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hypatia238
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posted June 19, 2018 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this with someone exact and I can tell he is one of my soulmates,like his eyes speak to me, like I see his soul. My saturn conjunct his venus forms a grand trine with his saturn and moon.

I look at our synastry and composite and there is no nodal stuff except for his northnode conjunct exact my asteroid name.

My psyche conjuncts his AC,SUN,PLUTO,EROS,JUNO, JUPITER and PRIAPUS.

^^Perhaps that is why I feel his eyes speak to me.

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posted June 20, 2018 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the one who owes is the Saturn person and that may be why they are the one who feels the weight and feel responsible for the other, but on the other hand, they cannot let go as they know somehow they should stick around to pay their debt.

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posted June 24, 2018 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
I think the one who owes is the Saturn person and that may be why they are the one who feels the weight and feel responsible for the other, but on the other hand, they cannot let go as they know somehow they should stick around to pay their debt.


Thank you. I am no longer chatting with this Individual. I had this exact conjunction as well with an intern last year at my job. It's not a good placement when the conjunction is exact, the Venus person does not feel comfortable around Saturn, there is a hesitancy and or difficulty trusting Saturn or just doesn't feel confident around Saturn so avoids Saturn bc they feel awkward.

As the Saturn person I find their issues around me strange and have little patience and understanding for it and eventually I get irritated and feel repulsed by them.

But this is the case with the exact conjunction, with guys I have this conjunction widely I am happy to be in their life and they want me in theirs. It plays out more positively with the wide conjunction definitely, I simply want to be there for Venus, they can count on me.

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posted June 25, 2018 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stellia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this with someone - my saturn conj his venus (1deg) and his mars (2deg) (and my Aphrodite 1388 between his venus and mars).

There is no doubt that we are soulmates. We have a lot of other connections too, on both of our North Nodes; and indeed my saturn/his venus-mars conjunction is square his nodes (by 3degrees).

My experience of saturn-venus in synastry is that it is very binding. And yes, like you hypatia238, the eye thing is very strong - I can stare into his eyes for the longest time.

It's not an easy conjunction, for sure, but it's one for growth on both sides. Subconsciously, I feel that he (venus-mars) looks to me for maturity in some ways, I (saturn) look to him to help me lighten up.

That sense of wanting to be there for him - in whatever capacity - is very strong indeed. I love him unconditionally and would do pretty much anything for him, even though we are not together.

In fact it's something we've talked about before - no matter where he is or what we're both doing or if we haven't spoken in years, my door will never be shut to him if he needs me.

Maybe that's my karmic responsibility coming through, I don't know. It's a powerful aspect for sure - and I understand why it's so common in married couples.

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posted June 25, 2018 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stellia:

That sense of wanting to be there for him - in whatever capacity - is very strong indeed. I love him unconditionally and would do pretty much anything for him, even though we are not together.

In fact it's something we've talked about before - no matter where he is or what we're both doing or if we haven't spoken in years, my door will never be shut to him if he needs me.

Maybe that's my karmic responsibility coming through, I don't know. It's a powerful aspect for sure - and I understand why it's so common in married couples.


Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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posted June 27, 2018 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Thank you. I am no longer chatting with this Individual. I had this exact conjunction as well with an intern last year at my job. It's not a good placement when the conjunction is exact, the Venus person does not feel comfortable around Saturn, there is a hesitancy and or difficulty trusting Saturn or just doesn't feel confident around Saturn so avoids Saturn bc they feel awkward.

As the Saturn person I find their issues around me strange and have little patience and understanding for it and eventually I get irritated and feel repulsed by them.

But this is the case with the exact conjunction, with guys I have this conjunction widely I am happy to be in their life and they want me in theirs. It plays out more positively with the wide conjunction definitely, I simply want to be there for Venus, they can count on me.


Bella, what orbs are you using for wide conjunction

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posted June 27, 2018 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Bella, what orbs are you using for wide conjunction

Astrotheme uses a 10 degree orb, I would say 8 degree orb.

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posted July 03, 2018 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DreamCatcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

The way I lave studied/learned is that while equally karmic and impactful, it is the Saturn person who is the needier of the two and comes to collect the debt from the Venus person.

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posted July 03, 2018 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok so I don't have venus conjunct saturn with the guy I am with now after all. He lied about his bday when we first met and I understand why.

So in light of that if I look back on the people I have that with I don't think this is a good aspect, it is and is not. Its complicated with this aspect.

As the saturn person I tend to feel repulsed by the venus person sooner or later, there is something about this aspect that feels icky.

Yet I had it with a client that I had a connection with so there are exceptions but overall I get the sense this is not a good placement. Maybe with that client me been her therapist and not making her situation more challenging was the debt that I had for her, she was able to reunify with her kids. I was supportive of her. With the guy I was with last year he ended up going back to school to get his Bachelor's degree in Math because of my influence and presence in his life, maybe that is why I came into his life. With the intern that was in my job last year I am not sure what debt I owed him, It was awkward been in each other's presence but maybe he learned something from me in spite of that, I have no clue with that one but he chose not to pursue counseling and instead get a PhD in Theology, something along those lines so perhaps his life direction was defined more and altered during his stay with us.

Saturn seems to provide support to venus around pushing them in the right direction or finding their way, helping them along their journey somehow, helping them get back on track in some way. That is the impression I am getting as the saturn person but once that support is provided you part ways.

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posted July 03, 2018 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DreamCatcher:
Hi,

The way I lave studied/learned is that while equally karmic and impactful, it is the Saturn person who is the needier of the two and comes to collect the debt from the Venus person.


Saturn Needy? Saturn is the teacher. I would think Venus would be needy.

With the guy I saw last year he fell for me and I did not for him, I was in control (saturn), he fell for me (venus).

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posted July 03, 2018 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of my new clients her venus conjunct mars falls on my saturn, I like her. It seems saturn conjunct venus works well when they are my client, I develop a good relationship with them in that context.

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posted July 04, 2018 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cultstatus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iíve had this with a few people, I feel like nothing good really ever came of those relationships. Iím going through charts now trying to find an exception.

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posted July 06, 2018 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Ok so I don't have venus conjunct saturn with the guy I am with now after all. He lied about his bday when we first met and I understand why.

So in light of that if I look back on the people I have that with I don't think this is a good aspect, it is and is not. Its complicated with this aspect.

As the saturn person I tend to feel repulsed by the venus person sooner or later, there is something about this aspect that feels icky.

Yet I had it with a client that I had a connection with so there are exceptions but overall I get the sense this is not a good placement. Maybe with that client me been her therapist and not making her situation more challenging was the debt that I had for her, she was able to reunify with her kids. I was supportive of her. With the guy I was with last year he ended up going back to school to get his Bachelor's degree in Math because of my influence and presence in his life, maybe that is why I came into his life. With the intern that was in my job last year I am not sure what debt I owed him, It was awkward been in each other's presence but maybe he learned something from me in spite of that, I have no clue with that one but he chose not to pursue counseling and instead get a PhD in Theology, something along those lines so perhaps his life direction was defined more and altered during his stay with us.

Saturn seems to provide support to venus around pushing them in the right direction or finding their way, helping them along their journey somehow, helping them get back on track in some way. That is the impression I am getting as the saturn person but once that support is provided you part ways.


you are describing exactly how i perceive the perspective of saturn. i have been the venus person and i have received the "fathering" side even if stern father, but father side. i have never felt i owed anything (exatly the opposite, i feel entittled)

from the venus person, they perceive they can rely somehow in the other person. and it feels good in certain way. sometimes the debt is minimal (such as helping with some information) but always it is the saturn person who feel the burden of responsibility. my experience being the venus and moon person.

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posted July 06, 2018 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two people I know have their Saturns in a tight square to their husbands Venuses and from what I have seen, the Saturn person sticks with the Venus thru thick and thin and they were the ones to have something to sacrifice in order to be with their loves. The Saturn person loved the Venus person unconditionally and put up with all the issues the Venus person put them trhu. The Saturn person was hurt in the process but kept on loving the Venus. Venus was fickle but relied on the Saturn person for resolving the issues. The Venus person tried to flee a few times but couldn't escape the tight grip of the Saturn person as the Saturn person was willing to work on any obstacles.

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posted July 06, 2018 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Orange

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posted July 12, 2018 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love this aspect. Given the right circumstances and if there are North Node connections, it can be incredibly romantic and binding. I have Venus conjunct my Sun/Moon MP, so even more so for me!

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posted July 12, 2018 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Beautiful_Light!

I agree that it can be quite binding, with the clients I have this, I adore them and feel a strong bond with them from the start and this sense of "I have your BACK."

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