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shaniajam
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posted June 21, 2018 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaniajam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He’s cap sun Taurus moon opposite Pluto in Scorpio

I’m Taurus sun, Taurus moon opposite Pluto

Double whammy moon/Pluto

I don’t think I fit the description of moon opposite Pluto as much anymore as I feel I have evolved. I’m unsure I’m the moon or not, though I must say I feel him a lot, a little obsessed and wanting to be with him constantly but fight it and act uninterested. I share my feelings way more and he is more stern, cold, yet he has helped me grow it’s like he brings out my dark side in a good way and it has been really great in my growth in a business sense. I feel manipulated at times. The push pull. Like he can turn on me at any moment, but then I don’t care (maybe cause I know that energy as it’s a double whammy) When I’m giving up he pops up... even though he’s cold I see through it... he also gets me to strip my soul (can’t explain it)... and I never do that with anyone. I get nervous around him like I want to submit but then I snap out of it. Like a struggle.

Any info on moon/Pluto men and if maybe I’m the moon? Also my mars coonjunct his Pluto and I want to rip his clothes off (we haven’t had sex and he refuses me but in a way to make me come back).

I have three places in Scorpio (mars, Saturn, Pluto) and he only has one (Pluto) why does he feel stronger than me? Or does he hide it better? Who’s the moon? And should I run?

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posted June 21, 2018 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaniajam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not that he’s stronger, I’ve suppressed it over the years... don’t want to be angry or revengeful any longer. I’m still passive aggressive though... yet he will find a way to get it out of me... no one can do that... he won’t stop till he does even subtly it’s weird.

He’s 31 and I’m 34... thanks.

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posted June 22, 2018 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shaniajam:
though I must say I feel him a lot, a little obsessed and wanting to be with him constantly but fight it and act uninterested. I share my feelings way more and he is more stern, cold, yet he has helped me grow it’s like he brings out my dark side in a good way and it has been really great in my growth in a business sense. I feel manipulated at times. The push pull. Like he can turn on me at any moment, but then I don’t care (maybe cause I know that energy as it’s a double whammy) When I’m giving up he pops up... even though he’s cold I see through it... he also gets me to strip my soul (can’t explain it)... and I never do that with anyone. I get nervous around him like I want to submit but then I snap out of it. Like a struggle.

I can relate with what you are saying, his MOON parallels exact my PLUTO and my Moon falls in his 8th. My moon trines his pluto too and his moon opposes my pluto by sign only and falls right on my IC.

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posted June 22, 2018 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel the "push and pull" its a manifestation of the death and rebirth cycle characteristic of pluto....

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posted June 22, 2018 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaniajam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I feel the "push and pull" its manifestation of the death and rebirth cycle characteristic of pluto in the context of relationships.

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posted June 22, 2018 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaniajam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I feel the "push and pull" its manifestation of the death and rebirth cycle characteristic of pluto in the context of relationships.

Yes omg like come here go away... he’ll say something for me to just give up and soon as I stop from sulking and feel like oh yeah I’m about to be free he does this come here again. I want to scream but I submit because it feels good when he’s close. Ugh

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posted June 22, 2018 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shaniajam:
Yes omg like come here go away... he’ll say something for me to just give up and soon as I stop from sulking and feel like oh yeah I’m about to be free he does this come here again. I want to scream but I submit because it feels good when he’s close. Ugh

hahahahaha

I get it. It does feel good.

I feel plutonic relationships play out the control/surrender dichotomy. Perhaps is because when you let go and surrender that is like a mini death, death of the ego, when you let go and surrender it gives you a high. The person in control gets a high too but a different type of high.

"Bottoms entered an altered state called “transient hypofrontality” (Dietrich, 2003), which is associated with reductions in pain, feelings of floating, feelings of peacefulness, feelings of living in the here and now and time distortions. Tops, in contrast, entered the altered state known as “flow” (Csikszentmihalyi, 1991), which is associated with focused attention, a loss of self-consciousness and optimal performance of a task."

Bottoms surrender, Tops are in control. My lover will say that the person who surrenders has more power bc they do it willingly. Maybe he feels that way because he has a hard time surrendering so he sees the ability and openness to surrender as powerful.

He makes me feel like am floating when we are intimate a lot LOL, I definitely get the high of surrendering. This is where it gets tricky and mindfulness needs to kick in bc this is why plutonic relationships are addictive and often lead to obsession (the reward system in the brain is been activated with the high you get from it). It sounds like you eventually snap out of the obsession haze and then he shows up to make you surrender again LMFAO, this is so plutonic. Its a dance of control and surrender, what drives this dance is the desire to transform (e.g.death and rebirth).

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posted June 22, 2018 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaniajam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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hahahahaha

I get it. It does feel good.

I feel plutonic relationships play out the control/surrender dichotomy. Perhaps is because when you let go and surrender that is like a mini death, death of the ego, when you let go and surrender it gives you a high. The person in control gets a high too but a different type of high.

"Bottoms entered an altered state called “transient hypofrontality” (Dietrich, 2003), which is associated with reductions in pain, feelings of floating, feelings of peacefulness, feelings of living in the here and now and time distortions. Tops, in contrast, entered the altered state known as “flow” (Csikszentmihalyi, 1991), which is associated with focused attention, a loss of self-consciousness and optimal performance of a task."

Bottoms surrender, Tops are in control. My lover will say that the person who surrenders has more power bc they do it willingly. Maybe he feels that way because he has a hard time surrendering so he sees the ability and openness to surrender as powerful.

He makes me feel like am floating when we are intimate a lot LOL, I definitely get the high of surrendering. This is where it gets tricky and mindfulness needs to kick in bc this is why plutonic relationships are addictive and often lead to obsession. It sounds like you eventually snap out of the obsession haze and then he shows up to make you surrender again LMFAO, this is so plutonic. Its a dance of control and surrender, what drives this dance is the desire to transform (e.g.death and rebirth).


Wow I love what I read! Yes it feels exactly like that! And from a bdsm side it’s exaclty like that when you give up the power even though you know you don’t have to... it’s like he knows I want him and I have to catch myself from drewling all over him omg lol. Multiple times he’s had the chance to just take me and it’s like he’s knows I want to so he waits and when I’m like who turns a woman down! I’m outta here... he does something like to remind me “you’re mine” but I’m really not or am i? This isn’t a relationship but it’s like an unspoken contract already made it’s crazy. Thanks for the clarity that was so dead on!!

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posted June 22, 2018 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shaniajam:
Wow I love what I read! Yes it feels exactly like that! And from a bdsm side it’s exaclty like that when you give up the power even though you know you don’t have to... it’s like he knows I want him and I have to catch myself from drewling all over him omg lol. Multiple times he’s had the chance to just take me and it’s like he’s knows I want to so he waits and when I’m like who turns a woman down! I’m outta here... he does something like to remind me “you’re mine” but I’m really not or am i? This isn’t a relationship but it’s like an unspoken contract already made it’s crazy. Thanks for the clarity that was so dead on!!

hahahah Handcuff his a*s!!! LOL

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posted June 22, 2018 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaniajam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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hahahah Handcuff his a*s!!! LOL

Lmaoooo... good idea

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posted June 23, 2018 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Lmaoooo... good idea

For Realzzz haha

And spank him just to see his reaction haha

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posted June 23, 2018 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaniajam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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For Realzzz haha

And spank him just to see his reaction haha


I’ve told him I want to break the touch barrier and to touch me and he’ll be like, we have to get work done or he doesn’t answer at all. But stares me down the whole time. So I feel rejected, sulk for a few days which I think he likes when I’m not posting and in my funk. then as soon as I’m all happy on the road, on my live, feeling good... boom I get a random text like, hey so and so (not really important lol). We do business together, but we are always alone... (and he purposefully gets us alone) and never wants to break the touch barrier... he allows me close enough to smell him though and I can flirt touch but soon as im like, I want you to (**** me, spank me, so and so).... he’ll just watch me until I give up begging... he never says “No” yet still around. Like enough already I’m gonna jump on you or leave me alone. I think he likes that I’m in agony over him. Drives me nuts lol.

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posted June 23, 2018 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaniajam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He’s pushed me away now after having an amazing time on Sunday (literally I had my clothes off wanting it) and he watched me squirm and just kept watching then was like I got a lot of editing to do I’ll let you know when I’m done with yours... like when I’m in his space he makes me feel great then apart it’s like go away until the next meeting it’s great again and he allows me to touch a little bit as soon as I beg he just watches me like he enjoys it. unless I’m too happy alone then the random text like “cool it” lol.

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posted June 23, 2018 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I’ve told him I want to break the touch barrier and to touch me and he’ll be like, we have to get work done or he doesn’t answer at all. But stares me down the whole time. So I feel rejected, sulk for a few days which I think he likes when I’m not posting and in my funk. then as soon as I’m all happy on the road, on my live, feeling good... boom I get a random text like, hey so and so (not really important lol). We do business together, but we are always alone... (and he purposefully gets us alone) and never wants to break the touch barrier... he allows me close enough to smell him though and I can flirt touch but soon as im like, I want you to (**** me, spank me, so and so).... he’ll just watch me until I give up begging... he never says “No” yet still around. Like enough already I’m gonna jump on you or leave me alone. I think he likes that I’m in agony over him. Drives me nuts lol.

Hahahaha, I like you. I can relate to you.

That is very Pluto too letting the desire build up, enjoying been teased. Now I am curious about his chart.

I can also relate to his fear of acting on the desire bc you work together. Maybe he is worried of risking losing his job if he gives in to it but loves feeling teased.

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posted June 23, 2018 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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He’s pushed me away now after having an amazing time on Sunday (literally I had my clothes off wanting it) and he watched me squirm and just kept watching then was like I got a lot of editing to do I’ll let you know when I’m done with yours... like when I’m in his space he makes me feel great then apart it’s like go away until the next meeting it’s great again and he allows me to touch a little bit as soon as I beg he just watches me like he enjoys it. unless I’m too happy alone then the random text like “cool it” lol.

I would lose patience with that though, I am sorry I need penetration, you can tease but you better penetrate lol. He is going to lose you, he is been stupi*.

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posted June 23, 2018 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaniajam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I agree it may be our jobs... yet when anyone try’s to make a pass he steps in... this last time he took over the conversation and finished the other persons work FIRST... so they can leave and it be me and him Smh... merry go round we go lol... and yes I can relate to you as well. Thank you for listening by the way I appreciate it.

I don’t know his birth time but here is his placement based on birthday:

Sun was in Capricorn at 18° 10'.
moon Moon in Taurus at 11° 38'.
mercury Mercury was in Capricorn at 15° 54'.
venus Venus in Sagittarius at 01° 30'.
mars Mars was in Aries at 00° 20'.
jupiter Jupiter in Pisces at 18° 50'.
saturn Saturn was in Sagittarius at 16° 15'.
uranus Uranus in Sagittarius at 24° 04'.
neptune Neptun was in Capricorn at 05° 59'.
pluto Pluto in Scorpio at 09° 38'

This is mine:

Sun in Taurus at 10° 48'.
moon Moon was in Taurus at 09° 00'.
mercury Mercury in Aries at 27° 08'.
venus Venus was in Aries at 28° 31'.
mars Mars in Scorpio at 24° 20'.
jupiter Jupiter was in Capricorn at 12° 58'.
saturn Saturn in Scorpio at 13° 16'.
uranus Uranus was in Sagittarius at 12° 47'.
neptune Neptun in Capricorn at 01° 13'.
pluto Pluto was in Scorpio at 00° 28'.

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posted June 23, 2018 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaniajam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 23, 2018 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problem is that Mars inconjunct Pluto you have, that is why he is not giving in. He is Mars, you are Pluto.

Watch this 5 minute video on this aspect in synastry: http://youtu.be/qadYtS9K5W8

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posted June 23, 2018 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You don't have mars conjunct pluto, the orb is too wide.

You do have your sun and moon conjunct his moon and opposite his pluto. You also have his Venus conjunct your Mars.

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posted June 23, 2018 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaniajam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The problem is that Mars inconjunct Pluto you have, that is why he is not giving in. He is Mars, you are Pluto.

Watch this 5 minute video on this aspect in synastry: http://youtu.be/qadYtS9K5W8


So are you saying I am the Pluto person? Or he is? And he knows he’ll have to give up too much so he’s hesitant? By the way so far he has been using the energy for good... so far everything he’s told me to do has worked on a business sense and now I feel I can’t walk because he has been really influential. I always feel like this might change though. I watched the video but confused when you said he won’t give in. He is the Pluto huh? Or is my energy stronger and he senses it? I feel he fears something but can’t quite figure it out. He also watches me, I know he does because of what he brings up when we are alone and I’m like who studies someone like that? I think about him constantly but I think he’s possessive.

One more thing... he tests me a lot (leave money to see if I’ll say something) and try’s to manipulate at times but I’m passing because I can “feel” it.

Sorry for the questions and I know it’s late we can pick up tomorrow. Thank you for this insight!

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posted June 23, 2018 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaniajam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You don't have mars conjunct pluto, the orb is too wide.

You do have your sun and moon conjunct his moon and opposite his pluto. You also have his Venus conjunct your Mars.


Thank you! This is great information I’ll research this... thank you very much for that. I could never read it lol... always get confused along the way.

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You don't have mars conjunct pluto, the orb is too wide.

You do have your sun and moon conjunct his moon and opposite his pluto. You also have his Venus conjunct your Mars.


Thank you! This is great information I’ll research this... thank you very much for that. I could never read it lol... always get confused along the way.

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posted June 23, 2018 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are pluto in Scorpio at 0 degrees and he has Mars in Aries at 0 degrees, your Pluto inconjuncts his Mars, this explains why he is hesitating, it's a tough aspect to have for him but not for you.

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posted June 23, 2018 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thank you! This is great information I’ll research this... thank you very much for that. I could never read it lol... always get confused along the way.

My pleasure, hope that video helps, she gives tips at the end.

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posted June 23, 2018 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaniajam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You are pluto in Scorpio at 0 degrees and he has Mars in Aries at 0 degrees, your Pluto inconjuncts his Mars, this explains why he is hesitating, it's a tough aspect to have for him but not for you.

Oh wow... now I get it. Holy crap, he doesn’t feel in his element and it’s no wonder why he’s been doing things as if hurt. The way I’m presenting myself is threatening him. He feels he has to “bow” somehow... and all I want to tell him is I want him to be in my space smh. Thank you so much I will watch the video again... you were awesome! Have a goodnight appreciate this a lot!

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