posted August 11, 2018 07:28 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Pluto has that effect on all of us, I mean the intense curiosity for understanding it, I don't find it creepy per say. Does having Pluto unaspected result in you attracting romantic partners that aspect your Pluto? Is that a pattern I mean?

But a plutonic relationship can be healthy and transformative if you are patient and work through the side effects...then you are left with a strong bond. The video covers more the shadow side of plutonic relationships so it helps you be more aware allowing you to work through it or move on if is very toxic, I feel she covers like the worse possible manifestation of Pluto themed relationships.

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Yes, I believe what you say and understand what you say. Although I also add that it's a trauma-bond, which my heavy Uranus is not keen on at all. I think it would take many lifetimes to grow accustomed to the energy and dynamics for me (as it's not a natural flow). Still, I have a Pluto, and I have had to integrate it, so I have learned a lot about it and continue to do so (why I'm interested in your Pluto journey!). But it doesn't come naturally like I say.

It's freaking transiting back and forward over my ascendant still and has played havoc in my life for the last many years and is seeming to promise to continue doing so.

Yeah.. to answer your question and it's something I've pondered over the years.. If someone has an aspected Pluto in their natal (which is likely), and aspects my Pluto (again likely, especially for my generation), I can sense their Pluto dynamic in their chart through aspecting my chart: through my Pluto tapping into their natal aspect dynamics.

I don't think this analysis is far off either as I have observed other people with unaspected planets, in particular the moon twice (super low odds of moon being unaspected btw). I see THAT same level of sensitivity in them when their moon "hooks" into someone else's chart.

Also, because I don't have any aspects in my chart, and additionally along with this that Pluto is such a massive outer personal force, I don't feel equipped to manage the power-plays or negotiations that come with the Pluto dance when mixing with other people. And I will admit too, that I have been blind sighted before because of this unawareness. I believe that I am easy pickings because of this not being aware: I just don't understand it so I don't see it. It's like being around people with another language: simply not equipped to talk their language.

Unaspected planets is a whole other thing that's fascinating

posted August 11, 2018 12:58 PM            

Like with my Ex Pluto rules our composite chart and conjuncts the composite Sun, Valentine and Mars all very tight in the 12th house with Jupiter conjunct AC, we also have Venus opposite moon in the 5th squaring our Neptune forming a tsquare and in Davison we have Moon conjunct Venus. My relationship with him was not abusive at all. The day after we broke up I had this super vivid dream of his bed with a bunch of Teddy bears. I think that dream symbolized the innocence and purity of our connection/love.

But in our case the composite chart ruler Pluto stellium speaks of an unbreakable bond/connection, my connection and love for him never died. We met 15 years ago but since this stellium is in the 12th house we periodically meet up in the astral world, add we have Endymion conjunct Selene and Psyche in the composite. But that relationship is both highly plutonic and neptunian, it does feel other wordly.

The guy I am seeing now, he is not abusive at all either and we have a plutonic Davison and Composite, in Davison Pluto is in the 5th opposite Venus completing a tsquare with Moon in the 8th which rules the chart. In composite Pluto conjuncts tight the 7th house ruler which is also the MC ruler, there is a stellium between Sun/Venus/Pluto with Venus at midpoint of Sun and Pluto and Pluto squares the Moon and trines Mars.

In both of these relationships that are highly plutonic sex was a very important part of the relationship which releases oxytocin which is the "love hormone" and bonds people.

posted August 11, 2018 01:53 PM            

conjunct his Pluto 5 Scorpio and his Proserpina 4 Scorpio,

opposite my Persephone / MC 7 Taurus.
Square my 26 Proserpina in 4 Leo.

his 26 Proserpina in 11 Cancer conjunct his DC, trines my 9 Scorpio Venus.

My Pluto opposes his Sun (0), sextile his moon (3), opp. Mercury (5), quincunx his Venus (1)

There is Venus Quintile Pluto (0) in the composite, Pluto conjunct Mars in Scorpio in the 1st, trine Sun and Moon and Mercury.

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We've had all the classic Pluto problems but it never turned outright abusive unlike all my other relationships. We kind of just grow out of unhealthy patterns together. I've felt restricted and 'morphed' into someone else by him, but it's also who I was meant to be, (my NN is conjunct my Venus but not conjunct his Pluto).
It's complicated...

A lot of that video resonates, but I also feel like periodically I awaken to unhealthy patterns and break out of them, get stronger, and then more unhealthy patterns develop, and we break out of them again and so on and so on. As long as you keep growing and moving forward, and you're better for it, I think it's ok.

posted August 11, 2018 02:37 PM            

I feel what you described is the ideal Plutonic relationship.