there. I felt her energy. We kept passing by each other and didn’t talk until I finally got the courage to come up to her and say happy birthday.

I was surprised she responded very warmly to me, asking me if I ate already. I politely said yes. She complimented me on my earrings. I was so amazed, because even if I only had a few minutes of conversation with her, I knew we were alike.

Like me, she is very composed in public settings, welcoming to others, and is independent. The main difference is our beliefs and how we view/act in relationships (as far as I’ve heard from my bf).

That night, I told her I hoped I didn’t make her feel uncomfortable. She said not really. She kept complimenting me on my looks, personality, and how I was with my bf’s family. She said she saw why he fell for me, etc.

It was as if she was fascinated by me but also I felt there was something else beneath her compliments. Jealousy? Maybe?

I would say so. She did try to break me and my bf up that same night. She got to my head and turned me against him. I barely even know her. It’s scary.

I think she is still not completely over my bf, although she has kept herself at a good distance so far. I think she also thinks I was the reason why my bf left the church (which is not the case). Everybody in the church seems to think so too.

We have many squares but also trines. I feel like if we didn’t meet or know of each other, we would have been friends because of how alike we are. She did admit she thought so too and that the people at the party even said we looked the same. She has admitted to stalking me on Facebook. She also said she was very “shook” (literally what she said) meeting me.

(Her ascendant was corrected from previous posts)

Which aspects account for this?

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LunaIscariot
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posted March 28, 2018 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You both have moon in the 1st house, she is libra rising with Venus conjunct mercury, you are Gemini rising with mercury conjunct Venus. So very similar vibes and energy, appearance, how you come across and act upon first impression and from the outside exactly like you said etc.
You also have sun and moon in same elements, except she’s a lot more aggressive, intense, impulsive, sexual and temperamental than you are since Aries and scorpio are both ruled by mars...
the Scorpio moon is obsessive and compulsive, that’s why she stalked you like she admitted and that’s where the manipulation and jealousy that night came from.
You should post your bfs chart too!

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posted March 28, 2018 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Their synastry together:
(He’s red, she’s blue)

Their synastry is not bad at all. I would even go as far to say that emotionally, they might have fulfilled each other more than we do. But their composite is dreadful.


Our synastry together:
(He’s red, I’m blue)

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posted March 29, 2018 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Member     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars in 1st house, Sun square Moon in synastry

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ReachingForTheStars
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posted March 29, 2018 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I replied to that other thread and we talked a little about the similarities.

Luna is right about the aggressive energy.

I think his Venus conjunct your ASC, mercury/Venus on his IC, the 7th house moon overlay and your cancer moon makes you much more comfortable to be with. This is relationship is nurturing.

The ex seems like an impossible (Scorpio moon) dream (Pisces mercury/Venus on the MC), and she’ll probably want to perpetuate this idealization by testing and manipulating. My sister is a Libra with a Scorpio moon. She was attracted to her ex because of a single statement he made, “I’ll never leave my wife!”

Wtf, right!?

They like to provoke emotions like jealousy and fear to see what underlying emotions exists. They think these are symptoms of love and loyalty.

Libras are coquettish (I guess we can call this the composed flirt!). Combined with a Scorpio moon and Aries sun, this is someone who if morally undeveloped, can be very adept at manipulation and gettting what they want.

That’s my superficial overview

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posted March 29, 2018 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Plus, it looks like she has Venus in the 5th square Pluto, mercury in fall in the 5th... mind “games” and sensual manipulation.

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posted March 29, 2018 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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heir synastry is not bad at all. I would even go as far to say that emotionally, they might have fulfilled each other more than we do.

Idk, one moon is in its fall the other in detriment. Natally, both moons are afflicted by Saturn. He relieves some of the tension created between her moon/Saturn opposition creating a wedge in synastry. I cannot really say how effective that dynamic is because of the underlying energy though. Same with the his moon trine her mercury/Venus. Her Venus may be exalted, but in this dynamic it could lead to codependency. I’m not an expert though.

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posted March 29, 2018 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wow, psh please don’t even worry about this ex, looking at the synastry I can almost guarantee he loves and is more compatible with YOU! You have conjunct angles, closed aspect pattern completion (grand kite), planet to angle contact (Venus/mercury IC), Venus conjunct ASC, not to mention those mutual moon angle overlays, your moon in his 1st, his moon in your 7, Mars in your 1 (sexual attraction!), and his mars is conjunct your moon too! , mars in the 5th.... of this points to a lot of chemistry/compatibility and tons of physical and sexual attraction!
With the ex, the only nice contacts they really had was his Moon/Jupiter on HER IC, and the trines/sextiles made to it from her mom and Taurus stellium. This adds a nice harmonious connection, he probably felt comfortable with her etc. But this isn’t that significant considering she doesn’t match much of his 7th house or Venus symbolism compared to YOU! He’s definitely more attracted and has a stronger connection to you. The fact he has moon in his 7th and it’s conjunct his 7th ruler Jupiter, means he adores your nurturing ,sensitive, caring cancer moon. She might have moon in the first, but with that moon being in Scorpio, it’s not very nurturing or as openly affectionate as yours.... which is something he really looks for in a partner.
So I can almost guarantee he’s more emotionally fulfilled with you. I wouldn’t worry about this ex at all if I were you, honestly. She’s an ex for a reason 👍

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posted March 30, 2018 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
They like to provoke emotions like jealousy and fear to see what underlying emotions exists. They think these are symptoms of love and loyalty.

Libras are coquettish (I guess we can call this the composed flirt!). Combined with a Scorpio moon and Aries sun, this is someone who if morally undeveloped, can be very adept at manipulation and gettting what they want.

That’s my superficial overview


That absolutely makes sense! She was trying to turn me against him even though they talked just a few days ago. He just wanted to say happy birthday to her but then she brought up the whole relationship again. She told him she was already getting over it and letting it all go. But then when we started talking, he became one of our topics and sh*t went down from there.

Sidenote, my bf has DID and his main alter was very much in love with her. They were closer than her and my bf when they dated.

She sent me messages of the alter trying to get her back. She refused though. This particular alter told me himself she never saw him as his own person, but always saw him as my bf. So I guess she still sees him as that.

Anyway, we almost broke up because of that. She got to my head. I’m actually very wary of her now. I remember thinking to myself, “I read her chart before! How could I have not seen this”

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posted March 30, 2018 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Oh wow, psh please don’t even worry about this ex, looking at the synastry I can almost guarantee he loves and is more compatible with YOU! You have conjunct angles, closed aspect pattern completion (grand kite), planet to angle contact (Venus/mercury IC), Venus conjunct ASC, not to mention those mutual moon angle overlays, your moon in his 1st, his moon in your 7, Mars in your 1 (sexual attraction!), and his mars is conjunct your moon too! , mars in the 5th.... of this points to a lot of chemistry/compatibility and tons of physical and sexual attraction!
With the ex, the only nice contacts they really had was his Moon/Jupiter on HER IC, and the trines/sextiles made to it from her mom and Taurus stellium. This adds a nice harmonious connection, he probably felt comfortable with her etc. But this isn’t that significant considering she doesn’t match much of his 7th house or Venus symbolism compared to YOU! He’s definitely more attracted and has a stronger connection to you. The fact he has moon in his 7th and it’s conjunct his 7th ruler Jupiter, means he adores your nurturing ,sensitive, caring cancer moon. She might have moon in the first, but with that moon being in Scorpio, it’s not very nurturing or as openly affectionate as yours.... which is something he really looks for in a partner.
So I can almost guarantee he’s more emotionally fulfilled with you. I wouldn’t worry about this ex at all if I were you, honestly. She’s an ex for a reason 👍

Thank you so much Luna! That was very insightful. I forget sometimes how much angles matters in synastry and house overlays.

To be honest, I am more concerned with my synastry with her than their synastry. I want to know what I should watch out for.

I know someone told me before I might have the upper hand because my Moon is unchallenged. But the thing is, if she can get to my head and provoke certain emotions, I think I would have underestimated her.

She is very Plutonian after all.

Right now, her and I are acquainted through church, but she is gearing towards being friends with me. She seems to admire me in a way but also have some very different feelings underneath.

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posted March 30, 2018 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
To be honest, I am more concerned with my synastry with her than their synastry. I want to know what I should watch out for.

I know someone told me before I might have the upper hand because my Moon is unchallenged. But the thing is, if she can get to my head and provoke certain emotions, I think I would have underestimated her.

she is gearing towards being friends with me. She seems to admire me in a way but also have some very different feelings underneath.


I don’t think it’s a synastry thing; I think it’s a natal thing.

Your big three suggests you’re open and sympathetic. Openminded and openhearted.

Fortunately, your chart ruler is exalted in the discriminating sign of Virgo. Unfortunately, Venus is not well-placed, not by sign or house.

I think the moon is our psychological experience of emotions, and Venus is our physical experience of emotions. This is why Venus in Taurus rules values.

A political philosopher once said, “Moral philosophy is nothing else but the science of what is good, and evil, in the conversation, and society of mankind. Good, and evil, are names that signify our appetites, and aversions.” What kinds of things do we have “appetites” for? Food. Sex. Recognition. Friendship. So, we “value” prosperity, attractiveness, accomplishment, loyalty, trust...

The things we “value” are the things we “feel” good about. When we say, “this doesn’t feel right”. We’re responding to a sensation. There is a physical or taurean component to our value system.

The reason I think this is important enough to mention is you’re going to have a tendency to “hear things out”, “think things through”, “get perspective”. Don’t do this. I think you have to determine what your values are and set some firm boundaries. It is easy to defend yourself against overt acts of aggression but NOT so easy when those acts are COvert.

Coquettish behavior is suggestive. You’ll think, “Is she flirting with him or am I seeing things!?” “Did she just issue a backhanded comment or am I crazy!” “No, I’m crazy. She’s just being nice. That’s just how she is” She’ll say, “we’re just friends”. There’s deniability.

Nope!

Don’t do it!

Don’t be friends.

Remove deniability from the equation.

You’re going to HAVE to judge acts NOT intentions. When you intellectualize this too much, it may lead you astray. In your chart, even Mars has a tendency towards openness and intellectualization. Not only is intellectualization your default, it’s what you value. Society reinforces this value and I just foresee it being used against you. Hopefully, I’m wrong. You may find yourself in a situation where you’re being expected to prove the unprovable. With FIRM boundaries in place, you’ll have the means to retain some sanity. Lol.

Trust your gut reactions and start using phrases like, “I don’t like that. Don’t do it again.”

Then, you’ll be able to say, “I asked you not to do this. You did it anyway. I’m hurt.” That is it! You’re already a reasonable person. Don’t let that be questioned. Don’t let the situation devolve into a discussion about whether your requests are reasonable or not. You determine that.

So, which actions are YOU ok with and which actions are not ok?

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posted March 30, 2018 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very wise words 👍👍👍

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posted March 31, 2018 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ReachingForTheStars

You are 100% right. I do have a tendency to give people the benefit of the doubt. I usually tend to use logic more to judge certain events than feelings. It has gotten me disappointed quite a few times in my life. The only time my Cancer moon’s irrationality is triggered is when something really unbearable happens.

I think that’s exactly what is happening here. I guess I thought that just because she’s the ex, doesn’t mean she’s a completely bad person, or that she will have bad intentions. I never thought of it that way. My bf did say she’s trying to stir up something between us. She might have that idea in her head that if she can’t have him, no one can either.

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