posted May 08, 2018 10:29 AM            

(Number them in order 1-3 from MOST to LEAST plutonic, based on the info provided, and your reason why)

1. Sun in Scorpio(19), 6H
Moon in Libra (21), 6H
Mercury in Scorpio (r7), 6H
Venus in Scorpio (3), 6H
Jupiter in Scorpio (0), 6Hcusp
Pluto in Scorpio (25), 6H
DSC in Scorpio (23)
mars in Sagittarius (1) on the 7H cusp.

Sun opposite ASC,
Mars opposite ASC,
Pluto opposite ASC,

Sun conjunct Pluto.
mars conjunct Pluto.
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BIRTH TIME 5:00pm (on the dot)*

2. Sun in Cancer, (3) 8H
Moon in Virgo, (6) 10H or 11H
Mercury in Cancer, (26) 8H
Taurus Venus, 6H or 7H
Virgo Mars, 9H.

ASC in Scorpio,
ASC conjunct Pluto (23),
Venus in Taurus opposite Pluto,
Mercury trine Pluto,
Mars in Virgo square Pluto.

Pluto rules the 12th and the 1st (intercepted houses?)

BIRTH TIME AROUND 5:30pm*

3. Capricorn Sun
Capricorn Mercury
Libra Moon
Virgo Mars

Venus in Scorpio,
NN in Scorpio,
Pluto in Scorpio,
Jupiter (3) Sagittarius,

Venus conjunct NN (very wide 4 degrees)
Moon in Libra sextile Pluto (possibly)
Mars in Virgo square Pluto.

BIRTH TIME UNKNOWN*

MY ANSWER:
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A Scorpio SUN is Plutonic all by itself.
Add a stellium.

That Scorpio ASC conjunct Pluto was enough for spot #2.

Venus is only 1 aspect of the chart.
It’s plutonic, but it doesn’t scream at you in this chart. Capricorn Sun/ Mercury, Libra moon. Virgo mars. #3

SN: I know I did not post any charts.

I DID post all MAJOR Plutonic aspects.

posted May 08, 2018 07:29 PM            

I would rate it

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posted May 13, 2018 12:59 PM            

This person also has sun and mercury in the 8th to boot, adding even more Scorpio influence. Plus the mars square Pluto, this usually makes a person VERY defensive and vindictive, these people don’t back down and are usually very temperamental and were aggressive as a child and had a hard time controlling their intense anger and emotions and have an abrasive personality typical of Scorpio. They like to prod and stir things up, they’re prone to getting into conflicts. This is all adding to the first house stuff.

posted May 14, 2018 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by erickaf:
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Thanks for your input, erickaf.

posted May 14, 2018 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
I would agree that number 2 is more “plutonic”. The ascendant in Scorpio and conjunct Pluto is VERY powerful. The ascendant literally rules the personality and temperament and the themes in ones life.
If we’re talking about a personality, who is going to have the most Scorpio or Pluto traits it’s definitely the second. The ascendant colours and filters the rest of the chart, affecting everything else.

This person also has sun and mercury in the 8th to boot, adding even more Scorpio influence. Plus the mars square Pluto, this usually makes a person VERY defensive and vindictive, these people don’t back down and are usually very temperamental and were aggressive as a child and had a hard time controlling their intense anger and emotions and have an abrasive personality typical of Scorpio. They like to prod and stir things up, they’re prone to getting into conflicts. This is all adding to the first house stuff.

Second would definitely be the first. But all those Scorpio planets if they're conjunct or in the 7th is adding a strong libra influence (already they have a libra moon) and a lot of the traits are projected and disowned and only show up in relationships or through others. Makes the person a lot more easy going and agreeable than the typical Scorpio. Jupiter is also conjunct Venus lightening it up a lot, and venus is the ASC ruler so this is a more relaxed, easy going, friendly and agreeable/polite person. Not actually too scorpionic by themselves, the traits are mainly going to be triggered and expressed through others since Scorpio rules the 7th.

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Thanks for your reply Luna!

I never would have looked at it from that perspective.

Planets placed in a certain house can dedinitely modify the sign in question so I can understqnd how that would affect that Scorpio stellium.

posted May 16, 2018 11:24 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Does candidate number 1 have OCD by any chance?

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HA!

Very much.

posted May 20, 2018 04:45 AM            

I don't agree about Asc Scorpio with Pluto there being more Plutonic. I have a brother and also a couple of friends having this, Scorpio Asc is one of the least Plutonics of all Plutonic people actually.

And I'm not alone in this assesnment, I have read this in several posts as well and from astrologers too.

Why Asc is least plutonic? Because Asc is just the first house, our mask. Its not our true selfe so to speak. Now, I know that asc sign does flavour and influences the whole chart but still, its not that Plutonic.

I have met many types of Plutonic people, and as said I grew up with a brother who has Pluto conj his Asc. He is not Plutonic at all. Compared with me or other plutonians I know of.

Also things to concider: The 8th house. Which planets are in the 8th house? Who is the ruler of the 8th house? What aspects to the ruler and the planets in it?

Last dispositor. For ex my last dispositor, the true ruler of my whole chart is Pluto, but this is something that is not appearent if you don't track things back and calculate the last dispositor.

Also, stelliums. Some astrologers have noticed that the more planets in one sign, the least the effect! Having a stellium in Scorpio, does not make someone super plutonic. This seems contradictonary but alas what I have experienced also.

My 2 cents, and I'm not a pro astrologer! I have a good intuition for astrology, but after 10 years, I'm still in the learning phase^^. Mostly because I don't have much experience studiyng others natal charts.

posted May 20, 2018 08:15 AM            

This is getting very interesting.

The responses are actually nothing like I assumed..

I’m shocked at some of these responses..

I know I did not post the charts..

Only because #2 birth time is like @90% accurate and #3 birth time is unknown.

These responses show how Astrology comes with so many layers and different perspectives.

I will say, I don’t agree at all about a stellium lessening the influence of the sign its in. That just doesn’t make any sense. If I have the same energy in more than 1 area of life, it means that energy is more pronounced. It’s like a big flood that hits almost “every room in the house” vs a person with 1 planet in Scorpio.. the flood won’t be so “bad” as it only hit 1 room in the house.

That’s just my perspective.

As far as #1 being more Plutonian, I can see how this would be so specifically referencing THIS chart or combination of aspects..

Natally, person #2 has intercepted houses with Pluto ruling the 12H AND 1H while also having Sun/ Mercury in the 8H with Pluto trine Mercury.

Venus also opposes Pluto in chart #2.

I can see how he would be viewed as more Plutonian, but I still believe #1 takes the cake without a doubt regardless of that Virgo/ Libra influence from the 6H.

Person #3 is the least Plutonian still in my opinion.

It seems like no one really disagrees on that.

It seems to be a battle between #1 & #2.

posted May 20, 2018 08:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
Thanks so much for all of the replies!

This is getting very interesting.

The responses are actually nothing like I assumed..

I’m shocked at some of these responses..

I know I did not post the charts..

Only because #2 birth time is like @90% accurate and #3 birth time is unknown.

These responses show how Astrology comes with so many layers and different perspectives.

I will say, I don’t agree at all about a stellium lessening the influence of the sign its in. That just doesn’t make any sense. If I have the same energy in more than 1 area of life, it means that energy is more pronounced. It’s like a big flood that hits almost “every room in the house” vs a person with 1 planet in Scorpio.. the flood won’t be so “bad” as it only hit 1 room in the house.

That’s just my perspective.

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Yes I know stellium thing is weird. But also its said single standing planets are the strongest in a chart so thats that also

posted May 20, 2018 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:

Yes I know stellium thing is weird. But also its said single standing planets are the strongest in a chart so thats that also

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I apologize if I came off rude. That reply was indeed, rude. I apologize. I get so passionate about things. Haha

But yeah I can see that too, but then we have to think, it’s the strongest planet in THEIR chart but that doesn’t necessarily mean others will receive the energy the same way.

posted May 22, 2018 04:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
I apologize if I came off rude. That reply was indeed, rude. I apologize. I get so passionate about things. Haha

But yeah I can see that too, but then we have to think, it’s the strongest planet in THEIR chart but that doesn’t necessarily mean others will receive the energy the same way.

It might be the strongest in their chart, but coming face to face with someone who has 3 or more planets in the same sign, they’re a mere weakling in comparison (Puts imaginary nose in air*)

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ww you are so sweeet! <3 No I did not feel it as you were rude! You were just forward/firm. Its so kind of you to apologize in any case<3.
I’m not a real astrologer or anything, I just read other astrolgers theory and it seems to suit regarding my gemini stellium, but my gemini planets have lots of interferance so it can be that also

What I know for sure is that planet aspects are pure energy and very potent then having it in just that sign.

posted May 22, 2018 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ It's your chart right ? #1

It's a close competition in my eyes, yeah # 3 is there just to make the numbers. And I agree that having a stellium does not make the planet strong, but, we do have to keep in mind that Pluto is also involved in the stellium, and conjuncts Sun and Mars, now that's huge.The energy is far more apparent in the square between Mars and Pluto than the conjunction because of the conflict, the presence of a roaring lion is far more visible to our naked eyes than the presence of a lion who does not roar, but the thing is the energy of the conjunction is such that if you own it, you don't even need to roar, things fall into place on their own in your presence. It needs be kept in mind though, that #2 had ASC conjunct Pluto, and in my eyes ASC is more than just a mask, it determines where the planets fall in your chart, and we do know that the difference between same moon falling in 2nd, and 8th, is huge.

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^ It's your chart right ? #1

It's a close competition in my eyes, yeah # 3 is there just to make the numbers. And I agree that having a stellium does not make the planet strong, but, we do have to keep in mind that Pluto is also involved in the stellium, and conjuncts Sun and Mars, now that's huge.The energy is far more apparent in the square between Mars and Pluto than the conjunction because of the conflict, the presence of a roaring lion is far more visible to our naked eyes than the presence of a lion who does not roar, but the thing is the energy of the conjunction is such that if you own it, you don't even need to roar, things fall into place on their own in your presence. It needs be kept in mind though, that #2 had ASC conjunct Pluto, and in my eyes ASC is more than just a mask, it determines where the planets fall in your chart, and we do know that the difference between same moon falling in 2nd, and 8th, is huge.

Yup! I am the stellium.

What’s interesting though about what you said is I have absolutely NO personal power!!!! I have struggled my entire life with this and I don’t understand it, astrologically speaking.

I do have Sun, mars, Pluto opposite ASC.
This could be the culprit.
But what does it mean?

I notice other Scorpios (I checked ha.) have at least a little personal power. People seem to just walk all over me or take me as a joke in most cases. There are a few times where I have ‘roared’ but I never feel like I get the respect I deserve.

posted May 22, 2018 10:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
ww you are so sweeet! <3 No I did not feel it as you were rude! You were just forward/firm. Its so kind of you to apologize in any case<3.
I’m not a real astrologer or anything, I just read other astrolgers theory and it seems to suit regarding my gemini stellium, but my gemini planets have lots of interferance so it can be that also

What I know for sure is that planet aspects are pure energy and very potent then having it in just that sign.

For ex Mars in aspect with Uranus is more potent then having Mars in Aquarius only.

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Haha I enjoyed reading your reply.

But I am by no means a professional myself or even close to it so I get you.